Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #42

[Andreee]

How can he not be?

This is his crime. His actions are being scrutinized, as they should be.

I think what I really meant to say is that I'm surprised there is so much what looks like sympathy expressed towards him by several posters.

 

[Rubiconbob]

With the 4 shot gun shells he had left?
Really? He would have been killed the minute he aimed that shot gun at any Law Enforcement Officer
He was on a suicide mission or, he was fantastical fantasy thinking!
(Like a 5 year old)

My bad. It's "MAGICAL THINKING" according to psychologists.
Moo

3 shells right
6 to start.

1 James
1 denise
1 door

?????

 

[Psychofcrime]

If we understand what shaped him then other families might recognize their mistakes in handling a family member like James before a tragedy.

I so agree. That's why the FBI studies particularly heinous killers. They want to learn from them. It does NOT mean I have even a little sympathy for JP. I have none. Maybe if we learn something we can save the next would be victim. Wishful thinking I suppose.

Does anyone else think he was a little too eager to say I did it! What is the psychology behind that?
MOO

 

[mtnlites]

I think what I really meant to say is that I'm surprised there is so much what looks like sympathy expressed towards him by several posters.

I'm not seeing any actual sympathy, just people trying to gain some kind of understanding. I think that sometimes may come across as sympathy, or as people looking for excuses, but I don't think that's what they are. It would be easy enough to say "he's a monster" and leave it at that, but then not only would the discussion completely shut down, but it would be difficult to talk about future crimes of this nature, too. Everything that is learned about each present or past crime can only assist in solving others in the future.

 

[Bravo]

He did have weapons in the house did he not?

 

[Rubiconbob]

I so agree. That's why the FBI studies particularly heinous killers. They want to learn from them. It does NOT mean I have even a little sympathy for JP. I have none. Maybe if we learn something we can save the next would be victim. Wishful thinking I suppose.

Does anyone else think he was a little too eager to say I did it! What is the psychology behind that?
MOO

Control.. too me he almost wants to jump in squad car.. gimme cuffs.. pen and paper...
Let me tell u quicker way to jail..

Jayme ... control
House ... control

Marines no control
Cheese co. No control

All about control..

Just opinion

 

[mtnlites]

I so agree. That's why the FBI studies particularly heinous killers. They want to learn from them. It does NOT mean I have even a little sympathy for JP. I have none. Maybe if we learn something we can save the next would be victim. Wishful thinking I suppose.

Does anyone else think he was a little too eager to say I did it! What is the psychology behind that?
MOO

I think the dude felt powerful when he was attacking 3 defenseless people blitz-style, or when he was terrorizing a child,but when faced with actual law enforcement (ie., someone else with a weapon), he folded. He's not quite the badass he thought he was, or wanted to be. It also sounds like he wanted to talk, he wanted to tell his story to someone. He seems rather proud of it. Perhaps he enjoyed the idea of the attention he'd receive.

 

[Bravo]

I so agree. That's why the FBI studies particularly heinous killers. They want to learn from them. It does NOT mean I have even a little sympathy for JP. I have none. Maybe if we learn something we can save the next would be victim. Wishful thinking I suppose.

Does anyone else think he was a little too eager to say I did it! What is the psychology behind that?
MOO

IMO he was proud to claim he did it. He was busted and it was important to him to tell LE just how smart he is and blindsided LE. How he committed the crime and got away with it. Until Jayme escaped that is.

 

[MassGuy]

IMO he was proud to claim he did it. He was busted and it was important to him to tell LE just how smart he is. How he committed the crime and got away with it. How he totally blindsided LE. Until Jayme escaped that is.

Yup. That’s all he has to hang on to. Notoriety.

I hope that his fellow inmates rub that in his face for the rest of his life.

He kept Jayme prisoner for 88 days. He’ll be kept prisoner for the rest of his life.

A 13 year old girl beat him at his own game.

Sad.

 

[Psychofcrime]

My brain is spinning. On the one hand, he did everything he could to have no contact with the outside world. But when caught, he is eager to admit to the crime and tell his story. So which is it.... loves the attention or wants no attention?

 

[Andreee]

I'm not seeing any actual sympathy, just people trying to gain some kind of understanding. I think that sometimes may come across as sympathy, or as people looking for excuses, but I don't think that's what they are. It would be easy enough to say "he's a monster" and leave it at that, but then not only would the discussion completely shut down, but it would be difficult to talk about future crimes of this nature, too. Everything that is learned about each present or past crime can only assist in solving others in the future.

ok.

 

[Seenit]

I agree, I'm not surprised he took the time to plan "the perfect crime" as per his statement in the CC. Notice, he didn't say anything about being remorseful, offer any explanation that we know of as to why he did this other than he saw Jayme and knew he was going to take her.

It was important to him to come in military style, big, bad boogey man, kill his targets James & Denise, and take off with his captive. It was a scenario he's probably fantasized over many times and I wonder if he didn't have this abduction style planned out and then ran across Jayme as his 'victim'. I do think her physical traits played into this somehow.

