WI - Jacob Wetterling posters/video in home of deceased Vernon Seitz, also child 🤬🤬🤬🤬

[SuziQ]

Daniel Barter 4, was abducted while on a campsite while the family was preparing fishing equipment on: JUNE 18, 1959


http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/barter_d.htm

As Dr. F gives the date now, first I read, in the above referenced article as June 19, 1959, imo this has to be checked out immediately... Recall:

A black and white photo of a young boy holding a fish, with July 1959 written on the back of it was found in Seitz stuff. Also a tape marked kidnapping of a 4 1/2 year old on it.. I have already checked, there are several Seitz family members in residence in Alabama at the time of Daniel's abduction.

Did Vern and family visit Alabama? We already know his story about the Racine zoo was a fabrication from LE.. Is this the incident that created a monster??

Good find!

 

[mysteriew]

Good find Driveon. Did you tip it?

 

[MeoW333]

Daniel Barter 4, was abducted while on a campsite while the family was preparing fishing equipment on: JUNE 18, 1959


http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/barter_d.htm

As Dr. F gives the date now, first I read, in the above referenced article as June 19, 1959, imo this has to be checked out immediately... Recall:

A black and white photo of a young boy holding a fish, with July 1959 written on the back of it was found in Seitz stuff. Also a tape marked kidnapping of a 4 1/2 year old on it.. I have already checked, there are several Seitz family members in residence in Alabama at the time of Daniel's abduction.

Did Vern and family visit Alabama? We already know his story about the Racine zoo was a fabrication from LE.. Is this the incident that created a monster??

Mysteriew is right, Drivenon, call in the tip.
There may be many more with the amount of evidence found in that house..

 

[Mysterylover]

Agreed, thank you for posting, I would recommend you read the guest book.
Three of the same entries and the only three comments. I read this like it was not necessarily written by the person, as it's second entry includes 2 names, I read it like someone is trying to say something.

But in fairness I am on Full sleeve alert here.

Except to note, his Father, who is still alive, and I read today on another site owns a very large property, is not mentioned.........

Driveon...Are you saying Seitz's bio father is still alive? If so, he can verify if his son was abducted as a child of 12 years old...Police report etc.

I thought I read that Seitz said he was kidnapped/abducted as a child, at the age of 12, from a zoo around JUNE 19, 1959, and molested and forced to commit a murder of another young boy at age 12 yrs. old...etc. etc.?

Did the father, doctor or Seitz ever describe his abductors, age, height, weight, hair color, race and where they held Seitz captive and how he escaped? IF not, why?

Seitz was going into puberty, could he intentionally disappeared for several weeks in June 1959 in order to carry out his fantasies?...

 

[Mysterylover]

After knowing he drew pictures of boys, the therapist should have put him inpatient for a 72 hour evaluation.
That therapist is far from kosher in her ethics. I wonder how much she actually knew that Seize told her?
He could have told her a lot more. Of course, we may never know as she's probably aware she could be in hot water.

I wonder what the circumstances were when Fetter came under scrutiny in 2000? I also wonder if that's the reason why Seitz chose her as a therapist. He knew she wasn't the best of the best, hmmm!...

Painting/drawing pornographic pictures of young boys should have been a huge red flag for Fetter.

She certainly isn't your run of the mill therapist, she's lacking.

I hope they can somehow subpoena her to talk about what he told her (hopefully she'll be honest). It is potentially a murder investigation.

"She said Seize wanted to put his mind at ease about killing a 14-year-boy in Racine back in the late 1950’s when Seitz was only 12-years-old.

Fetter wouldn’t comment on whether Seitz ever confessed other crimes to her, citing doctor-patient confidentiality.
She said she could only talk about the 1950s incident....."

Lord knows what he told her......

MeoW...good points, I agree,
I feel doctor and client confidentially should STOP when the welfare and lives of children, and adults are at risk....

How can it be morally right to sit back and get paid to hear the details of children being raped and tortured and say nothing or do nothing to stop it, year after year, as long as the client pays $$$$ ?..:ashamed:

 

[Mysterylover]

Yes, good point.
It was reported that he was on meds prescribed by Dr. Fetter which were removed by LE, but no mention of what those were.

