Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #39

[Mom24]

This:

Defense attorneys for the man accused of kidnapping a Wisconsin teenager and killing her parents acknowledged Wednesday that they're starting the case at a disadvantage after their client gave detectives a detailed confession and said they're not sure he can get a fair trial in the state.

Makes me: want to bang my head against the wall!

I agree. Fair? I can think of a few "fair" scenarios. As far as I know this self confessed murderer, abductor and kidnapper who held a child hostage for 88 days isn't being forced to cower under a 2 foot bed surrounded by weights and hampers for hours at a time, so I would say he's being treated more than fairly. His attorneys may want to remember he's not only accused, he was more than happy to confess his crimes to LE and brag about them.

 

[ab01]

I wonder if one of the neighbors of the pattersons home was referring to alot of people coming and going in referrence to when the whole family lived there and not referring to the last 88 days?

 

[mtnlites]

I don't either. Had she done that, she would not have taken the risk to run into the woods in the winter. She mentioned that he had hit her for not following rules, that would imply she was actually not forming any bond with him.

This whole conversation started out not because anyone was saying that she HAD formed a bond with him but that, with him, she could with ongoing psychological trauma. So far, nobody has said that she has. Indeed, we've all been saying she hasn't.

 

[gregjrichards]

Speaking exclusively to DailyMail.com Jayme's aunt Jennifer Smith responded to the wish allegedly expressed by Patrick Patterson when he attended his son's first court appearance at Barron County Circuit Court.

She said: 'I have no desire to have any contact with that family at the moment. I don't really know how to respond to that or how to react.

'I'm not looking at social media or anything like that and I haven't heard anything about a note.

'Right now all I'm focusing on is looking after Jayme. That's all that matters, just having her home and looking after her.

Jayme Closs' family has 'no desire for any contact' with kidnapper's father | Daily Mail Online

 

[Inthedetails]

Insanity defense coming ???

That might be the only thing a defense attorney could do, since he confessed to so much. I don't think it will work with a jury, but what else can defense do?

jmo

 

[Quill]

Customarily, relatives of the victim sit behind the prosecutors and relatives of the defendant sit behind the defendant & his attorneys. Since JTP wasn't in the courtroom, it may not have been apparent where to sit prior to the beginning. No doubt seating was at a premium in that facility.

It was stated in the article that they had reserved seats on each side for the families involved.

"You don't have anyone else coming on your side do you?' Sheriff Chris Fitzgerald asked as he tried to accommodate media, public and court officers in the rapidly filling benches. Only the bench reserved for Patterson's family remained relatively vacant."

Jayme Closs kidnapping: Father of man charged with kidnap and murder weeps | Daily Mail Online

 

[ilovechili]

No problem, I do the same thing! I was just curious how he interacted with and around family and hoping to get some insight.

Thank you. I put it together as many probably do when trying to figure things out with other statements made. I still take it to mean that in my own mind though--I have seen children at family holidays etc. who do that--go off on their own and isolate on a computer, with a game, with a book. So it was also my interpretation.

 

[PommyMommy]

This is bugging me. Why would JP go to such great lengths to cover his tracks before and during the crime, and then be stupid enough to keep all the clothing and boots he wore that night? In the CC, he said he had JC remove her clothes when they got to his house so he could burn them and have no evidence. Why didn't he do the same with his own clothes?? Also, he said he told JC to put on his sister's pajamas - only "human" piece of him I've heard so far. However, we don't really have any way of knowing if that is the truth.

Maybe he thought he may need them again.
MOO

 

[MyBelle]

These guys generally do not want to be caught.

What happens over time though, is they become complacent. As time went on, he’d be willing to leave Jayme for longer periods.

This would have played to her advantage.

Once he was captured, he knew he was done. At this point, he wanted credit.

Notoriety was all he had to hold on to, and he’d actually enjoy the process of telling law enforcement about this crime.

I do agree he wanted credit but I also think he wanted to get caught to prove to everyone he's just as "tough" as any Marine and ain't scairt of nuthin'...Many, many prisons are run in a military fashion and it won't surprise me if he was looking forward to three hots and a cot for the rest of his life.

JMO

 

[mtnlites]

The bedroom in the photo seemed to be his sister's old room. I think their was a website that mistakenly assumed it was where JC had been locked up, but I believe the criminal complaint said JP had a twin size bed in his room, and we saw no photos of that.

Yes, that's what I recall reading as well. Seems that someone took a picture of this room and since it was a sketchy basement room certain news media took the picture and ran with it.

 

[Inthedetails]

This is bugging me. Why would JP go to such great lengths to cover his tracks before and during the crime, and then be stupid enough to keep all the clothing and boots he wore that night? In the CC, he said he had JC remove her clothes when they got to his house so he could burn them and have no evidence. Why didn't he do the same with his own clothes?? Also, he said he told JC to put on his sister's pajamas - only "human" piece of him I've heard so far. However, we don't really have any way of knowing if that is the truth.

Maybe they are his "hunting" clothes....was he on the watch for another victim or planned to in the future? IDK, just guessing.

jmo

 

[Quill]

I wonder if one of the neighbors of the pattersons home was referring to alot of people coming and going in referrence to when the whole family lived there and not referring to the last 88 days?

