WI - Jacob Wetterling posters/video in home of deceased Vernon Seitz, also child 🤬🤬🤬🤬

[Drivenon]

One of the links that showed what they seized is in a video and you have to keep pausing the video to see what they listed when they show the papers up close in it. It's hard to see everything.

The link that says warning graphic that is the search warrant, i opened with Photoshop and enlarged it, and it seems to be a general list of what they would be looking for in the home. What they actually found is listed on the papers in the video in the other link.

Yes, that is what I have as well, the other poster indicated there is an actual pdf of the inventory, which I cannot find anywhere. The search warrant is indeed inclusive of prob cause items. I am guessing that they found quite a bit in "plain view" when they found him, and with the DR.'s allegations, decided to get a SW, which is why it seems some of the items found are on the warrant.

 

[JaxFlaGal]

MeoW333, are you able to view all 24 pages of the "search warrant" from that "warning graphic" link at MSN? I am still pretty certain that pages 5-19 of that document are the actual property inventory. I have no idea whether Photoshop allows you to see the 2nd through nth pages of the document though.

 

[SuziQ]

This guy supposedly did everything but actually commit acts on children? I just don't buy it. I'm so creeped out by this story and I haven't even read the Probable cause statement or the search warrant.

 

[SuziQ]

I apologize if anything I post has been discussed ad nauseum. I'm just now getting into the details. IMO, Vernon wore his Mission of Mercy and claim of his own horrible kidnapping like a mask to gain trust and get close to a missing kid case because he craved the gory details. He was calculating and manipulative and fooled alot of people. He got people to see what he wanted them to. And I would bet he shared very little of the whole story with his shrink. What his shrink did know was bad, and she didn't think there was anything wrong with him inserting himself into missing kids cases? He was no psychic, he wasn't there to offer help, he was there to get the gory details because that's how he got his jollies.

 

[ArizonaGiGi]

I apologize if anything I post has been discussed ad nauseum. I'm just now getting into the details. IMO, Vernon wore his Mission of Mercy and claim of his own horrible kidnapping like a mask to gain trust and get close to a missing kid case because he craved the gory details. He was calculating and manipulative and fooled alot of people. He got people to see what he wanted them to. And I would bet he shared very little of the whole story with his shrink. What his shrink did know was bad, and she didn't think there was anything wrong with him inserting himself into missing kids cases? He was no psychic, he wasn't there to offer help, he was there to get the gory details because that's how he got his jollies.

I agree. It's so weird that he had video of Jacob W. I want to know what kind of video. From a newscast? I mean, if it was in person, and it's before Jacob went missing, the cops are smart enough to put 2 and 2 together.
And where is the obit for this guy? Somethings more than just creepy about this case.

 

[JaxFlaGal]

The obit seemed pretty normal, nothing particularly noteworthy. You can find it by searching the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel's online obits at: http://www.legacy.com/jsonline/deathnotices.asp. I'm not comfortable quoting it here out of consideration for relatives' privacy, but I saw nothing out of the ordinary in it.

 

[JaxFlaGal]

Here's an article from the Milwaukee paper with more details on his therapist sessions. http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/37365524.html

For the past 11 years, a barber named Vernon Seitz would show up midday on Saturdays for his monthly one-hour session.

"He was my most challenging patient," Fetter said.

More at that link.

 

[MeoW333]

Here's an article from the Milwaukee paper with more details on his therapist sessions. http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/37365524.html



More at that link.

"He was my most challenging patient," Fetter said. Seitz was a complicated man, to say the least. The big secret he shared with her - that he was involved in killing a boy half a century ago - seems to be fiction, police say.
And his hidden life of child and a fascination with cannibalism never came up in therapy."
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/37365524.html

Granted he didn't tell her a lot, if i were her, i would have asked another psychiatrist for an opinion upon what to do in the matter. (She wouldn't have to name Seitz to do that). If i recall, she was aware of his "artwork" drawings of young boys being tortured. That in itself, is a huge sign of how disturbed his mind was.

"Eleven years seems like a long time to pay a psychiatrist out of pocket without revealing your darkest demons. I mean, what's the point? It's as if he wanted just a little off the top rather than a full psychiatric workup. "He played his cards pretty close to the chest," Fetter said, declining to be too specific. "Also he came in once a month. Mr. Stingl, if somebody really means business and has problems, big problems, and he did, you don't come once a month."


It seems futile to see a therapist once a month when Seitz had so many obvious issues, it doesn't seem like his main focus was therapy. Maybe Seitz was looking for help in his obsessions? Did he enjoy the attention? Relive an incident(s) over in his head while telling someone?

Maybe the story of him killing a boy at the Racine Zoo was made up, maybe it was his way of confessing to a murder that could have taken place anywhere, any time. If he was intent on getting help for his problems, he would have went at least weekly to therapy. I think he had other intentions with his going to see the doctor.
He did afterall, "play his cards pretty close to the chest". Also seems he didn't tell her everything.

