Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #40

[PommyMommy]

https://www.fox9.com/news/jayme-closs-missing-person-billboard-torn-down-to-honks-of-joy
Passing cars and semis honked their horns and other stopped to take pictures as a crew tore down a Jayme Closs missing person billboard along a Wisconsin highway this week. Closs was missing for 88 days, but billboards like this one kept hope alive that she would be found.

“I got to take this down today not far from where she was found,” Will Hartman wrote in a Facebook post on Monday, Jan. 14. “It felt good to take it down knowing she made it. So often it’s not the case. We had people stop and take pictures of us, cars and semi trucks honking their horns. Without words you could feel the joy for this little girl. God bless her and her family and help them in their time of need.”

The billboard Hartman helped take down was in Sarona, Wisconsin, 40 miles south down Highway 53 from the Gordon, Wisconsin cabin that Closs escaped.

 

[moonlessnight]

sure. but I think there is more at play in is psyche and family annihilation is part of his fantasy. I think this only enhances the danger he poses. I don't believe he is as cold and calculating as he wants to appear although I do think he is a psychopath. I think he has no self awareness or understanding of what contributes to his violence and that some of it is very much related to personal experience and retaliation.

He isn't just a creep, abductor and a family annihilator. Is he not a pedophile? I believe that sickness and his obsession with Jayme supersedes every other detail in this story. JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

Jayme Closs missing person billboard torn down to honks of joy
Passing cars and semis honked their horns and other stopped to take pictures as a crew tore down a Jayme Closs missing person billboard along a Wisconsin highway this week. Closs was missing for 88 days, but billboards like this one kept hope alive that she would be found.

“I got to take this down today not far from where she was found,” Will Hartman wrote in a Facebook post on Monday, Jan. 14. “It felt good to take it down knowing she made it. So often it’s not the case. We had people stop and take pictures of us, cars and semi trucks honking their horns. Without words you could feel the joy for this little girl. God bless her and her family and help them in their time of need.”

The billboard Hartman helped take down was in Sarona, Wisconsin, 40 miles south down Highway 53 from the Gordon, Wisconsin cabin that Closs escaped.

At this time last week, I would have told you that I expected to see billboards like that for many years to come.

How quickly things changed.

 

[moonlessnight]

Part of me thinks she heard about the mistaken rescue of herself from earlier in the day and decided to go for it - maybe it gave her strength.

What else stands out to me is JP leaving the radio on in the room when he had company over or left Jayme alone. Certainly the only channels are local and there had to be mention of the Closs case on the radio, wouldn’t you think?!?

I’m hoping that Jayme was hearing the news, knew she was being sought, there was “hope” still shining in Barron.

 

[loveisthemovement]

FYI: Per court record

Wisconsin Circuit Court Access
01-16-2019
Notes
Additional text:
01/14/2019 Probable Cause Statement/Judicial Determination unsealed with redactions."
BBM

Is this different from the Criminal Complaint? If so, wonder where it can be found.

 

[moonlessnight]

exactly. developmentally stunted and under the authority of his father, at 21.

Agree. There are many childlike aspects to his actions (after the murder/abduction). I’m curious why he unloaded the shells and placed the shotgun in the trunk of one of the cars on the property, a white vehicle. Is that where it was kept? He later said in the complaint that he didn’t know if it was still in that vehicle or if his Dad bought it into the house.

And speaking of Dad’s visits to the house, from the pics published, doesn’t it look like there was work being done in many of the rooms (ceiling, esp)? Maybe his Dad was doing the labor.

 

[thesnowflakesparkles]

There is film footage of him with his dogs. He seems really quite affectionate with them. Of course, in the end, he had them killed when he took his own life, so who knows.

Do you happen to have a link to this? I haven't seen this anywhere and web search didn't lead me to a source.

 

[Rubiconbob]

Agreed!

I can’t find the link now, but one of JC’s relatives gave a media interview after her escape/rescue saying something to the effect of James Closs could be tough as nails, and that Jayme clearly got her dad’s toughness .

I personally am not religious, but even so, I’m in awe that Jayme found the courage to escape and that JN, KK, and PK were in exactly the right place at the right time. It really does feel like a miracle.

