GUILTY WI - 12-Year-Old Girls Stab Friend 19 Times for Slenderman, Waukesha, 31 May 2014 #2

[Ausgirl]

So either one or both were told that or they were taking a stab at helping add to the Mythos and wanted to become famous for having done so.

Or Slenderman has nothing to do with it other than he is a convenient excuse by two clever psychopaths.

I am still :fence: about much of this case.

The only reference to a mansion I've found is the *game* 'Mansion' which features Slenderman. But yeah, it's a video game.

And me, too. If they were a little older, if there was not much trolling and reality-affirming going on on those sites, I'd be calling 'BS' 100% for sure.

Just can't ignore that factor, though. Particularly seeing as the trolls have 'reached out' to the families and in a very sick, sociopathic way.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

So those people posting back in thread #1 regarding the negative dynamics of *three* were spot on, good call there. It certainly seems to be in play in this case.

It's amazing how quickly super-duper friendship can turn to bitter enmity in -adults- let alone kids. In that age group, it can happen over a difference in opinion on hair styles.

It makes me re-think my perception of AW as the more passive element in the duo somehow.

Yeah, I don't see it that way either, she just threw MG under the bus more in her statement to police, which may actually make her worse in a way.

 

[tlcya]

are these things that were on the web before the attack? Because if so I would love the chance to see the origin especially if it may relate to why the girls's view of slender seems so different from most who are discussing this fiction.

 

[Ausgirl]

It's been standard for people to post that Slenderman is real and not fictional for years, because the story is meant to be immersive, an "alternate reality experience". Like how you aren't supposed to wear wristwatches at historical re-enactments.

From what I can see, the people posting *as* Slenderman have been at it for a while, as well.

I'm very interested to see where the specifics of their story appear in forums or in the canon anywhere.

 

[tlcya]

I was aware of the game but that is simply one idealization of slenderman among thousands. A mansion is pretty general. The Nicolet Forest is pretty specific.

Killing people to become a proxy and that being a DESIRABLE thing, seeking splenderman out, those are very specific things that are not what I am accustomed to seeing people express a desire for when discussing this fictional character.

So if there is any evidence that leads to where specifically these girls came up with these ideas outside their own imaginations I think it would be important to know about and maybe even share with LE

 

[blue22]

Nowhere is it found, despite my somewhat prodigious ability to trawl through untold tons of crappy writing, that Slenderman lives in a forest in Wisconsin.

Nor is he generally regarded as needing 'sacrifices', he is not seen as a 'deity' but rather a mysterious force that comes and goes as it likes, quite unconcerned with how people feel about it.

Yet, there's people posting as 'Slenderman' in the comments and handing out directives, and the letters sent to the families by the 4chan trolls seem to be referring to a 'cult' which isn't actually canonical.

I'll not at all be surprised if there's been some 'encouragement' from some of these nasty little cowards on 4chan, or people like them. Whether that might be just an added factor to an already disintegrating friendship and whatever else.

Someone used the term 'perfect storm' back there somewhere... I think that's a good term to use in this case.

I'm sorry, I did not mean the woods in Wisconsin specifically. I have read over and over, that slenderman lives in the woods and manipulates children's brains to walk into his arms. I was meaning that it's common knowledge that he lives in the woods.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Here's a bit on the proxy : http://theslenderman.wikia.com/wiki/Proxy

It is suspected that Proxies do the actual, physical work for Slender Man, such as creating and manipulating objects, destroying and leaving evidence, creating videos and responding on Twitter, and influencing victims as needed.

The Collective is a mysterious, hivemind-like group of entities. Each member has been converted into a powerful Proxy by the Slender Man. http://theslenderman.wikia.com/wiki/Collective

.. and on and on .. as far as Nicolet Forrest goes, I haven't seen anything and have been looking ..

 

[NancyA]

It's been standard for people to post that Slenderman is real and not fictional for years, because the story is meant to be immersive, an "alternate reality experience". Like how you aren't supposed to wear wristwatches at historical re-enactments.

From what I can see, the people posting *as* Slenderman have been at it for a while, as well.

I'm very interested to see where the specifics of their story appear in forums or in the canon anywhere.

It's an interesting theory but I sincerely doubt that this pair were coached, groomed or otherwise encouraged to attempt to murder their friend (or indeed anyone else) by a specific shadowy someone posing as Slenderman during their online forays into Slendy world. Realistically LE and the prosecution attorneys will have had forensic computer experts ALL over their computers and other personal electronic devices by now and if there were any hint of that kind of instigation/collaboration/conspiracy we’d have heard something because those girls are in no way sophisticated enough to hide their electronic footsteps from the kind of scrutiny I’m sure they are being subjected to.

It may be a nice red herring for the defense to throw out there of course…and I’m sure they will. Seems to me from what little reading I’ve done thus far that the ‘beauty’ of the Slenderman mythos is that it’s somewhat of a free for all in that everyone gets to add their own little spin or quirk to the legend, if there’s a mansion in the game then it’s not much of a stretch to assume that someone somewhere has incorporated it into one of the creepy pasta.

 

[Ausgirl]

Here's a bit on the proxy : http://theslenderman.wikia.com/wiki/Proxy

It is suspected that Proxies do the actual, physical work for Slender Man, such as creating and manipulating objects, destroying and leaving evidence, creating videos and responding on Twitter, and influencing victims as needed.

The Collective is a mysterious, hivemind-like group of entities. Each member has been converted into a powerful Proxy by the Slender Man. http://theslenderman.wikia.com/wiki/Collective

.. and on and on .. as far as Nicolet Forrest goes, I haven't seen anything and have been looking ..