 

[SuziQ]

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I think you hit the nail on the head. Who else could he talk to without getting arrested? He wanted to relive what he enjoyed. Kinda like you and me reliving a great vacation or something. I don't think therapy was about getting help. I think it was because a therapist, because of patient confidentiality, couldn't share anything. I feel the therapist could and should of in this case though. My understanding is if the patient expresses or shows that he is a harm to himself or others, the doctor is expected to take appropriate action. Vernon probably was able to read the doctor and knew what he could get away with telling her without seriously alarming her.

And it appears the therapist may have had patient management issues in the past.

http://🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.com/2009/01/11...e-barber-of-st-francis-vernon-c-seitz-part-i/

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Is “boiling in hot water a psychiatric term for spending the rest of your life in the slammer where he becomes the little boy in the scenario? Sources inside the investigation indicate there are discrepancies in Dr. Fetter’s comments to MPD leading up to the passing of Seitz.​

If that is true, it will not be the first time Dr. Fetter’s patient management skills have come under scrutiny. In 2000, Fetter was professionally reprimanded by the Wisconsin Medical Board for misconduct of confidentiality and unprofessionalism towards a patient and her family during 1996-1997. This would be right around the time Seitz began seeing her. I did not provide the reference to this information to protect the privacy of the patient involved in the sanction. It can be researched through her medical license, however.​

 

[MeoW333]

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I think you hit the nail on the head. Who else could he talk to without getting arrested? He wanted to relive what he enjoyed. Kinda like you and me reliving a great vacation or something. I don't think therapy was about getting help. I think it was because a therapist, because of patient confidentiality, couldn't share anything. I feel the therapist could and should of in this case though. My understanding is if the patient expresses or shows that he is a harm to himself or others, the doctor is expected to take appropriate action. Vernon probably was able to read the doctor and knew what he could get away with telling her without seriously alarming her.

And it appears the therapist may have had patient management issues in the past.

http://🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.com/2009/01/11...e-barber-of-st-francis-vernon-c-seitz-part-i/

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Is “boiling in hot water a psychiatric term for spending the rest of your life in the slammer where he becomes the little boy in the scenario? Sources inside the investigation indicate there are discrepancies in Dr. Fetter’s comments to MPD leading up to the passing of Seitz.​

If that is true, it will not be the first time Dr. Fetter’s patient management skills have come under scrutiny. In 2000, Fetter was professionally reprimanded by the Wisconsin Medical Board for misconduct of confidentiality and unprofessionalism towards a patient and her family during 1996-1997. This would be right around the time Seitz began seeing her. I did not provide the reference to this information to protect the privacy of the patient involved in the sanction. It can be researched through her medical license, however.​

After knowing he drew pictures of boys, the therapist should have put him inpatient for a 72 hour evaluation. That therapist is far from kosher in her ethics. I wonder how much she actually knew that Seitz told her? He could have told her a lot more. Of course, we may never know as she's probably aware she could be in hot water.

I wonder what the circumstances were when Fetter came under scrutiny in 2000? I also wonder if that's the reason why Seitz chose her as a therapist. He knew she wasn't the best of the best hmm...

Painting/drawing pornographic pictures of young boys should have been a huge red flag for Fetter. She certainly isn't your run of the mill therapist, she's lacking. I hope they can somehow subpeona her to talk about what he told her (hopefully she'll be honest). It is potentially a murder investigation.

"She said Seitz wanted to put his mind at ease about killing a 14-year-boy in Racine back in the late 1950’s when Seitz was only 12-years-old. Fetter wouldn’t comment on whether Seitz ever confessed other crimes to her, citing doctor-patient confidentiality. She said she could only talk about the 1950s incident."

Lord knows what he told her..

 

[SuziQ]

Meow, ITA, it's what the therapist wouldn't discuss that bothers me.

 

[lizzybeth]

Now since Seitz is deceased can't LE obtain his files with a warrant?

I wonder also if the kidnapping story might have been a half-truth (him being the abductor and not the one abducted).

I keep think about Pete Townsend (of The Who) didn't LE find child on his computer but he was let off the hook because he said he had been sexually abused as a child and was just looking up information? Could this have been the case with Seitz? I don't think so but I guess it's a possibility.

I guess he wasn't completely let off the hook.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/petetownshend1.html

 

[evelyn24]

Milwaukee police said that despite the pornographic drawings of young boys, drawings of nude children, books on cannibalism, children's shoes and tufts of hair found, there was no evidence to suggest Seitz was linked to the Wetterling case or any other crimes involving children in the country. He also had posters and photos of Jacob and maps of St. Joseph.
According to the search warrant, police found new concrete in the home's basement and dirt piles in the yard. A further investigation found no human remains.
http://www.startribune.com/local/37178734.html?page=2&c=y


The article also quotes Patty Wetterling as saying he came to visit her twice to help look for Jason.

Forgot to say that I'm not feeling a huge amount of confidence in Milwaukee LE at this moment.

OMG..I have no words.

 

[MeoW333]

MeoW333, are you able to view all 24 pages of the "search warrant" from that "warning graphic" link at MSN? I am still pretty certain that pages 5-19 of that document are the actual property inventory. I have no idea whether Photoshop allows you to see the 2nd through nth pages of the document though.

