GUILTY WI - 12-Year-Old Girls Stab Friend 19 Times for Slenderman, Waukesha, 31 May 2014 #2

[al66pine]

I'm trying to sort out how, if at all, the two perps were influenced by Slenderman & related sites and communications the two had at those sites.

I can understand that a couple 12 y/o girls reading and chatting online could somehow be influenced or 'inspired' ---
--- to spontaneously carry out 'social infractions' e.g. prank calls, TP a house.
--- to spontaneously commit a lesser crime, e.g. shoplifting, or joyriding.
--- to plan and execute a lesser crime.
--- to plan and execute a series of lesser crimes.
--- to spontaneously commit assault & battery against a random stranger.
--- to plan and commit a series of A & B against a random stranger.
--- to plan and commit a series of A & B against an acquaintance.
--- to plan and commit a series of A & B against a classmate.
--- to plan and commit a series of A & B against a classmate-friend.

We do not know if these 2 girls did any of the above previously, with or without any internet influence.

I cannot imagine two 12 y/o's planning to violently murder a classmate-friend, plans they considered for months.

From LE's release of the two girls' statements, they admitted to---
---planning the death for months,
--- a violent death,
--- not just a random stranger, not an acquaintance, not a classmate-only,
--- a classmate with whom they socialized for months, perhaps actual friend,
then
--- nearly succeeded in executing the plan, w some improvisation,
---instructed victim w 19 stab wounds to stay where she was,
---told victim they would send help, but failed to do so,
then
--- both admitted the above to LE,
--- both blamed or said they were influenced by Slenderman sites.
---one (or both?) felt no remorse.

I can understand how would two 12 y/o's do this --- if they had been held captive at gunpoint.
Short of that or a similarly extreme external factor,
it's difficult to imagine what would influence them to plan a violent murder of their classmate-friend and nearly succeed in killing her.

JM2cts and I may be wrong.

 

[Spice]

As with everything,I believe the effect of social media can be just as positive as it can be negative and it depends on the individual.For some it really opens up the world to them.You can connect with anyone,anywhere and I'm sure it can teach compassion and empathy just by being exposed to of what is going on around the world .For others it sadly seems to blurr the lines of what is real and what is not IMO

I do think the effect of social media can be very powerful in both positive and negative ways for sure. I am talking about something different and specific.

I'm wondering about the psychosocial development of a generation of children that are literally RAISED on it, in comparison to previous generations that watched it evolve and grew up without it, knew a time before it, especially when it comes to developing relationships and social interaction.

It's different.

And they are truly the first to grow up this way. Facebook would have been invented when these two girls were two years old. Smart phones and tablets which also changed everything when they were around seven. Social media would be the norm by the time they came of age. And trust me kids know all about it before they are old enough to "use" it. It's just something to think about when thinking about human interaction, real life/fantasy, social development and social skills.

 

[BigCat]

The police officers were killed by a man,the mother suspects her daughter attacked her because of Slenderman.I think the media is grasping at straws,trying to link Slenderman to other crimes,when that really is not the case.Now,it doesn't surprise me at all if more girls than boys are drawn to Slenderman. He is such a mysterious,poetic,dark figure and I can see the romanticized thinking going on in young girls minds,just like the women that write to serial killers,Slenderman is the only one that understands me......

I have not read that the man, alone, shot the police officers; however, even if that is true, the woman still shot the 3rd victim, her husband and herself. I would still classify that as highly unusual.

Good observation on why females could be more attracted to Slenderman than males.

 

[Sonya610]

Now,it doesn't surprise me at all if more girls than boys are drawn to Slenderman. He is such a mysterious,poetic,dark figure and I can see the romanticized thinking going on in young girls minds,just like the women that write to serial killers,Slenderman is the only one that understands me......

Or the allure of "seductive vampires" or even the "soft rape themes" that are so popular in romance novels. IMO all have the same underlying attraction.

I think it does have it's roots in biology, the desire to breed with the alpha male is hardwired into many females and for a good reason -- survival of the species, choosing a mate that will produce strong viable offspring and/or be able to defend/provide them etc...

Now on the surface breeding with murders/serial killers may not be the most logical thing to do BUT instincts run deep and are complex.