Interesting thought. Hasn't it been quite a few years since the whole family has lived there, thought? Mom supposedly left when JP was around 11. Am I correct about that? When did Dad officially move his residence from that house and how close was he living?

 

[ab01]

Also I believe that we probably haven't seen leaked photos of the bedroom where JC was held captive bc, more than likely there was nothing to photograph. I would imagine that Forensics probably took most everything in that room to process. I would guess that when LE left that it was nothing more than an empty room.....JMO. I would guess that its highly likely whoever snuck in and took the pictures saw the bed, the boxes, stuffed animals etc in the basement and thought they had something that a sleazy news organization would pay for.MOO

 

[gregjrichards]

This:

Defense attorneys for the man accused of kidnapping a Wisconsin teenager and killing her parents acknowledged Wednesday that they're starting the case at a disadvantage after their client gave detectives a detailed confession and said they're not sure he can get a fair trial in the state.

Makes me: want to bang my head against the wall!

I can see a change of venue request happening if the case goes to trial. I’m hoping his family will convince him to plead guilty for LWOP to spare the Closs family anymore stress and emotional turmoil that a trial will cause.

 

[Hope4More]

"... in this state." implies to me they think they can get a fair trial in another state. Excuse me Mr. Attorneys, could you perhaps tell us which state that might be???

They are his defense attorneys and obligated to do their best to vigorously defend their client. Any chance of "humanizing" him evaporated when the criminal complaint was made public. Any chance of credibly arguing his innocence on any count was demolished when their client immediately and freely confessed his crimes, in great detail, and when the particulars of his confession matched those of his surviving victim's account.

There's no chance an insanity plea will fly, and since this isn't a DP case, mitigation evidence is largely irrelevant. All his attorneys are left with, essentially, is to try to get a change in venue, and an after the fact appellate issue: that he couldn't/didn't get a fair trial because of excessive publicity.

 

[Ibiz]

No, but they have a prosecution side(which would be Closs family) and a defense side (which would be Patterson family). It's highly unusual to not sit on the side you are there for.

I took it as he was trying to show that he was there to support the prosecution, and he was maybe ashamed of his son's crime. I dont see how a baluth can tell you where to sit though.

 

[gitana1]

I'm not saying this just to be contrary but, if both JP's parents worked when the kids were young... something could have happened in a babysitter's home or a child care center or a relative's home, etc. Also, I'm still waiting for confirmation that the kids were placed in foster care and, if so, something could have happened there, too. I'm just seeing JP's family as victims at this point because heredity and congenital anomalies diagnosed or not, can lead to predilections in behavior and is also a possibility imo. I'm especially reluctant to try and place any responsibility on the parents when I don't know anything about the family life; as in, "growing up in the P home."
ETA: Siblings don't, strictly speaking, "grow up in the same environment." Home environments change according to circumstances within the family and from without. Example would be financial burdens may become more influential as more children are born; causing changes in parental character. First child might be planned and dearly loved and fussed over... sibling #3 might be born into a tension filled atmosphere with lots of arguing going on. There are countless variables involved, imo.
JMO

It's weird. In family annihilator type cases I tend to see tons of family dysfunction in their families of origin and a lot of enmeshment. I find them to be super defensive and victim-blaming and excusing or denying that their offspring/sibling did what they were accused of.

But in the case of the weird loner who commits a bizarre atrocity like mass murder, kidnapping (mass shooters and people like Matthew Hoffman, etc.), not so much.

It's variable. Some have family dysfunction. Many have divorces (but so does half the nation). Often there are cognitive, neurological or mental health issues in the offspring. I can see enabling in some, denial in others (and giving access to weapons to their strange kids) but often a lot of attempts to get treatement or diagnoses. Or simply not seeing anything wrong and having no reason to be concerned.

It seems to be much more varied with the murderous loner types.

So until we know more I'm not able to form an opinion as to probabilities about the families of origin like I do in the family annihilator cases.

It will be interesting to see what created this monster. But probably not satisfying. I think we will be left without answers as usual.

 

[Blueberry2720]

Maybe he thought he may need them again.
MOO

Good thought! Perhaps he can use them in jail if he finds a mouse to murder.

 

[Ibiz]

They didn't ask him to move. He was sitting on the correct side. They asked him if they had anymore people coming, to which he sadly said no. They were trying to accommodate the large numbers of press attending by letting them sit in the section reserved for the P family.

Thank you. Got it..

 

[Rubiconbob]

This is bugging me. Why would JP go to such great lengths to cover his tracks before and during the crime, and then be stupid enough to keep all the clothing and boots he wore that night? In the CC, he said he had JC remove her clothes when they got to his house so he could burn them and have no evidence. Why didn't he do the same with his own clothes?? Also, he said he told JC to put on his sister's pajamas - only "human" piece of him I've heard so far. However, we don't really have any way of knowing if that is the truth.

Likely was going to eliminate her At some point... if not quickly then at minimum some point down road.... he wasn’t going to keep her till she’s 5 ft 9 and 18..

Would guess

And also would guess if she can’t be tied to you a lot of stuff was not out of ordinary for Wisconsin... and he’s got no $$$. If he wants to do again... you’ve got the stuff...

Stunned she lasted 90 days ... kudos to her ..
Glad she got out in time, maybe she could tell this only ends in one scenario unless I bolt..