JP went to the house on 2 other occasions, he was a COWARD then, afraid because others were there. He struck the Closs family at their most vulnerable time, in the most shock affecting blitz style because it was always his plan and the only way he could pull it off. He's weak at life and probably always has been. IMO

I have no sympathy for the defendant. I sleep better knowing he's in a cage and will spend the rest of his miserable days there.

All JMO

I couldn't agree more.

 

[The Night Watchman]

I think what I really meant to say is that I'm surprised there is so much what looks like sympathy expressed towards him by several posters.

I haven’t followed close enough to see all the posts, and I’m not sure which ones you are referring to. But I am not offended by posts that try to explain his behavior. Trying to explain is different than sympathy.

I want to learn why this happened.

Because I don’t know.

Edited due to premature posting.

 

[mtnlites]

My brain is spinning. On the one hand, he did everything he could to have no contact with the outside world. But when caught, he is eager to admit to the crime and tell his story. So which is it.... loves the attention or wants no attention?

Both. Wants the public's attention but doesn't actually want to be a part of society.

 

[Quill]

Snipped by me.

Did this actually happen? As far as I know, he sat on the defendant side. The conversation with the Sheriff was simply Sheriff asking him if they were expecting other family members. He said no, so they used the space for press, I believe.

You're correct. It didn't happen. Links were provided here to debunk it but for some reason the need to believe it persists.

 

[deugirtni]

Snipped by me.

Did this actually happen? As far as I know, he sat on the defendant side. The conversation with the Sheriff was simply Sheriff asking him if they were expecting other family members. He said no, so they used the space for press, I believe.

It is what happened, as far as MSM reported:

His father, Patrick Patterson, spoke to CNN's Jean Casarez at the Barron County Justice Center on Tuesday. He said he was there to pass along a note to the Closs family.

"All I care about right now is Jayme's family. I want to get them a note," he said, declining to provide more details on the letter and apologizing for not being able to say more.
"I'm sorry, I can't talk," he said several times, shaking with emotion before a deputy escorted him from the public area.

Patrick Patterson was in the courtroom for his son's arraignment Monday. He was initially seated on the prosecution side, but a deputy asked him to leave and sit on the defense side.

When a judge read the charges and Jake Patterson appeared via video conference, his father sobbed and buried his head into the shoulder of a relative seated next to him. On the prosecution's side, Jayme's family remained calm with arms around each other.

Father of kidnap suspect has a letter for Jayme Closs' family - CNN

 

[1987]

I have no sympathy for JP. I just want to understand what makes him tick. I do have sympathy for his family, at least for now

 

[deugirtni]

You're correct. It didn't happen. Links were provided here to debunk it but for some reason the need to believe it persists.

Possibly because it is what is reported in MSM. How are we picking and choosing which MSM stories are true and which are not?

His father, Patrick Patterson, spoke to CNN's Jean Casarez at the Barron County Justice Center on Tuesday. He said he was there to pass along a note to the Closs family.

"All I care about right now is Jayme's family. I want to get them a note," he said, declining to provide more details on the letter and apologizing for not being able to say more.
"I'm sorry, I can't talk," he said several times, shaking with emotion before a deputy escorted him from the public area.

Patrick Patterson was in the courtroom for his son's arraignment Monday. He was initially seated on the prosecution side, but a deputy asked him to leave and sit on the defense side.

When a judge read the charges and Jake Patterson appeared via video conference, his father sobbed and buried his head into the shoulder of a relative seated next to him. On the prosecution's side, Jayme's family remained calm with arms around each other.

Father of kidnap suspect has a letter for Jayme Closs' family - CNN

 

[Bravo]

Both. Wants the public's attention but doesn't actually want to be a part of society.

And here again we can see how important control is to him. He is in control as to what exactly he will tell us. Forensics and Jayme will tell us some of it but details about himself he will keep to himself. Speaking to the why of it. IMO

 

[Quill]

It is what happened, as far as MSM reported:

His father, Patrick Patterson, spoke to CNN's Jean Casarez at the Barron County Justice Center on Tuesday. He said he was there to pass along a note to the Closs family.

"All I care about right now is Jayme's family. I want to get them a note," he said, declining to provide more details on the letter and apologizing for not being able to say more.
"I'm sorry, I can't talk," he said several times, shaking with emotion before a deputy escorted him from the public area.

Patrick Patterson was in the courtroom for his son's arraignment Monday. He was initially seated on the prosecution side, but a deputy asked him to leave and sit on the defense side.

When a judge read the charges and Jake Patterson appeared via video conference, his father sobbed and buried his head into the shoulder of a relative seated next to him. On the prosecution's side, Jayme's family remained calm with arms around each other.

Father of kidnap suspect has a letter for Jayme Closs' family - CNN

But that is not what happened. He sat with his son on the defense side and they were approached by the officer to ask if they had other family members coming. They simply needed the seating for the large number of media members present. The links for this were provided days ago when this first came up. There were multiple articles with the other story and they were out immediately following the hearing.

ETA: Believe what you want. Not here to argue but I was keeping up with it in real time.

 

[kkdj]

I do think JP feels proud of himself for accomplishing his fantasies in real life. I think he's one of those people that wants everyone to know what he did. It has crossed my mind that the DA might not press some particular other charges (if they don't feel the need to) because he wants the world to know that too. He's impressive.....just ask him.