 

[Gardenlady]

Ohh, evo-psych BS myths of how women want to mate with big strong alpha males, it turns out that in societies that are more egalitarian, most women don't rank the clichéd "alpha male" traits highest in their list of desired traits.

http://m.pss.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/08/29/0956797612441004.abstract





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[Sonya610]

Ohh, evo-psych BS myths of how women want to mate with big strong alpha males, it turns out that in societies that are more egalitarian, most women don't rank the clichéd "alpha male" traits highest in their list of desired traits.

Alpha male means different things depending on the society, very wealthy men have always been sought after as mates because that makes them "alpha" in their society and also implies they hopefully will offer protection and ample support for their offspring and wives/concubines.

Women are attracted to power whether it is financial or physical.

 

[Elley Mae]

Or the allure of "seductive vampires" or even the "soft rape themes" that are so popular in romance novels. IMO all have the same underlying attraction.

I think it does have it's roots in biology, the desire to breed with the alpha male is hardwired into many females and for a good reason -- survival of the species, choosing a mate that will produce strong viable offspring and/or be able to defend/provide them etc...

Now on the surface breeding with murders/serial killers may not be the most logical thing to do BUT instincts run deep and are complex.

I agree, and thought you may fine these articles of interest.

Wider-Faced Dates More Attractive as Short-Term Mates

http://www.psychologicalscience.org...ates-more-attractive-as-short-term-mates.html


Why men’s faces look the way they do

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...hy-mens-faces-look-the-way-they-do/?tid=hp_mm

 

[Gardenlady]

Alpha male means different things depending on the society, very wealthy men have always been sought after as mates because that makes them "alpha" in their society and also implies they hopefully will offer protection and ample support for their offspring and wives/concubines.

Women are attracted to power whether it is financial or physical.

Yes, and the study addresses that. The traits of the so-called "alpha male", not just the big strong archetype but the financially successful one as well. None of the traits listed highest as among what women look for in a partner - in more egalitarian societies anyway.

Do you have evidence of that last statement or is it just your opinion?

It'd be a lot more accurate to say "some women are attracted to power", which is Just as true as "some men are attracted to power".


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[Ausgirl]

But what’s interesting about the case, or at least the little we know about it so far, is not that it’s an example of a new and looming online threat. Rather, it appears to echo patterns of behavior—belief in culturally-supported fantasies, tightly-cathected bonds between young women, an intensity of connection that has occasionally led to violence—that have occurred repeatedly, in various forms, throughout history and around the world.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118005/slenderman-murders-show-youth-crime-isnt-exclusive-boys

 

[Ausgirl]

'Slender Man' Attack Victim Adjusting to 'New Normal'

The Wisconsin girl who was allegedly attacked by her classmates and left for dead is waking up in her own bedroom today, continuing to recover.

The girl, 12, is ecstatic to be in that room after finally leaving the hospital Friday, family friend and spokeswoman Dana Hoffmann says.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/slender-man-attack-victim-adjusting-normal/story?id=24053014

-- She went shoe shopping? Wow. incredible.

 

[Zuri]

'Slender Man' Attack Victim Adjusting to 'New Normal'

The Wisconsin girl who was allegedly attacked by her classmates and left for dead is waking up in her own bedroom today, continuing to recover.

The girl, 12, is ecstatic to be in that room after finally leaving the hospital Friday, family friend and spokeswoman Dana Hoffmann says.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/slender-man-attack-victim-adjusting-normal/story?id=24053014

-- She went shoe shopping? Wow. incredible.

This was very interesting. Thanks for posting this. The pic denotes the victim's first name. Not sure why ABC used that pic, but the video showed a residential street and a side road that were marked off. This young girl was so lucky to have a cyclist find her and that she was able to crawl to the street.

The family is raising money for medical bills and legal fees. Why would they need money for legal fees? That part of the piece confused me. TIA.

 

[LinasK]

She never said their was a cult angle. Just used it as an analogy to speak to how people can come to believe in the unbelievable, and yes kill themselves and others for it. It was completely on topic due to the nature of this case and the fact that two 12 year old girls have stated that tried to kill for Slenderman, to prove that they were worthy to him, and to prove to others that he was real. If you go on creepy pasta and read the commentary there, there is a person speaking as "slenderman" and there are posters who believe he is real and those that don't. The commenter posting as or for Slenderman definitely eggs believers on and this occurred before the actual crime was committed "in his name". This also happens on the "Official" Slenderman twitter account.

We are speaking to what may or may not have been going through the heads of AW and MG and how two children could have committed such a horrific crime in the name of a fictional character on the internet.

