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Oh for sure he was dealing weed IMO. Very easy way to make $$$
Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #35
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More than one vehicle. Does not work. People in and out of house. Does anybody else smell possible small time drug dealer for a semi-living ?
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This is key! Thankyouforbringing this up!
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LOL gotcha. Was trying to fit some puzzle pieces together from other different posts having partial info. Think I found the link others were referring to and my puzzle went out the window. I saw "August 27" with no year and wondered if it were this year. It wasn't. If it had been I could see it buying a lot of time to disappear into the wind without raising questions.
Who clearly operated under the radar imo just enough for his comforts
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It is very possible that perp could have stalked her from afar for a while. Just throwing this out there: maybe perp saw her when she was out doing her cross-country runs. That could have sparked interest and maybe he was able to find out where she lived by low-key following her home after her practices. Jmo
I think (correct me if I’m wrong) someone stated earlier that he worked at Jennie-O for a day and also had another job where he only worked one day as well. This is a big indicater of a mental illness. (I mean obviously it’s pretty obvious he has something mentally wrong anyway)
MOO.
I think (correct me if I’m wrong) someone stated earlier that he worked at Jennie-O for a day and also had another job where he only worked one day as well. This is a big indicater of a mental illness. (I mean obviously it’s pretty obvious he has something mentally wrong anyway)
MOO.
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I’ve only seen rumors that he was going to boot camp, never anything validated that he was in the military.
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Very true! Today's news really has socked me (in a good way, but I've been teary!).Oh dear, I'm so sorry lolIt's been a very emotional day for all!
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Well heck, I missed a thread and a half. Any major sleuthing anyone is kind enough to share?
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And no lines were cut at the Closs house.
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I need to know more about how Jayme is, so I came back to read tons of really GREAT posts!!
In the midst of my almost Evelyn Wood fast speed- reading of all these many wonderful happy posts ( and anger at the suspect, justifiably) , I was stopped by the wise words of a fellow poster who is very respected and admired here, for good reason.
It was posted on the locked thread,# 34, so I wanted to bring it over with credit to her:
Gitana1, a verified attorney who has posted here for a long time, wisely wrote this post this AM in response to someone who asked " How can there be no evidence of where Jayme was, who had her, that sort of question we may all have wondered in 3 months ( I know I have as well)
Gitana1 said. BEGIN QUOTE:
"We need to learn why there was no evidence? I'm sorry. Not following that. Sometimes there just isn't anything that can help solve the case. LE did all they could do. They weren't just "waiting" around. There is no magic way to predict what some secret psychopath is planning unless they actually tell LE or someone else does.
This is the real world. Not a tv show like CSI which has, IMO, led to the attitude that if the cops don't find evidence or solve it within an hour, they didn't know what they were doing.
Nope. Most of these crimes can't be predicted or prevented. Sometimes perps are good at not leaving DNA or other clues.
That's reality.
It's a needle in a haystack issue. If a person doesn't have a criminal record, isn't a sex offender, hasn't done or said anything that others are able to notice that would be obvious enough for them to suspect he's hiding a live person in his house, etc., there's nothing that can be done and nothing LE needs to learn so they can do "better" the next time.
*Gitana (means "Gypsy girl"). Pronounced "hee tah nah." END QUOTE
I wanted to add a few thoughts of my own to the overall reactions by some that LE were praising themselves too much when Jayme escaped, thus saving herself with little to no prior LE intervention that we know of at this time.
IF LE does not maintain both a respectful presence to their citizenry, as well as giving the facts, and being both so happy and also standing for their proper role in LE in the press conferences, then what about the next child, teen or adult who is abducted and remembers a sort of " shrugs shoulders" and says " She was very lucky and we missed it all" statements?
Will they try harder to do whatever is necessary to live ( sometimes any struggle will get the hostage killed- this was what I faced. The abducted MUST know how to read and respond to the abductor if immense anger and possession is present) and trust that their loved ones and LE will find them?
