GUILTY WI - 12-Year-Old Girls Stab Friend 19 Times for Slenderman, Waukesha, 31 May 2014 #2

[blue22]

Pretty desperate, isn't it. "Coercion" tho?? Coerced... by WHOM? is my next question. Her fellow accused? The internet?

Does anyone believe that either of these girls -actually- believed their families would die? I don't. I think MG might've had some blurry lines where reality is concerned, but not to that extent. And AW was along for the ride, with her new bff she 'won' by making sure the old bff was out of the picture.

I happen to think that you don't need to be delusional to be severely mentally ill. I think MG probably is, quite a bit moreso than AW - but AW's actions were not that of a healthy individual either. Though I wonder if her sickness is emotional, rather than mental.

And before anyone accuses -me- of "making excuses" for these kids (like anybody here has been, sheesh) - even if they get 25 years, they'll be out in time to have a life and a family and many years of freedom ahead. No matter what sentence they get, I hope they're treated like the sick children they actually are, so hopefully when they get out they're not a threat to anyone else.

This was the part that I thought was silly. "An attorney for one of two Wisconsin girls accused of repeatedly stabbing a classmate and leaving her for dead has argued that the charge against her should be dismissed because she believed a fictional horror character called Slender Man would kill her family if they didn't attack their friend — a belief he said amounted to coercion."

I think in very young juveniles, which I do consider them to be...coercion from another person is a fine point if it's there. A mentally unstable young person can be deeply coerced by someone manipulated and terrifying them. I don't know if it's at play here, but the defense would be horrible if they didn't at least bring it up. Now, being coerced by a boogeyman she believed in. That sets a precedent that I don't like. And it's just not really provable, IMO.

 

[blefuscu]

I don't like the argument of "coercion by Slenderman" but I'm interested in how psychologically unwell MG is. I believe she's severely mentally unwell and could have suffered from delusions that Slenderman was real and wanted her to kill, however that's way different from coercion.

 

[LinasK]

Pretty desperate, isn't it. "Coercion" tho?? Coerced... by WHOM? is my next question. Her fellow accused? The internet?

Does anyone believe that either of these girls -actually- believed their families would die? I don't. I think MG might've had some blurry lines where reality is concerned, but not to that extent. And AW was along for the ride, with her new bff she 'won' by making sure the old bff was out of the picture.

I happen to think that you don't need to be delusional to be severely mentally ill. I think MG probably is, quite a bit moreso than AW - but AW's actions were not that of a healthy individual either. Though I wonder if her sickness is emotional, rather than mental.

And before anyone accuses -me- of "making excuses" for these kids (like anybody here has been, sheesh) - even if they get 25 years, they'll be out in time to have a life and a family and many years of freedom ahead. No matter what sentence they get, I hope they're treated like the sick children they actually are, so hopefully when they get out they're not a threat to anyone else.

Exactly. I don't see how this can possibly fly. Coercion involves a direct, proven threat. She had a choice to believe or not believe in this madeup character. There was NO coercion involved in her believing in him, nor did the creator of this character coerce her in any way. If so, she might have had a case. This argument is just laughable...
These girls are just evil to attempt to kill a living "friend". They just needed a reason, even a pretend one. If it wasn't Slenderman, it would have been something else.
And I'd still like to know where their parents were when all this was going on.

 

[angelainwi]

Something going on in this case today, let me see if I can find it

 

[angelainwi]

Info from tweets

Slenderman hearing. Judge will decide if girls tried as adults or children.

Geyser and Weier both led in in handcuffs, wearing street clothes we've seen them in before. Waiting on Judge Bohren now

Geyser's attorney says the girl is a diagnosed schizophrenic. Belief in Slenderman is "unyielding"

Geyser's attorney: state has never rebutted his client's belief Slenderman would harm her family if she didn't stab her friend.

Judge Bohren: Girls' interviews show they had two motives for stabbing: protect family AND prove slenderman exists.

Weier's attorney: state's duty is not to prove has ANY crime been committed, but rather just the specific charge. Says state hasn't done so

Weier's attorney: girls were "melting down" from a very real fear of Slenderman

Weier's attorney : you can fear AND seek favor of Slenderman. Doesn't mean girls had two separate motivations.

Judge: I am prepared to rule today. Now taking court through how we got to this point.

 

[angelainwi]

Judge: biggest difference between 1st and 2nd deg homicide is needing to prove intent to kill. In second, state concedes it can't prove it

 

[angelainwi]

Judge Bohren: covering past state Supreme Court cases with similar arguments about what charge to prosecute homicide/attempt. hom. with

 

[angelainwi]

Judge: Each believed in Slenderman. Each believed they needed to earn protection. Each believed they would prove Slenderman existed.