Hi, i can't view all 24 pages of it from either link. The "warning graphic" link just kinda states what they were to general look for. There was a link to a video that you had to keep pausing on the paperwork still shot, and it still doesn't show everything, just bits and pieces of what was on a list they found in the home. I had just pulled up the one page on Photoshop.

 

[Drivenon]

The obit seemed pretty normal, nothing particularly noteworthy. You can find it by searching the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel's online obits at: http://www.legacy.com/jsonline/deathnotices.asp. I'm not comfortable quoting it here out of consideration for relatives' privacy, but I saw nothing out of the ordinary in it.

Agreed, thank you for posting, I would recommend you read the guest book.
Three of the same entries and the only three comments. I read this like it was not necessarily written by the person, as it's second entry includes 2 names, I read it like someone is trying to say something.

But in fairness I am on Full skeeve alert here. Except to note, his Father, who is still alive, and I read today on another site owns a very large property, is not mentioned.

 

[Drivenon]

Now since Seitz is deceased can't LE obtain his files with a warrant?

I wonder also if the kidnapping story might have been a half-truth (him being the abductor and not the one abducted).

I keep think about Pete Townsend (of The Who) didn't LE find child on his computer but he was let off the hook because he said he had been sexually abused as a child and was just looking up information? Could this have been the case with Seitz? I don't think so but I guess it's a possibility.

I guess he wasn't completely let off the hook.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/petetownshend1.html

If they establish a crime, absolutely. If not, not so much. We are really not yet privy to all that's found, which may lead to other cases .

 

[ArizonaGiGi]

Townsend states that the "pathway to 'free' paedophilic imagery is--as it were--laid out like a free line of cocaine at a decadent cocktail party: only the strong willed or terminally uncurious can resist."

I think he is speaking of HIMSELF. I'll never listen to the WHO again.

Now since Seitz is deceased can't LE obtain his files with a warrant?

I wonder also if the kidnapping story might have been a half-truth (him being the abductor and not the one abducted).

I keep think about Pete Townsend (of The Who) didn't LE find child on his computer but he was let off the hook because he said he had been sexually abused as a child and was just looking up information? Could this have been the case with Seitz? I don't think so but I guess it's a possibility.

I guess he wasn't completely let off the hook.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/petetownshend1.html

 

[believe09]

Townsend states that the "pathway to 'free' paedophilic imagery is--as it were--laid out like a free line of cocaine at a decadent cocktail party: only the strong willed or terminally uncurious can resist."

I think he is speaking of HIMSELF. I'll never listen to the WHO again.

I think his manifesto was serious carp...self serving and petulant, fwiw. Way to memorialize his friend who killed herself-NOT.

I am surprised that he considers himself a writer, number one-although he clearly considers himself a victim of all of those nasty pornographers and the ISP's who will not clean house adequately...shame on them, mind you, not on him I guess.

Clearly the search then caused his credit card to levitate from his wallet and type the numbers...but I digress.

In the case of this particular perp who inserted himself into Wetterlings case, I guess it comes down to what you think you know about pedophiles and missing children....and what you think you know about police. Jmo

 

[Drivenon]

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And it appears the therapist may have had patient management issues in the past.

http://🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.com/2009/01/11...e-barber-of-st-francis-vernon-c-seitz-part-i/

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Is “boiling in hot water a psychiatric term for spending the rest of your life in the slammer where he becomes the little boy in the scenario? Sources inside the investigation indicate there are discrepancies in Dr. Fetter’s comments to MPD leading up to the passing of Seitz.​

If that is true, it will not be the first time Dr. Fetter’s patient management skills have come under scrutiny. In 2000, Fetter was professionally reprimanded by the Wisconsin Medical Board for misconduct of confidentiality and unprofessionalism towards a patient and her family during 1996-1997. This would be right around the time Seitz began seeing her. I did not provide the reference to this information to protect the privacy of the patient involved in the sanction. It can be researched through her medical license, however.​

Suzi- thank you for posting that link. I did check her Med records, I do not know what I am aloud to post as I am new, so I will paraphrase:

Dr. F, contacted the family of a patient after the patient terminated the relationship on several occasions. The patient, she classified at one time was suicidal. She appeared to provide some legal advice, and some strongly inappropriate treatment information to the family, all without her consent.
I am putting this mildly. I ran this past a forensic psychologist, MD friend of mine, who told me this person's license should have been yanked but in arbitration there was mutual agreement and the board will always opt not to involve further contact with the patient..

Another thing I just read. Conflicting reports on her call to MPD, but seem to say she called them on 12/11 to arrange a meeting. According to the article Jax posted, he had Saturday appointments. Did she know already he was deceased and she was covering her tracks??

 

[Drivenon]

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In the case of this particular perp who inserted himself into Wetterlings case, I guess it comes down to what you think you know about pedophiles and missing children....and what you think you know about police. Jmo

Believe, I agree, and if this *person* only involved himself in Wetterlings case, I would be less alarmed ( as if), but the sheer volume of what was uncovered and the neighbors comments, well, scare me.

I have always been of the opinion, if people are willing to say "x" what are they not willing to say publicly?