Added to this is the huge spectrum of knowledge of the individual abductor or group of abductors. Some abductions are crude and escapable by an able- bodied person with quick reflexes. Some abductors will shoot their victim if they resist anything. That's another factor which WE, the public, cannot adequately assess after the fact, because we were not there. We do not know the force of violence, the threats used, but we do know the threat present in the fact that in Jayme's case, her parents were murdered.
Acute fear, panic, even intermittent fugue states in an almost unlivable acute situation will be used by the person's mental defense mechanisms to stay alive and well as best as possible. The violence level, the goal of the abduction ( ransom, retaliation, sexual predation, or other) all play into the response of the victim during the acute situation. Chances are, most victims do know exactly why they were kidnapped/ abducted pretty early on.
Do press conferences by LE after a successful escape/ rescue have an effect on the public? I believe they definitely do have because each of us likely knows, from MSM news on a daily basis if nothing else, that we may be one breath away from being the next person hurt and taken. No one can predict who will be next in the absence of high- risk behavior ( I hate saying that but we know what high risk behavior is and some serial killers always went for the easiest prey to grab).
They general public may not watch the pressers, but they will likely hear their co-workers, parents, schoolmates, and friends talking about " the sheriff and his people" and they will remember " These were good people who put in so much time and effort to find the missing little girl and they'd work just as hard to find me if I went missing" or they'll decide " They slacked off. They ate donuts while that girl was in a shack. Those people might not help me if I get into trouble, either". ( I do not believe this happened in Jayme Closs's case at all). I believe what Gitana1 has posted, obviously.
The police at the presser were sending a message of " We are trustworthy" in their press conference, as I saw it. Also, they DID NOT LIE. Trust vs. mistrust is both basic and essential when speaking with authority about an event this significant and all other kidnappings and murders we weather and grieve as well.
They did not say " You can trust us to solve the case" or " We found her despite great odds". They gave the bare facts of how she escaped, was found, and suspect was apprehended close by, which I DO give them credit for the apprehension.
I'm going to say it now: Because of what happened to me in the blink of an eye, I had wondered if a former cop or related experienced person might have kidnapped Jayme- because one kidnapped ME. The mindset of " If it happened to me, it could happen to her" and because it happened in the blink of an eye when I was aware of him following me in his state car, of stalking me relentlessly. ( The police had no anti-stalking laws in the timeframe when this happened to me but this all changed soon afterwards, and my case was a part of it changing in the former state where I resided).
However, for those who don't know and want to know how a mature savvy person has this happen to them, briefly he was a lying stranger, a psychopathic State Policeman who lied and stole my natural trust and misused it. I was the RN director of an acute care in- home 24 hour care agency and I called my state nursing board for assistance from their investigators authorized to investigate the theft of drugs from a patient's home by a lone nurse on duty on the night we believe the drugs disappeared. I had to work with him regarding one of my home health nurses who apparently stole a large amount of a controlled drug. It was a matter of giving him personnel records related to the past year, the drug records from the patient's home and the nursing notes they wrote during their shifts for 2 whole days before they decided they couldn't find the morphine drip and needed to make the dreaded call to their Director ( me).
Probably, I should have seen the signs of obsession developing after the very cut and dried work was done, but I was already in an unusual position historically.
I still do not understand the reasons, but for many years, I was the young nurse who got flowers delivered by florists from unknown admirers and patients and former patients expressing their gratitude, and poems, portraits drawn or painted by long term patients like burn patients. I was the one who got the presents left in my office with no I.D. from male co-workers and also male co-worker strangers to the point that I had a warped sense of what " normal" behavior was. I gave back many gifts of jewelry, cash, you name it, because nurses can't accept any compensation from clients. Our patients could have 8 or more nurses in and out their rooms in 24 hours, but over and over, regardless of the time of day or night, they'd call out my not common name over the intercom.
I cared very much during the years I refer to about being safe while still living a carefree, happy, giving professional demeanor, but as Gitana1 says, you cannot reliably predict what's never happened to you before.
Because of Jayme's very young age and lack of experience with a grown man who was almost an absolute stranger or was an absolute taking a young girl from her home like she was a specimen of a butterfly instead of a human being with a life of her own, it absolutely could not have been predicted from what is known at this time.