Judge: concerned there are 4 reasons geyser and Weier may have attempted homicide. Could be any of 4.

 

[angelainwi]

Judge will now set date for hearing to determine whether #Slenderman stabbing suspects should be prosecuted in adult or juvenile court.

 

[angelainwi]

Judge in #Slenderman stabbing case orders suspects to stand trial for attempted homicide. Defense can later move to shift case to juvy court

Ruling means Slenderman suspects will be prosecuted as adults unless their lawyers succeed at hearings in May to transfer case to juvy court

 

[angelainwi]

Wisconsin judge orders 2 girls to stand trial as adults in Slender Man stabbing of friend.

 

[angelainwi]

I don't believe this is right... they are kids and while they commited a horrible crime, they did so as kids. Why the hell do they have a juvenile court system if they are going to waive children into adult court?

 

[Softail]

Judge rules whether Slender Man girls will face first-degree charges

Cases will proceed, for now, in adult court

WAUKESHA, Wis. —A judge has decided whether two girls accused of stabbing a classmate will face first-degree charges.

Attorneys for Anissa Weier, 13, and Morgan Geyser, 12, said the defendants don't belong in adult court and that charges of attempted first-degree intentional homicide should be dismissed. That move would have sent the case back to juvenile court.

Waukesha County Circuit Judge Michael Bohren ruled Friday that the girls' cases will proceed for now on the first-degree charges.

http://www.wisn.com/news/judge-rules-whether-slender-man-case-will-continue-in-adult-court/31775616

 

[LinasK]

Judge rules whether Slender Man girls will face first-degree charges

Cases will proceed, for now, in adult court

WAUKESHA, Wis. —A judge has decided whether two girls accused of stabbing a classmate will face first-degree charges.

Attorneys for Anissa Weier, 13, and Morgan Geyser, 12, said the defendants don't belong in adult court and that charges of attempted first-degree intentional homicide should be dismissed. That move would have sent the case back to juvenile court.

Waukesha County Circuit Judge Michael Bohren ruled Friday that the girls' cases will proceed for now on the first-degree charges.

http://www.wisn.com/news/judge-rules-whether-slender-man-case-will-continue-in-adult-court/31775616

Does this mean they are tried as adults?

 

[angelainwi]

Unfortunately, yes.

 

[Madeleine74]

IMO that is wrong to try them as adults. My goodness how many times just on WS I've read about some 16 to 20 yr old victim, with posters writing, "oh that poor poor baby." Society infantilizes victims but then ironically escalates the killer(s) of similar ages to adulthood. 12 yr olds do not possess the same reasoning abilities as adults. There's a reason the law drew a line in the sand and made 18 the age of legal adulthood.

 

[Softail]

If you haven't seen the police interrogation videos, most are at this link on the left side of the page:

http://www.wisn.com/news/judge-rules-whether-slender-man-case-will-continue-in-adult-court/31775616

 

[Madeleine74]

You've got 2 girls (12 yrs old) who actually believed a fantasy character made up on the Interwebs, a guy who was 7 ft+ tall and skinny, with no face, was real. And they thought this fantasy character was so real they needed to do something to 'impress' him and then they actually thought this fantasy character lived in a mansion in the woods and they were walking to go find him and his mansion.

If that was someone over the age of 18 they'd be thought of as crazy. And someone 12 years old? Certainly not the mature brain that knows real from not real. Maybe not crazy at that age, but would you consider a 12 yr old who can't distinguish real from fantasy an adult?

So what does one do with a child (children) who are clearly not adults but have done something evil, something that would get an adult convicted and sent to prison for decades? Life in prison? I'm not comfortable with that. But locked away for the next 10 to 15 years in a facility that can try and treat them to see if they could ever be able to live in free society? Yes, that would be more appropriate. And if they can't be treated and are a danger to society, then stay locked up.

 

[cinsbythesea]

Wow...being tried as adults. I have to wonder if there was maybe something in their psychological testing that would have them decide to try these girls as adults? The fact that they adolescents who apparently so wholly believed in an Internet myth and attempting to please him would seem to lean against trying them as adults. Gotta wonder what's behind this decision...

 

[Ausgirl]

Gotta wonder what's behind this decision...

Pitchforks?

Though if they're genuinely likely to get auto-released at 18 with a sealed record, that could be a consideration, seeing as it was a damn serious and heinous crime. That would be understandable, if the state thinks they deserve more jail time than that for it.

If not, my call is: pitchforks.

Maybe the laws regarding sentencing for minors in the case of violent and intentional murder/attempted murder need some revising.