WI - Children's hospital on lockdown after report of shooting

[STEADFAST]

Woah! I am not saying LE should have done NOTHING I am saying LE should have waited to confront when he was OUTSIDE of the hospital (unless he was actually threatening people).

If he carries a firearm all the time (and he probably does) and he is a career criminal he likely didn't THINK about it! He was thinking about visiting his baby etc.... He wasn't thinking "Gosh I am carrying a gun and even though I break the law everyday and have outstanding warrants I should NOT take this gun into a hospital".

I am not the slightest bit sympathetic towards this criminal BUT that does not mean I would want LE confronting him and provoking him around my loved ones when he is not threatening anyone! Take the confrontation OUTSIDE and deal with it in the parking lot! Don't provoke aggression INSIDE A HOSPITAL with paper thin walls and babies and elderly people, don't corner a crazy criminal and possibly provoke them to start shooting OR taking hostages!

So, if he had started shooting people in the hospital, you would have been fine if LE had said, "We knew he was up there with a gun, but we figured that, as an habitual criminal, he was less likely than others to shoot anyone. We sure hoped this 'crazy criminal' didn't have any ongoing domestic dispute going on."
As it actually went down, others were not hurt or taken hostage. We still don't know if he would have killed anyone up there if LE hadn't intervened. Emotions run high in hospital settings.

 

[Justiceforever]

"Sheriff David Clarke said he felt it put his own deputies at risk.

Clarke sent a statement to 12 News Saturday in which he called out the police department for not alerting his office early enough about Thursday's incident with an armed man with a felony warrant at the hospital.

Clarke argued police rushed to the call before contacting deputies who were already at the hospital."

Read more: http://www.wisn.com/news/south-east...23013748/-/p2m06gz/-/index.html#ixzz2l0fclQJM
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[RLynne]

"Sheriff David Clarke said he felt it put his own deputies at risk.

Clarke sent a statement to 12 News Saturday in which he called out the police department for not alerting his office early enough about Thursday's incident with an armed man with a felony warrant at the hospital.

Clarke argued police rushed to the call before contacting deputies who were already at the hospital."

Read more: http://www.wisn.com/news/south-east...23013748/-/p2m06gz/-/index.html#ixzz2l0fclQJM
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For those not local, I think it's important to note that Sheriff Clarke is a somewhat controversial figure who's known to feud with a number of Milwaukee politicians/officials, including Chief Flynn. I'd take anything Clarke says about the MPD with a grain of salt.

 

[Justiceforever]

Ashanti Dickerson-Hendricks was charged with 2 counts of bail jumping felon, repeater, Possession of a firearm by a felon repeater and Obstructing/resisting an officer repeater.


Interesting (at least to me) to note that there are no charges of reckless endangerment with a weapon or whatever it's called that would indicate he was a threat to anybody in the hospital besides perhaps the officer that he allegedly drew upon.

http://media.jrn.com/documents/Ashanti+Hendricks+criminal+complaint.pdf

 

[Justiceforever]

For those not local, I think it's important to note that Sheriff Clarke is a somewhat controversial figure who's known to feud with a number of Milwaukee politicians/officials, including Chief Flynn. I'd take anything Clarke says about the MPD with a grain of salt.

Perhaps he has legitimate complaints against the MPD/politicians/officials! <snipped by me>

I'm listening to both sides and I think, in this case Sheriff Clarke is right.

I am a native of Milwaukee's north side (high crime) inner city. For 29 years of 47 I lived on the north side and after being away for over almost 2 decades, I am back in the inner city south side (high crime) and one thing that I can say that hasn't changed, is the amount of violent crimes being committed. Esp. with the use of guns.

I don't know much about the recent political atmosphere but I do know that not enough is being done to get the guns off our street or to stop them before they get into the hands of criminals. Another thing that hasn't changed is the public's perception of the MPD at least from where I'm sitting! There's NO trust, NO confidence and NO respect for MPD by people who live in the inner city.

Let me just remind you that MPD is known for being corrupt! I said it. I am a law abiding citizen and I have no faith in them and no trust and definitely no confidence.

 

[RLynne]

Perhaps he has legitimate complaints against the MPD/politicians/officials! <snipped by me>

I'm listening to both sides and I think, in this case Sheriff Clarke is right.
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Oh, I hear you--on the fairly rare occasions I'm in Milwaukee, I do NOT drink the water there (and I'm not kidding, either) -- Milwaukee has had a string of, um, interesting political figures lately. And while I've never lived in Milwaukee (I grew up in Waukesha County), I don't have a lot of respect for the MPD--while I'm sure there are many wonderful individual officers on the force, there have been so many terrible things that have happened involving that department.

I just think that someone like, say, Couper (retired Madison police chief, I have a lot of respect for him), or Bouza (who I know nothing about), both of whom are quoted in a different article you posted, have a lot more objectivity and credibility than Clarke does in criticizing Flynn (or vice versa, at this point).

 

[Justiceforever]

Oh, I hear you--on the fairly rare occasions I'm in Milwaukee, I do NOT drink the water there (and I'm not kidding, either) -- Milwaukee has had a string of, um, interesting political figures lately. And while I've never lived in Milwaukee (I grew up in Waukesha County), I don't have a lot of respect for the MPD--while I'm sure there aremany wonderful individual officers on the force, there have been so many terrible things that have happened involving that department.

I just think that someone like, say, Couper (retired Madison police chief, I have a lot of respect for him), or Bouza (who I know nothing about), both of whom are quoted in a different article you posted, have a lot more objectivity and credibility than Clarke does in criticizing Flynn (or vice versa, at this point).