Also, some guys can act totally over the moon crazy about a girl or young woman and NEVER do anything improper.. It's a good world, but sometimes, it's a very wild world.
We need mental health care screenings for everyone, and free care and medications including inpatient care for over 48 hours ( the current norm) more than we need almost anything else in this country for the safety of all of us.
A victim is not at fault, and with the grace of God and luck, becomes a survivor. Jayme is a fellow survivor and I am so proud of her and happy for her safety!
In the midst of my almost Evelyn Wood fast speed- reading of all these many wonderful happy posts ( and anger at the suspect, justifiably) , I was stopped by the wise words of a fellow poster who is very respected and admired here, for good reason.
It was posted on the locked thread,# 34, so I wanted to bring it over with credit to her:
Gitana1, a verified attorney who has posted here for a long time, wisely wrote this post this AM in response to someone who asked " How can there be no evidence of where Jayme was, who had her, that sort of question we may all have wondered in 3 months ( I know I have as well)
Gitana1 said. BEGIN QUOTE:
"We need to learn why there was no evidence? I'm sorry. Not following that. Sometimes there just isn't anything that can help solve the case. LE did all they could do. They weren't just "waiting" around. There is no magic way to predict what some secret psychopath is planning unless they actually tell LE or someone else does.
This is the real world. Not a tv show like CSI which has, IMO, led to the attitude that if the cops don't find evidence or solve it within an hour, they didn't know what they were doing.
Nope. Most of these crimes can't be predicted or prevented. Sometimes perps are good at not leaving DNA or other clues.
That's reality.
It's a needle in a haystack issue. If a person doesn't have a criminal record, isn't a sex offender, hasn't done or said anything that others are able to notice that would be obvious enough for them to suspect he's hiding a live person in his house, etc., there's nothing that can be done and nothing LE needs to learn so they can do "better" the next time.
*Gitana (means "Gypsy girl"). Pronounced "hee tah nah." END QUOTE
I wanted to add a few thoughts of my own to the overall reactions by some that LE were praising themselves too much when Jayme escaped, thus saving herself with little to no prior LE intervention that we know of at this time.
IF LE does not maintain both a respectful presence to their citizenry, as well as giving the facts, and being both so happy and also standing for their proper role in LE in the press conferences, then what about the next child, teen or adult who is abducted and remembers a sort of " shrugs shoulders" and says " She was very lucky and we missed it all" statements?
Will they try harder to do whatever is necessary to live ( sometimes any struggle will get the hostage killed- this was what I faced. The abducted MUST know how to read and respond to the abductor if immense anger and possession is present) and trust that their loved ones and LE will find them?
Added to this is the huge spectrum of knowledge of the individual abductor or group of abductors. Some abductions are crude and escapable by an able- bodied person with quick reflexes. Some abductors will shoot their victim if they resist anything. That's another factor which WE, the public, cannot adequately assess after the fact, because we were not there. We do not know the force of violence, the threats used, but we do know the threat present in the fact that in Jayme's case, her parents were murdered.
Acute fear, panic, even intermittent fugue states in an almost unlivable acute situation will be used by the person's mental defense mechanisms to stay alive and well as best as possible. The violence level, the goal of the abduction ( ransom, retaliation, sexual predation, or other) all play into the response of the victim during the acute situation. Chances are, most victims do know exactly why they were kidnapped/ abducted pretty early on.
Do press conferences by LE after a successful escape/ rescue have an effect on the public? I believe they definitely do have because each of us likely knows, from MSM news on a daily basis if nothing else, that we may be one breath away from being the next person hurt and taken. No one can predict who will be next in the absence of high- risk behavior ( I hate saying that but we know what high risk behavior is and some serial killers always went for the easiest prey to grab).
They general public may not watch the pressers, but they will likely hear their co-workers, parents, schoolmates, and friends talking about " the sheriff and his people" and they will remember " These were good people who put in so much time and effort to find the missing little girl and they'd work just as hard to find me if I went missing" or they'll decide " They slacked off. They ate donuts while that girl was in a shack. Those people might not help me if I get into trouble, either". ( I do not believe this happened in Jayme Closs's case at all). I believe what Gitana1 has posted, obviously.