If they were related to sexual activity in any way, Im gonna hurl....

Drivenon, IF this doctor gave this sick person any kind of SEXUAL medicine, she should loose her medical license for making it possible for this sicko to commit more crimes, more often...:couch:

 

[Drivenon]

Good find!

Thanks all, yes, the FBI and the Lead Investigator, Sensitive Crimes Unit, MPD are aware of it.

 

[Mysterylover]

ITA, why go through the trouble of putting new concrete in your basement and digging up whatever was in your yard to leave that there?

It does not say what specifically it was, but I would really want to know if whatever it is was configured for adults, or gulp, children.....

Drivenon,
I read, Schwartz said police jack-hammered the fresh concrete and found nothing.
There has to be something important in this fresh concrete. It's in several of those chunks of concrete..or in the ground under the concrete...The LE need to crush the concrete and then sift it..and dig up the ground IF they are interested in finding the truth about this guy...:cop:

 

[Drivenon]

Driveon...Are you saying Seitz's bio father is still alive? If so, he can verify if his son was abducted as a child...
I thought I read that Seitz said he was kidnapped/abducted as a child from a zoo around June 19, 1959, and molested and forced to murder at age 12 yrs old...etc. etc.?
Am I reading some of the info on this case wrong?

If Seitz's father is alive and has a very large piece of property, every inch of it should be inspected...

Alot of this family has the same first names, so it is difficult to be sure who owns what, also some of it is in holdings by a now defuncted business.
From what I can tell, that property is Vern's Uncle, his Dad passed in 1994.

Who dug up Vern's yard??? Why would he schedule a meeting about a confession ( which I now do not believe) and remove contents from his yard?
I say the yard dig is post mortem from somebody that knew he died, could not get into the house, but knew about the backyard stuff.. jmho

 

[Steely Dan]

Drivenon,
I read, Schwartz said police jack-hammered the fresh concrete and found nothing.
There has to be something important in this fresh concrete. It's in several of those chunks of concrete..or in the ground under the concrete...The LE need to crush the concrete and then sift it..and dig up the ground IF they are interested in finding the truth about this guy...:cop:

I wonder if the fresh cement was put down not to bury someone but, to take remains out and move them elsewhere? :waitasec:

 

[Mysterylover]

By just clicking on the link it opened in photoshop for me. To see the full 24 page document I saved/downloaded the target and then opened it with adobe acrobat reader via the "open with" option.

Completely detailed inventory of what was taken.
Some things that caught my attention: "head of human hair (bro)", "blond hair bridges, saviour smith", novel innocent rage by vernon seize", 1 size 2 & 1/2 grey child's shoe"...

The descriptions for the pencil drawings are revealing.

I cannot comprehend this statement:
"We have no information to substantiate any allegation that the deceased [suspect] was involved in any missing children cases or homicides of children,” police spokeswoman Anne E. Stewart.

Or this statement: "“We have exhausted all possible angles in this case.
If we receive credible information that warrants investigation, we will pursue it.”.....

Snowme...You're not alone, I can not comprehend the LE's statements or reasoning.
My Mother always said, Where there's Smoke there's Fire!...

 

[Mysterylover]

Daniel Barter 4, was abducted while on a campsite while the family was preparing fishing equipment on: JUNE 18, 1959


http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/barter_d.htm

As Dr. F gives the date now, first I read, in the above referenced article as June 19, 1959, imo this has to be checked out immediately... Recall:

A black and white photo of a young boy holding a fish, with July 1959 written on the back of it was found in Seitz stuff.
Also a tape marked kidnapping of a 4 1/2 year old on it..

I have already checked, there are several Seitz family members in residence in Alabama at the time of Daniel's abduction.

Did Vern and family visit Alabama? We already know his story about the Racine zoo was a fabrication from LE.. Is this the incident that created a monster??.....

Driveon...A very big coincidence, and I've never believed in coincidences!...:fish:

 

[Mysterylover]

I wonder if the fresh cement was put down not to bury someone but, to take remains out and move them elsewhere? :waitasec:...