It does feel like miracle, I would think at some point in 90 days she’s up around house realizes there’s homes around ?? Or he slips up and says neighbor a few times ??

You’d have to think eventually it was fight or flight can’t live under a bed with crazy dude anymore...

I would have never bet a good outcome if that’s who had her...

Was the dad actually visiting or was that wrong... they said home was trash in and out.. I wouldn’t think he let son trash place that bad but maybe that was there normal..

 

[Doghairrules]

This criminal surprises me, why didn't he keep Jayme locked down with plastic ties, chains, padlocks?

1. He thought she was too scared to disobey him.
2. He had a fantasy that she really would want to stay with him.

It is fortunate that he didn't do this, almost as if the fantasy of having his "prize" was more work than he expected. Maybe, he did want her to leave? Or test her obedience to discipline her?

Who knows? Sick psychopath.

I think another reason that others have mentioned is that he enjoyed punishing and terrorizing her. (Think about what happened at her house - he could have put tape over her eyes, but he made sure she watched what he did to her mom.)

I think he loved giving her the chance to disobey so that he could do his big powerful man thing.

 

[Blueberry2720]

Is this different from the Criminal Complaint? If so, wonder where it can be found.

I just Googled Probable Cause Statement/Judicial Decision. Lots of links and info, some specific to WI. Too many to link in here. I advise just doing a search and reading what you need to understand.

 

[Ragnarok]

Part of me thinks she heard about the mistaken rescue of herself from earlier in the day and decided to go for it - maybe it gave her strength.

My only real interest now going forward is learning what triggered Jayme to leave at that point in her captivity. Interesting thought @moonlessnight about hearing of the false report. A lot of good coincidences happened that late afternoon.

 

[IceIce9]

Here are links to the 911 transcript and the criminal complaint:
Jayme Closs found: The 911 transcript - CNN
https://media.channel3000.com/mmm-w...01901141243_1547498223382_29678410_ver1.0.pdf

During the 911 call the dispatcher explains:

In the criminal complaint we learn one of the deputies drove Jayme away from the K house and they passed JTP in his car.

Jayme ended up at the hospital. I think we can conclude Jayme was driven to the waiting EMS vehicle and then to the hospital. At least one police officer spouse chimed in on the thread last night and said that is usually how it is done when a suspect is on the loose in the area in order to to keep EMS personnel safe. Regardless of how Jayme got to the hospital she was taken there as soon as it was safe and she was kept overnight.

MOO.

Protocol for Medics and EMTs is that they not enter a home or structure until LE arrives if there is a suspect in the home or whereabouts unknown.

 

[PayrollNerd]

Regarding the mental heath aspect of the perp. During treatment for my youngest child, the doctor explained to me that the mental disease we were dealing with is like a wheel, all the diagnoses are on it. Where the patient landed on the wheel is the primary diagnosis. The others are there and they are co-diagnosis’s. They all show up at some time or another but the primary one is what you aim to treat. That treatment tends to keep the others in check. Ongoing psych treatment, along with talk therapy so that the mental disease doesn’t escalate, is key to having a successful life.

I strongly suspect this perp slipped by everyone’s radar, as he was quiet when in public, alone at home and in a very rural area.

 

[Evinrude]

Totally agree. Thank you.

Something about hindsight and Monday morning quarterbacking.
I will say that there is no such thing as perfection.
I applaud all personnel that were involved with this crime.

 

[Rubiconbob]

I think another reason that others have mentioned is that he enjoyed punishing and terrorizing her. (Think about what happened at her house - he could have put tape over her eyes, but he made sure she watched what he did to her mom.)

I think he loved giving her the chance to disobey so that he could do his big powerful man thing.

Also think we’re very lucky it wasnt his actual house... it was his dads .. who may visit at anytime... his set up is odd but kinda built for explainability..

If it was his house ... painted windows and a dungeon... we’re probably lucky he couldn’t hold a job ..