The police at the presser were sending a message of " We are trustworthy" in their press conference, as I saw it. Also, they DID NOT LIE. Trust vs. mistrust is both basic and essential when speaking with authority about an event this significant and all other kidnappings and murders we weather and grieve as well.
They did not say " You can trust us to solve the case" or " We found her despite great odds". They gave the bare facts of how she escaped, was found, and suspect was apprehended close by, which I DO give them credit for the apprehension.
I'm going to say it now: Because of what happened to me in the blink of an eye, I had wondered if a former cop or related experienced person might have kidnapped Jayme- because one kidnapped ME. The mindset of " If it happened to me, it could happen to her" and because it happened in the blink of an eye when I was aware of him following me in his state car, of stalking me relentlessly. ( The police had no anti-stalking laws in the timeframe when this happened to me but this all changed soon afterwards, and my case was a part of it changing in the former state where I resided).
However, for those who don't know and want to know how a mature savvy person has this happen to them, briefly he was a lying stranger, a psychopathic State Policeman who lied and stole my natural trust and misused it. I was the RN director of an acute care in- home 24 hour care agency and I called my state nursing board for assistance from their investigators authorized to investigate the theft of drugs from a patient's home by a lone nurse on duty on the night we believe the drugs disappeared. I had to work with him regarding one of my home health nurses who apparently stole a large amount of a controlled drug. It was a matter of giving him personnel records related to the past year, the drug records from the patient's home and the nursing notes they wrote during their shifts for 2 whole days before they decided they couldn't find the morphine drip and needed to make the dreaded call to their Director ( me).
Probably, I should have seen the signs of obsession developing after the very cut and dried work was done, but I was already in an unusual position historically.
I still do not understand the reasons, but for many years, I was the young nurse who got flowers delivered by florists from unknown admirers and patients and former patients expressing their gratitude, and poems, portraits drawn or painted by long term patients like burn patients. I was the one who got the presents left in my office with no I.D. from male co-workers and also male co-worker strangers to the point that I had a warped sense of what " normal" behavior was. I gave back many gifts of jewelry, cash, you name it, because nurses can't accept any compensation from clients. Our patients could have 8 or more nurses in and out their rooms in 24 hours, but over and over, regardless of the time of day or night, they'd call out my not common name over the intercom.
I cared very much during the years I refer to about being safe while still living a carefree, happy, giving professional demeanor, but as Gitana1 says, you cannot reliably predict what's never happened to you before.
Because of Jayme's very young age and lack of experience with a grown man who was almost an absolute stranger or was an absolute taking a young girl from her home like she was a specimen of a butterfly instead of a human being with a life of her own, it absolutely could not have been predicted from what is known at this time.
Also, some guys can act totally over the moon crazy about a girl or young woman and NEVER do anything improper.. It's a good world, but sometimes, it's a very wild world.
We need mental health care screenings for everyone, and free care and medications including inpatient care for over 48 hours ( the current norm) more than we need almost anything else in this country for the safety of all of us.
A victim is not at fault, and with the grace of God and luck, becomes a survivor. Jayme is a fellow survivor and I am so proud of her and happy for her safety!
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It could have been. Do you think he watched until dad JC came home, or just followed DC and JayC home, them came back later? I think he must have watched at least for awhile. I really don't see him planning everything else carefully and leaving the actual abduction to chance. MOO.
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Well the pic of him with his mom and sis, the mom looks like a nice normal mom, and AFAIK, the parents are still together.
That part is odd. Got me wondering too.
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Honestly, I thought even younger...except for no place to keep her, probably.
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Yeah that was my bad.
When you post something speculative, people invariably follow up with thoughts and questions. Then the speculation takes on a mind of its own, and theory becomes fact.
I made the an analogy involving a “yellow bicycle” early on in this case.
People then began talking about how a yellow bicycle was connected to this crime, and wanted to see MSM links.
It was a mess.
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If he were there are a few places that would take him past the Closs home. When I saw his last name I had look up another name I had been wondering about. Close but not the same.
We were talking fancy home security these days. Never said lines were cut at the Closs home
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