Adults do that for and in the name of God every single day around the world. That is what the analogy was speaking too.

Maybe, just maybe, for whatever reasons, they had convinced themselves that he was in fact real. However, that is not an excuse whatsoever for what they did to this poor victim.

I think you & Ausgirl just nailed it on the head- perhaps the reason the character seemed real to them is that someone was posting as him, therefore in their minds (magical thinking?) if "Slenderman" is posting, he is real. Either not realizing it's some troll or not wanting to believe he's not real.
I mean there's always been letters back from Santa and presents, but now we have actual real-time tweets!

 

[Spice]

I think you & Ausgirl just nailed it on the head- perhaps the reason the character seemed real to them is that someone was posting as him, therefore in their minds (magical thinking?) if "Slenderman" is posting, he is real. Either not realizing it's some troll or not wanting to believe he's not real.

It was all Ausgirl as far as the awesome analogy. I just said that her analogy was awesome and something I hadn't thought of.

 

[Spice]

Victim: " I wanted to Live"

Also, if you scroll down there is a nice condensed list of popular Internet trends popular with adolescents right now.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/sl...man-stabbing-victim-released-hospital-n125061

 

[tlcya]

This was very interesting. Thanks for posting this. The pic denotes the victim's first name. Not sure why ABC used that pic, but the video showed a residential street and a side road that were marked off. This young girl was so lucky to have a cyclist find her and that she was able to crawl to the street.

The family is raising money for medical bills and legal fees. Why would they need money for legal fees? That part of the piece confused me. TIA.

I am noticing more and more that families who are victims of crimes find themselves needing to hire attorneys to navigate the press, the publicity, the requests for interviews, to assist them in getting through the trial process, etc. I don't find it all that unusual anymore.

remember, the state who will prosecute the girls does not represent the victim. It represents the state. So I am noting lately in this world of heightened press coverage that families are more frequently hiring their own attorneys, whose role is to represent them solely and protect their interest. The state's interest is the state's.

MOO

 

[appleeye]

It truly sickens me that there are people out there that would consider mailing the victims in this case.

Sad, sad story.

 

[Spice]

This article in The New York Times sheds more light on the dynamic of these three girls, stating things that I have not read in other articles. Just like we speculated, one (the birthday girl) which is MG was not close to the victim. It is stated that AW and the victim were extremely close. As we know, MG did the actual stabbing and and although AW introduced MG to Slenderman, MG was the one that had the idea to kill so that they could become proxies.

Very interesting.

If there were motives beyond an Internet character, some classmates suggested that the three girls were not equally friends. The birthday girl and the victim had been close for years and ate lunch together almost every day, schoolmates said, while the third girl had not been as close to the victim.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/08/u...s-to-cope-with-slender-man-stabbing.html?_r=0

 

[Spice]

This article in The New York Times sheds some light on the dynamic of these three girls, stating things that I have not read in other articles. Just like we speculated three may have been a bad number once again. One (the birthday girl) which is MG was very close to the victim. It is stated that AW and the victim were not close. As we know, MG did the actual stabbing and and although AW introduced MG to Slenderman, MG was the one that had the idea to kill so that they could become proxies.

Very interesting.

The "third girl" is AW and there is another paragraph about the dynamic.

If there were motives beyond an Internet character, some classmates suggested that the three girls were not equally friends. The birthday girl and the victim had been close for years and ate lunch together almost every day, schoolmates said, while the third girl had not been as close to the victim.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/08/u...s-to-cope-with-slender-man-stabbing.html?_r=0

 

[tlcya]

A triad of friends is usually a recipe for disaster. Especially with females and especially teen or preteen girls.

No supportive link. Simply 30 years of parenting life experience.

ETA by recipe for disaster I do not refer to murder or attempted murder. I simply mean that three female friends almost always experience a power play over who is the top of the triad and jealousy comes to the forefront more times than not. Again just IME.

 

[Elley Mae]

Thanks for the Link,Spice

From the link.
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The birthday girl and the victim had been close for years and ate lunch together almost every day, schoolmates said, while the third girl had not been as close to the victim.

While four schoolmates who were interviewed described the birthday girl as somewhat “odd” — sometimes drawing spooky figures and appearing aloof — they said the victim and the third girl seemed utterly ordinary, fun-loving and popular. One of the accused girls was in Flight Academy, an independent learning program in the school. The other accused girl was a soprano in the choir, while the victim was an alto who took French class and volunteered at the local humane society for animals.