 

[ilovechili]

There have been so many fraudulent GFMs that I don’t trust them. In the Indianapolis area there were several different tragedies in the news and two or three fraudulent accounts were set up for each. Whoever was setting them up was just obtaining the facts of the tragedy from the news reports and using these publicized details for their writeup. In one case I saw that the person even misspelled the last name of the victims.

Warnings were given on local news to ensure that any was checked to make sure it was indeed set up by the family. And family members made statements saying that they had NOT set up any accounts at all.

Even on our NextDoor neighborhood site someone made a post asking for donations on behalf of her best friend, saying that she had 3 little girls and had lost her job. She claimed they needed school clothes and supplies, and anyone who wanted to contribute could drop off gift cards or cash at her home and she would deliver to her friend. Many kind neighbors posted that they would like to donate.

Then a few months later she made another post saying that her best friend was being evicted and needed donations because she needed $2500 for rent, deposit, truck rental, etc. Many people posted that they would be drop off donations.

Finally she made another post probably 6 months later, saying her best friend’s apartment building had burned down and they had lost everything. She put a few too many details in this post, saying that her friend’s husband had just been killed by a drunk driver in Iowa the week before while he was on his way to a volunteer mission to rebuild homes of hurricane victims. And now while her friend was grieving the death of her husband and the girls grieving for their father their apartment burned down.

When I read this latest post I thought, wait, what?? She hadn’t even mentioned her best friend’s husband in previous posts. But before I could even process that thought another neighbor posted saying he hadn’t seen anything about an apartment fire on the news. We live in a small suburb and an apartment fire would definitely be huge local news. She replied that her best friend had actually moved to another suburb. Then she posted a picture of a huge fire as “proof.” Well several of the neighbors sleuthed for about five minutes and posted that they found the picture of the fire all over the internet as it was from a huge warehouse fire on the east coast. They posted photos from several news sites to show it was the same picture that she had posted.

She replied that she was sorry to have ‘borrowed” the warehouse fire photo to prove her friend’s fire was true. She added that she wasn’t even going to use a photo but GoFundMe required one so she had to borrow a fire photo. She insisted the apartment fire was real but she had no photo.

Neighborhood sleuthers quickly found that she had been making accounts as well as begging on NextDoor. She promptly took down her posts and accounts but who knows how much money she had collected?

Apologies for the long post but I really despise people who capitalize on good hearted people who donate to fraudulent accounts.

Setting up an account at a local bank is so much safer! People can always mail checks for donations.

Well said and it totally explains how it is abused. Although I am sure there are also very good reasons/things/people it has helped, I do not donate to it.

People are good and want to help but know who you are helping. I have even gotten to the point that I am sorry but some networks that use the sad voice and show a dog looking lonely and saying it is abused, I want to KNOW where that money is going. In our sad nation of this sh*t being legal, it is sad to have to distrust it but I do. I will go to the local pound, save a dog and know I did. Even if a legit non profit big organization how much does administration get and how much goes to help?

is notorious for people, and sadly young adults (and older I suppose) looking for a free ride. Your example of like 3 different things one person was looking for donations for is an alert right there.

To bring this back to the thread, I would not donate to Jayme on and if there is one thing I noticed it is that they in no way ran to it or let anyone set up an account even with regard to the parents' funerals. And I know places have to maybe cover costs and would like to survive and make a profit but 10 percent for a website? A million dollars and they just made a cool $100,000 for doing nothing. People set up the accounts. They simply run a website, to my knowledge.

FB too I do not like the offering of donations on birthdays. I feel bad when friends choose one and I do not donate but again, there is a percentage and a purpose. I can send a check to the person, etc. if close to me. If not, I can help someone in my neighborhood or, as I said, save a dog from the pound.

Longwinded here as well, not the typical conversation but tried to tie it to this case. I have done well and haven't had posts deleted in some time, so hoping this one is okay.

 

[Rubiconbob]

There have been so many fraudulent GFMs that I don’t trust them. In the Indianapolis area there were several different tragedies in the news and two or three fraudulent accounts were set up for each. Whoever was setting them up was just obtaining the facts of the tragedy from the news reports and using these publicized details for their writeup. In one case I saw that the person even misspelled the last name of the victims.