Steely Dan...Excellent point!
Every ounce of that soil in that hole, should be tested for decomposition or cloths of a child...

 

[Mysterylover]

Daniel Barter 4, was abducted while on a campsite while the family was preparing fishing equipment on: JUNE 18, 1959


http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/barter_d.htm

As Dr. F gives the date now, first I read, in the above referenced article as June 19, 1959, imo this has to be checked out immediately... Recall:

A black and white photo of a young boy holding a fish, with July 1959 written on the back of it was found in Seitz stuff.
Also a tape marked kidnapping of a 4 1/2 year old on it..

I have already checked, there are several Seitz family members in residence in Alabama at the time of Daniel's abduction.

Did Vern and family visit Alabama? We already know his story about the Racine zoo was a fabrication from LE..
Is this the incident that created a monster??

Driveon...Would Seitz have been 13 years old in 1959 ??...:fish:... Was any of Seitz family fishing or camping around the same area in July 1959 in Alabama?
How far did his relatives live from where the 4 yr. old boy was kidnapped?

 

[Drivenon]

Driveon...Would Seitz have been 13 years old in 1959 ??...:fish:... Was any of Seitz family fishing or camping around the same area in July 1959 in Alabama?
How far did his relatives live from where the 4 yr. old boy was kidnapped?

13 1/2 at this time, yes.

Cant confirm they were there yet, only know there is family ties there.
The problem is as advanced as we are in 2009 google earth, zillow, online records, etc, they dont correspond well to 50 year old records/addresses.

Street names and town names change, etc.. Remember this happened 50 years ago.. I got as far as I can get with my resources and turned it over, if no objections once it is reviewed I will post it.

 

[snowme]

Thanks all, yes, the FBI and the Lead Investigator, Sensitive Crimes Unit, MPD are aware of it.

Excellent find and good work Drivenon! :hug:

 

[snowme]

I say the yard dig is post mortem from somebody that knew he died, could not get into the house, but knew about the backyard stuff.. jmho

my snip

Interesting...

Drivenon, your passion is showing! :wink:

 

[snowme]

Snowme...You're not alone, I can not comprehend the LE's statements or reasoning.
My Mother always said, Where there's Smoke there's Fire!...

There's so much smoke here it appears LE (by their statements) are all choked up. I hope I'm very wrong and they're doing their rightful thing but just trying to keep it from blowing up. I mean, it's not possible in this time in history that LE could stumble into this huge pile o' something and not see what we all see, right? Right?!

 

[Steely Dan]

MeoW...good points, I agree,
I feel doctor and client confidentially should STOP when the welfare and lives of children, and adults are at risk....

How can it be morally right to sit back and get paid to hear the details of children being raped and tortured and say nothing or do nothing to stop it, year after year, as long as the client pays $$$$ ?..:ashamed:

It is extremely unethical for a psychiatrist to give out information about a patients conversations with the psychiatrist. Any time law enforcement wants access to the file they have to subpoena it.

This ethical standard is kept because if patients fear the psychiatrist turning them in they won't be honest with their psychiatrist and that greatly inhibits any kind of progression in the therapy.

I'm 99.9% sure that if a therapist knows that a crime is going to be committed that they have to legally inform the police.

I'm not sure if past crimes are covered by that too. I don't think they are.

 

[impatientredhead]

It is extremely unethical for a psychiatrist to give out information about a patients conversations with the psychiatrist. Any time law enforcement wants access to the file they have to subpoena it.

This ethical standard is kept because if patients fear the psychiatrist turning them in they won't be honest with their psychiatrist and that greatly inhibits any kind of progression in the therapy.

I'm 99.9% sure that if a therapist knows that a crime is going to be committed that they have to legally inform the police.

I'm not sure if past crimes are covered by that too. I don't think they are.

It should be very interesting to see how the doctor is handled in all of this mess. Unless he was going to commit a crime his records should have been confidential until they were subpoenaed. Perhaps she had his permission to look into his alleged crime confessions, but she should be able to document that if she did.

I would not worry about LE's comments about there being nothing to investigate. They don't want an even bigger press convergance on the area. There is noway they are investigating and testing things from that scene. We will hear more about their investigation when they are ready.