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The bold part is interesting.

If there *was* any evidence of people telling young kids to kill people so they can become 'powerful' proxies, I can bet you it's vanished super fast, like all the posts on 4chan calling for people to troll the families with messages from a fictional 'cult'.

This is kind of OT and not meant as any kind of comparison, but I know a writer who puts years of effort into damaging people.

Every female writer he hooks up with eventually quits writing, some become suicidal. I have seen him boast about this being -his- fault. Every project he's on folds into chaos before it's finished. Every single one. I have likened him a deranged child pulling the wings off insects and enjoying the results.

Point being, some sociopaths are more than happy to spend months 'setting up' their victims, for no purpose other than enjoyment of the process.

 

[Ausgirl]

I'm not sure we'd have heard anything - if that was a line of police enquiry at all (and I would hope it was) I doubt they'd be announcing it at this stage.

I keep saying, I am not glued to this idea - but in my mind it's not at all unfeasible. It's not like people who'd do such a thing are not present at these sites.

I'm hoping to hear news that they've tracked down the letter-writers, at least.

 

[Spice]

4 chan is the worst thing that ever happened to the internet. Pretty much the entire thing is built around bullying and trolling.

 

[Ausgirl]

Seems to me from what little reading I’ve done thus far that the ‘beauty’ of the Slenderman mythos is that it’s somewhat of a free for all in that everyone gets to add their own little spin or quirk to the legend, if there’s a mansion in the game then it’s not much of a stretch to assume that someone somewhere has incorporated it into one of the creepy pasta.

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And that's a very good point.

 

[Ausgirl]

4 chan is the worst thing that ever happened to the internet. Pretty much the entire thing is built around bullying and trolling.

I've got mixed views. I've adult-now friends who 'grew up' on the chan sites, and are really decent people. Their views on 4chan helped me to see it all a little differently. One proposes that it's a natural foil to the increasingly oppressive and humourless atmosphere of political correctness, an outlet for 'incorrect' opinions (often simply blunt and non-sympathetic of blatant stupidity) and views. Not everyone there is like that, and certainly the truly vicious element is pretty small and owns its own corner of the site. But its tolerated, as how can they stand for freedom of speech and NOT tolerate it?

Anyway. Yes, the bullies and trolls there are pretty spectacular though. I think it's one thing to stand for freedom of speech, another thing to make it "cool" to actively cause people enormous distress and even harm.

 

[NancyA]

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And that's a very good point.

Thank you. Another thought occurs to me re the Mansion and the girls' rather specific reference to that one particular mansion in their local state park. If, as is not unlikely, that particular mansion is THE only mansion in their frame of reference ie the only mansion they know as a notable landmark it makes sense that to them any mansion reference would become by association 'their' mansion.

 

[tlcya]

I will need to go looking back in teh first thread as I am sure I read in one of the initial articles that there is no mansion located in the nicolet forest. Otherwise that would make total sense.

 

[NancyA]

I will need to go looking back in teh first thread as I am sure I read in one of the initial articles that there is no mansion located in the nicolet forest. Otherwise that would make total sense.

Damn, foiled again. Back to the drawing board, lol.

Or maybe....maybe I'm not that far off, maybe it's the forest itself ie the only forest that they know is the Nicolet Forest and therefore a 'mansion in the forest' would mean to them that the mansion is in the Nicolet Forest...or maybe not.

 

[bt208]

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This is kind of OT and not meant as any kind of comparison, but I know a writer who puts years of effort into damaging people.

Every female writer he hooks up with eventually quits writing, some become suicidal. I have seen him boast about this being -his- fault. Every project he's on folds into chaos before it's finished. Every single one. I have likened him a deranged child pulling the wings off insects and enjoying the results.

Point being, some sociopaths are more than happy to spend months 'setting up' their victims, for no purpose other than enjoyment of the process.

Being a writer, this fascinates and horrifies me!

 

[tlcya]

Damn, foiled again. Back to the drawing board, lol.

Or maybe....maybe I'm not that far off, maybe it's the forest itself ie the only forest that they know is the Nicolet Forest and therefore a 'mansion in the forest' would mean to them that the mansion is in the Nicolet Forest...or maybe not.

now that may well be it. The nearest big dark spooky forest would logically contain the mansion where the spooky guy lives.

 

[Ausgirl]

One thing I have found all over the net is a lot of fan-fiction from the tweeny age group regarding "Slendy's mansion" (I assume this is from the game) and how all the "creepypastas" (Slenderman, Jeff the Killer, Smile Dog other unrelated creepypasta monsters) live there together.

Quite a few of them include a human protagonist who -wants- to join this crowd of killers, and having killed people themselves is a bonus toward that end.

So that might be a part of it. It certainly matches the age group.

Lots of chat-rp surrounding this.

 

[claudicici]

Alpha male means different things depending on the society, very wealthy men have always been sought after as mates because that makes them "alpha" in their society and also implies they hopefully will offer protection and ample support for their offspring and wives/concubines.

Women are attracted to power whether it is financial or physical.

IMO Slenderman is more like the opposite of the Alpha Male.He is "Slender" not of muscular built,he wears an old fashioned suit and he has no face.I think the attraction woman have to that particular type and what may have attracted the girls is that they feel misunderstood themselves,so they are drawn to someone as equally alone.I think it's the feeling of being special,the only one that would be able to connect to this individual IMO....