GUILTY WI - 12-Year-Old Girls Stab Friend 19 Times for Slenderman, Waukesha, 31 May 2014 #2

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Psychiatrist: Girl in Slender Man case needs mental intervention

Waukesha — Morgan Geyser's rare, early-onset schizophrenia will certainly worsen, and intervention is the best way to at least mitigate the symptoms, a psychiatrist testified Thursday, but so far, she hasn't received any treatment for the disease.

The testimony came during the second day of a hearing on whether the 13-year-old should be transferred to juvenile court in the Slender Man stabbing case. On Wednesday, testimony revealed that Geyser's father was also treated for schizophrenia as an adolescent.

Kenneth Robbins, who had evaluated Geyser soon after her May 31, 2014, arrest and again this month, said her delusions and hallucinations seem to be getting more severe. Though diagnosed last year with schizophrenia, she has told numerous professionals she does not want medication because it might make her "friends" — fictional characters from Harry Potter and Slender Man — disappear.

Robbins detailed how if Geyser were ordered to take medications, she might begin to later understand — through other psychiatric treatment like talk therapy and skills training — that she's better off without the symptoms she now suffers.

He said Geyser's high intelligence might help her in treatment. But for now, she doesn't want to believe she's ill, Robbins said. He repeatedly said he doesn't believe she is "malingering," or faking her conditions, because her behavior has been consistent over more than a year.

He said there is no chance her disease will ever disappear, and she will begin losing her interests and executive functioning skills. He said he thinks Geyser would qualify for an insanity defense because he believes she was acting under the delusion that Slender Man would harm her or her family if she didn't kill sixth-grade classmate Payton Leutner.

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Moving the case to juvenile court would mean the girls would spend no more than three more years in custody and would get more intense supervision and services when released back to the community. As adults, they could be sentenced to up to 45 years in prison.

Either way, the girls would go to Copper Lake, a girls juvenile prison, until age 18. But attorneys for Geyser note that even if she were then released on extended supervision within the adult corrections system, she would be subject to revocation — and incarceration at the state's women's prison — if she failed to follow rules of supervision.

Robbins testified that in prison, schizophrenics may get medications but rarely an adequate level of other needed treatment. The disease slowly destroys the brain and makes following rules more challenging. In prison, he said, rules violations are not seen as medical episodes but instead are often sanctioned with solitary confinement, which he said worsens mental illness, causing a downward spiral.

Because Geyser's disease is permanent, prosecutors seem to reason she can never be safely defused, so to speak. If she tried to kill at Slender Man's direction once, they suggest, she might follow what she believes is a future order.

Waukesha County Circuit Judge Michael Bohren held the same so-called reverse waiver hearing last month, for Anissa Weier. He said he would defer a decision in both cases until Aug. 10.

more at link http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/...ental-intervention-b99521671z1-308201371.html
 
  • #502
An ill person needs treatment, whether mentally or physically.
 
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I think charging a 12 yr old as an adult is simply wrong. There's a reason the law makes a distinction based on age. And, on top of that, if she is truly mentally ill and was so at the time of the crime, then she can't be guilty of all the elements of the crime. She needs hospitalization and treatment, perhaps for decades or possibly even for the rest of her life. Society needs to be kept safe from her, but the insane or mentally ill need the proper care too.
 
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Why no help for schizophrenic girl in Slender Man stabbing?

"Morgan Geyser spends her days in near isolation at the Washington County Juvenile Detention Center in West Bend, eating under a table, feeding ants and watching The Weather Channel for hours, without medication or therapy."

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/...ender-man-stabbing-b99527566z1-311614861.html

From the above article: Cotton, Geyser's attorney, said at this point, the next step could be an effort — separate from the question of adult vs. juvenile court — to have her committed to a psychiatric hospital through a civil procedure, in which a judge could order she be medicated without her consent.

I don't see why this hasn't been done already. Why does a "mentally ill" 13-year-old girl get to decide whether she takes her meds or not? Especially when everyone is saying she will get worse without treatment???
 
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From the above article: Cotton, Geyser's attorney, said at this point, the next step could be an effort — separate from the question of adult vs. juvenile court — to have her committed to a psychiatric hospital through a civil procedure, in which a judge could order she be medicated without her consent.

I don't see why this hasn't been done already. Why does a "mentally ill" 13-year-old girl get to decide whether she takes her meds or not? Especially when everyone is saying she will get worse without treatment???

It makes no sense. If she broke her leg they wouldn't hesitate to do something. It sounds like she is needlessly suffering without treatment.
 
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What a cluster*@*#!
 
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This newest story moved me to tears. As someone who has experienced psychosis treatment is necessary. While Morgan may not want medication what the state is doing is akin to torture. Morgan will get sicker and sicker the longer she goes without treatment. The adult corrections system is NOT the place for a mentally ill child.
 
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Amen to that. It's obvious she needs lifelong treatment. I'm so glad the victim didn't die. Sad all the way around.
jmho
 
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A Wisconsin judge says two girls accused of stabbing a classmate to please the horror character Slender Man will stay in adult court, where they could face decades in prison.

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Attorneys for one girl maintain she is an emerging schizophrenic who even now still carries on conversations with Harry Potter characters. If she goes to an adult prison, they say, she won't get the therapy she needs and her symptoms will worsen.



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Can she be medicated against her will? I think she's refused to take any meds prescribed, right? She's not an adult and IMO shouldn't be tried as an adult, but there's no other way to make sure someone that disturbed and potentially dangerous stays locked up past 25 unless they are tried as an adult. The laws need to be changed to deal with minor offenders who require institutionalization/incarceration beyond the limit of 21 or 25 (forget which it is).
 
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Can she be medicated against her will? I think she's refused to take any meds prescribed, right? She's not an adult and IMO shouldn't be tried as an adult, but there's no other way to make sure someone that disturbed and potentially dangerous stays locked up past 25 unless they are tried as an adult. The laws need to be changed to deal with minor offenders who require institutionalization/incarceration beyond the limit of 21 or 25 (forget which it is).

Of course they can. The parents could give permission. They can apply to court.
 
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Of course they can. The parents could give permission. They can apply to court.

Why haven't they? It is wrong to keep her un-medicated. Is she seeing a psychiatrist regularly? Man, mental illness is a bii....
 
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Well then that's cruel if the parents could be helping her by allowing her to be properly medicated and aren't. I don't know if that's the case though. Serious mental illness does not resolve without proper care. Maybe resolve isn't the right word. With something like schizophrenia is about ongoing management. Getting on the right meds, at the right doses, being monitored, and managed.
 
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I USUALLY agree that a killer should be tried as an adult. Usually it is 14 or 15 yr olds doing armed robberies or killing a parent or doing a sex crime.

But in this case, I think they should be tried as children. Even the motive is totally child like and immature, a total fantasy. I think they should be treated, hospitalized, incarcerated and given a chance to mature. UNLIKE the 15 yr old that killed little Maddy.
 
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Well then that's cruel if the parents could be helping her by allowing her to be properly medicated and aren't. I don't know if that's the case though. Serious mental illness does not resolve without proper care. Maybe resolve isn't the right word. With something like schizophrenia is about ongoing management. Getting on the right meds, at the right doses, being monitored, and managed.

I'm with you. EVERYONE seems to just not give a dunnnnn about her mental health. She will NEVER get better without treatment. She will NOT be able to assist in her defense, hence giving ample room for an appeal. Perhaps that is the family's [pretty stupid] 'strategy'? I haz confuzionz.
 
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