Warnings were given on local news to ensure that any was checked to make sure it was indeed set up by the family. And family members made statements saying that they had NOT set up any accounts at all.

Even on our NextDoor neighborhood site someone made a post asking for donations on behalf of her best friend, saying that she had 3 little girls and had lost her job. She claimed they needed school clothes and supplies, and anyone who wanted to contribute could drop off gift cards or cash at her home and she would deliver to her friend. Many kind neighbors posted that they would like to donate.

Then a few months later she made another post saying that her best friend was being evicted and needed donations because she needed $2500 for rent, deposit, truck rental, etc. Many people posted that they would be drop off donations.

Finally she made another post probably 6 months later, saying her best friend’s apartment building had burned down and they had lost everything. She put a few too many details in this post, saying that her friend’s husband had just been killed by a drunk driver in Iowa the week before while he was on his way to a volunteer mission to rebuild homes of hurricane victims. And now while her friend was grieving the death of her husband and the girls grieving for their father their apartment burned down.

When I read this latest post I thought, wait, what?? She hadn’t even mentioned her best friend’s husband in previous posts. But before I could even process that thought another neighbor posted saying he hadn’t seen anything about an apartment fire on the news. We live in a small suburb and an apartment fire would definitely be huge local news. She replied that her best friend had actually moved to another suburb. Then she posted a picture of a huge fire as “proof.” Well several of the neighbors sleuthed for about five minutes and posted that they found the picture of the fire all over the internet as it was from a huge warehouse fire on the east coast. They posted photos from several news sites to show it was the same picture that she had posted.

She replied that she was sorry to have ‘borrowed” the warehouse fire photo to prove her friend’s fire was true. She added that she wasn’t even going to use a photo but GoFundMe required one so she had to borrow a fire photo. She insisted the apartment fire was real but she had no photo.

Neighborhood sleuthers quickly found that she had been making accounts as well as begging on NextDoor. She promptly took down her posts and accounts but who knows how much money she had collected?

Apologies for the long post but I really despise people who capitalize on good hearted people who donate to fraudulent accounts.

Setting up an account at a local bank is so much safer! People can always mail checks for donations.

Good post, I’d hope all the photos And stories $$$ go to fund for her... also think at some point those around her should boot the press and shut down charity stuff..,don’t think she wants money in 40 yrs to remind her of this ...

Needs 2/4 Christmas Halloween and new memories and chance to not be defined by a nut...

Unless she wants to be victim advocate let her choose, if that’s vet/waitress/school teacher... at some point... let her be her..

 

[Blueberry2720]

Regarding Jayme's ability to think about shoes, etc. --
My gut says she was planning an escape in her head for some time before she actually implemented it. She may have thought through many details, like making sure the red car was gone before leaving the house. It it easy to assume this was a spur of the moment run for freedom, but I would bank on her being more savvy than that.

Some people are more wired for details too. I recall the story of a woman who was abducted several years ago who was driven and taken various places blindfolded. She tried to memorize a few details along the way, thinking it would be valuable WHEN she was able to get away or get help. I don't recall any examples right now (I'll Google it after this post), except for the fact that they took her into a hotel (I think it was) and onto an elevator. By looking down under her blindfold, she could see the floors, so she memorized the type, color, etc. of the lobby floor and the pattern on the elevator floor. She was somehow able to get help and the floor descriptions were key in LE's ability to track down where she was. I remember thinking how smart that was - I do Finance work and am a stickler for details, but I don't think I would ever have thought to do what she did.

We all react differently to stress, fear, trauma, etc., but some people seem to have an inner strength or knack for keeping their wits about them better than others.

 

[Doghairrules]

Aside from meeting friends in school, many small towns have other activities where kids can get together. 4H club, sports teams, county fairs, after school clubs and activities... People are social animals no matter where they live, imo. I won't talk personal stories but.... Remember inseparable best friends forever, Abby and Libby... and they had many other friends, too, in their rural town.

Not to mention Jayme herself took part in multiple activities.

 

[Noharg]

Jayme Closs suspect Jake Patterson's motivations will become clear, defense attorneys say

Apologies if this already has been posted.

Edited to correct grammar