BBMRed: No kidding! People consider yourself warned!!!

Milwaukee is the crypto capital! Nasty lil protozoan!

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptosporidium"]Cryptosporidium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Cryptosporidium is a genus of apicomplxen protozoans that can cause gastrointestinal illness with diarrhea in humans.

Milwaukee suffered a massive outbreak in 1993 and a smaller one again recently.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Milwaukee_Cryptosporidiosis_outbreak"]1993 Milwaukee Cryptosporidiosis outbreak - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

" Over the span of approximately two weeks, 403,000 of an estimated 1.61 million residents in the Milwaukee area (of which 880,000 were served by the malfunctioning treatment plant) became ill with the stomach cramps, fever, diarrhea and dehydration caused by the pathogen. At least 104deaths have been attributed to this outbreak, mostly among the elderly and people, such as AIDS patients."

http://www.jsonline.com/news/health...poridium-confirmed-b99111026z1-226013821.html

The outbreak was discussed on Season 1 Episode 2 on [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsters_Inside_Me"]Monsters Inside Me - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame].

DISGUSTING! :sick:

BBMblue: I think it's time for me to delve deeper into Milw. politics

BBMorange: I agree, and I commend them for a job well done. It's just that the reputation of the Dept. proceeds them.

http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/wa...ns-of-milwaukee-police-474q87d-146051405.html

"In any large organization, you are going to have some bad people," Harris said. "But when those bad people are not rooted out, when discipline is uneven, when there is no sense that there is justice, when the department investigates itself, you undermine public confidence - even if crime is down."

Here's some more quotes from an excellent article published by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, a reputable newspaper.

http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/132268408.html

"At least 93 Milwaukee police officers - ranking from street cop to captain - have been disciplined for violating the laws and ordinances they were sworn to uphold

"At least six officers disciplined by the department for illegal behavior suffered no legal consequences whatsoever. One was Reginald Hampton, accused of sexually assaulting two women he met on duty. Another was Mark Kapusta, suspended after a woman said he pointed a gun at her head during a drunken road-rage incident. Neither officer was charged or ticketed."

"At least one, John P. Corbett, was a police sergeant by day and an inmate by night. Convicted of driving drunk with a child in the car, Corbett did his job at the police station while on work release from jail."

:what:

"Twenty-three officers got breaks from prosecutors that allowed them to avoid being convicted of serious charges - or any charges at all - as long as they didn't commit more crimes and followed prosecutors' instructions. One was Patrick Fuhrman, originally charged with a felony for a beating that sent his wife to the hospital and, according to a witness, left blood in every room of their house. A conviction on that charge could have gotten him fired from the department, banned from carrying a gun for life and imprisoned for 3½ years. Instead, he ended up with two tickets for disorderly conduct."


http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/mi...uble-b99126292z1-229467641.html#ixzz2j2BzMW00

"In an attempt to avoid a possible investigation from the federal Department of Justice, the Milwaukee Police Department has tightened several of its policies, including a broader and more common-sense definition of what's considered a use of force and stricter standards for when officers have to report it.

As a result of the new guidelines, which went into effect Jan. 1, reports of use of force by officers have more than doubled in the first half of this year compared with the same period last year."


I can only imagine how many use of force incidents went unreported or mis-reported by officers!


That's only the tip of the ice burg. Corruption in the dept. (at all ranks) isn't new it goes back a LONG time! :banghead:

I apologize @ this LONG azz post. I was trying to make it easier to read. Lol! i actually COULD'VE made it longer, with more MSN links but I reigned myself in.

 

[Justiceforever]

Last night Fox news 6, (while reporting the shooting at Children's Hospital), displayed bullet points with the events as they unfolded.

One of the bullet points said that the suspect *Dropped the baby.

Chief Edward Flynn said very clearly that the suspect "put the baby down." in a news conference earlier in the day.

Just one of those things @ Fox that makes me go hmmm.??

Originally PC Flynn said in a press conference that Hendricks "was compliant and he "put" the infant down." You can hear it at the 1:05 minute mark here...


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc4Ln3VmScc"]MPD Chief Flynn on shooting at Children's Hospital in Milwaukee - YouTube[/ame]

No mention that the infant was thrown, dropped, or harmed in any way.


Update:

"...new charge of physical abuse of a child. This, after the child he was holding when he was approached by police at Children&#8217;s Hospital suffered a fractured scull after being thrown or dropped."

http://fox6now.com/2013/11/25/hendricks-facing-new-charge-in-childrens-hospital-shooting/

 

[Aqua]

Perhaps he has legitimate complaints against the MPD/politicians/officials! <snipped by me>

I'm listening to both sides and I think, in this case Sheriff Clarke is right.

I am a native of Milwaukee's north side (high crime) inner city. For 29 years of 47 I lived on the north side and after being away for over almost 2 decades, I am back in the inner city south side (high crime) and one thing that I can say that hasn't changed, is the amount of violent crimes being committed. Esp. with the use of guns.

I don't know much about the recent political atmosphere but I do know that not enough is being done to get the guns off our street or to stop them before they get into the hands of criminals. Another thing that hasn't changed is the public's perception of the MPD at least from where I'm sitting! There's NO trust, NO confidence and NO respect for MPD by people who live in the inner city.

Let me just remind you that MPD is known for being corrupt! I said it. I am a law abiding citizen and I have no faith in them and no trust and definitely no confidence.

As a Milwaukee resident, I agree with you 100% and I live on the southside (low crime area). I do know several wonderful MPD officers...2 of which are related to me....But as a whole I have little faith in MPD. Even some of our
politicians are corrupt. :moo: