Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #42

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  • #701
Hormel/ Jennie-O has given Jayme their $25,000 portion of the reward money! CRYING! She deserves this so very much, and it's so kind and benevolent of the company for Jayme and also in memory of their two long-term employees, her dear parents. It can make a huge difference in her future plans and direction. The reward money comes at a cost no girl should ever have to pay, nor her beloved mother and father, but the company didn't have to do this for her.

Jennie-O to donate $25,000 in reward money to Jayme Closs | Daily Mail Online
 
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Thats good point... I said early on ... chubby 27 yr old he ain’t stopping...

If he’s PEDO than it’s in his wheelhouse.
If he’s bat crazy, and this is to get back at mom for divorce/remarry, he’s gonna have to get that age demo...age 15/16 they drive...

I think he’d like to brag about murders for 50 years, if he’s a PEDO that physically went after child, not gonna be much fun for him in prison.

I understand your focus. We know the WHO (Jayme), but we really don't know the why. IMHO.

Could it have been a chubby pre-teen? A slim older teenager? Did he really see her waiting for/getting on her schoolbus? Or did he somehow see Jayme somewhere else? Were her Facebook pictures visible to the world? They were 'open' to me a couple of days ago. Both Jayme and Denise were 'global' in their settings. The Memorial page for Denise and James. Seeing their page makes me hope that whatever plain we end up in, that next dimension of our wondrous Universe, they are smiling down at their loving daughter. I think her mom & dad gave her the push. They helped her at the most opportune time. All MOO IMO.

There are just so many possibilities on how this went down, what took place, and the eventual rescue of Jayme. Facilitated entirely on Jayme making the decision to save herself. That took some serious woman-stones! Is that even a way to say she was the bad-a$$ that wanted to live? (not sure if using regular s's there would fly).

I believe so.

I realize that people are going to ponder all the nitty gritty details. However, will that bring back Denise & James? Will that enliven us knowing what this young child has endured? Come on people. IMO we need to find a way out of this constant need for all of the details. ALL of our focus should be on:

What kind of Memorial Park would be fitting here? Someplace that Jayme could feel at peace, talking to her mommy. Chatting with her daddy. And the rest of the world could feel the empathy flowing out from all of our worldly neighbors.

What do we know about Jayme's past, and current, education plans? What can be done to help her feel safe, and confident, in pursuing her dreams? Whatever we can do to let her resume her life, in this newer normalcy, would show our true compassion. I apologize for this book. I'm just too happy, and sad at the same time, to know what she will face. She is alive. To live her dreams. I wish we could leave her be. I know, I know, the world today doesn't work that way. IMO it should.

What can WE all do to break out of this "need to know it all" cycle?

I do not presume to know that answer.
 
  • #703
I understand your focus. We know the WHO (Jayme), but we really don't know the why. IMHO.

Could it have been a chubby pre-teen? A slim older teenager? Did he really see her waiting for/getting on her schoolbus? Or did he somehow see Jayme somewhere else? Were her Facebook pictures visible to the world? They were 'open' to me a couple of days ago. Both Jayme and Denise were 'global' in their settings. The Memorial page for Denise and James. Seeing their page makes me hope that whatever plain we end up in, that next dimension of our wondrous Universe, they are smiling down at their loving daughter. I think her mom & dad gave her the push. They helped her at the most opportune time. All MOO IMO.

There are just so many possibilities on how this went down, what took place, and the eventual rescue of Jayme. Facilitated entirely on Jayme making the decision to save herself. That took some serious woman-stones! Is that even a way to say she was the bad-a$$ that wanted to live? (not sure if using regular s's there would fly).

I believe so.

I realize that people are going to ponder all the nitty gritty details. However, will that bring back Denise & James? Will that enliven us knowing what this young child has endured? Come on people. IMO we need to find a way out of this constant need for all of the details. ALL of our focus should be on:

What kind of Memorial Park would be fitting here? Someplace that Jayme could feel at peace, talking to her mommy. Chatting with her daddy. And the rest of the world could feel the empathy flowing out from all of our worldly neighbors.

What do we know about Jayme's past, and current, education plans? What can be done to help her feel safe, and confident, in pursuing her dreams? Whatever we can do to let her resume her life, in this newer normalcy, would show our true compassion. I apologize for this book. I'm just too happy, and sad at the same time, to know what she will face. She is alive. To live her dreams. I wish we could leave her be. I know, I know, the world today doesn't work that way. IMO it should.

What can WE all do to break out of this "need to know it all" cycle?

I do not presume to know that answer.
Ha! We’re humans, and we’re on here. We ain’t ever breaking out of the “need to know it all cycle.”

It’s just not in our nature.
 
  • #704
Hormel/ Jennie-O has given Jayme their $25,000 portion of the reward money! CRYING! She deserves this so very much, and it's so kind and benevolent of the company for Jayme and also in memory of their two long-term employees, her dear parents. It can make a huge difference in her future plans and direction. The reward money comes at a cost no girl should ever have to pay, nor her beloved mother and father, but the company didn't have to do this for her.

Jennie-O to donate $25,000 in reward money to Jayme Closs | Daily Mail Online

Happy Crying I presume? This does show that people really do care. A big thank you for your post, and for Hormel/Jennie-O! IMO I think I need to pick up some Hormel products during my shopping later today.
 
  • #705
Ha! We’re humans, and we’re on here. We ain’t ever breaking out of the “need to know it all cycle.”

It’s just not in our nature.

Sadly, you are 100% correct. Hence, the positioning of bathrooms (don't anyone start with me!), bedrooms, basements, and those danged STAIRS!

I guess I am just so worried for Jayme. IMO She deserves a life completely devoid of creeps, weirdos, and gawkers!
 
  • #706
CBSOvernight news reporting JC is set to receive the reward - Jennie-O’s portion !
 
  • #707
I can see a jury field trip to view the space where Jayme was confined. I think it almost has to be seen to be believed, because most adults may not have seen a twin sized bed for many years and don't realize how very small they are.
The totes and weights would add gravitas to the torture of her being trapped thusly in his bedroom as well, IMO.

All JMO.
BBM
I believe the house has been released to the owner, PP.
But, I do think they might bring in a twin bed, totes and weights, to show the jury.
 
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I understand your focus. We know the WHO (Jayme), but we really don't know the why. IMHO.

Could it have been a chubby pre-teen? A slim older teenager? Did he really see her waiting for/getting on her schoolbus? Or did he somehow see Jayme somewhere else? Were her Facebook pictures visible to the world? They were 'open' to me a couple of days ago. Both Jayme and Denise were 'global' in their settings. The Memorial page for Denise and James. Seeing their page makes me hope that whatever plain we end up in, that next dimension of our wondrous Universe, they are smiling down at their loving daughter. I think her mom & dad gave her the push. They helped her at the most opportune time. All MOO IMO.

There are just so many possibilities on how this went down, what took place, and the eventual rescue of Jayme. Facilitated entirely on Jayme making the decision to save herself. That took some serious woman-stones! Is that even a way to say she was the bad-a$$ that wanted to live? (not sure if using regular s's there would fly).

I believe so.

I realize that people are going to ponder all the nitty gritty details. However, will that bring back Denise & James? Will that enliven us knowing what this young child has endured? Come on people. IMO we need to find a way out of this constant need for all of the details. ALL of our focus should be on:

What kind of Memorial Park would be fitting here? Someplace that Jayme could feel at peace, talking to her mommy. Chatting with her daddy. And the rest of the world could feel the empathy flowing out from all of our worldly neighbors.

What do we know about Jayme's past, and current, education plans? What can be done to help her feel safe, and confident, in pursuing her dreams? Whatever we can do to let her resume her life, in this newer normalcy, would show our true compassion. I apologize for this book. I'm just too happy, and sad at the same time, to know what she will face. She is alive. To live her dreams. I wish we could leave her be. I know, I know, the world today doesn't work that way. IMO it should.

What can WE all do to break out of this "need to know it all" cycle?

I do not presume to know that answer.

What a kind and well- thought out post. I agree with you on many of your wishes and observations, hopes and fears regarding different aspects of " the discussion of the details" and Jayme's possible future..

All I can really add is that Jayme and her aunt, her guardian now, are a family unit with her other loving family members, and while we are so gutted over the murders of her parents, I likely think she was already emotionally bonded to her aunt Jennifer.
Also likely, because of those family bonds, her healing will be much different than if she'd had to be placed with a distant relative she didn't know well at all. She will be under her guardian's protection for years to come and I think they will choose to be private citizens again, not forced into any public spotlight due to the crimes committed against the Closs family.

I think most people want to see the justice system in action with the criminal charges against JP, and to know Jayme is doing OK during the process, and then the names will naturally fade from the news and the sensationalized news/ gossip sites.

It's my belief and hope that Jayme can reclaim her anonymity as far as being a survivor of abduction and other violent acts by she and her family not granting any more photos or interviews except maybe for family to issue a final message and possible victim impact statement for her in court if it is allowed, based on what all happens in the coming months with the criminal case.

I think what was released just after her return to her family, those couple of photos and a statement from a few family members, were very helpful to the emotions of most of the country who knew about her ordeal, because the 911 call contained some rather bleak descriptions mixed in with the very strongly good statements. She looked tired and a bit shy but as clean as can be, warm, and with her aunt and dog in the photo which I'm sure most of us saw and were relieved to see after her return.
Do I think we should see more photos of Jayme? ONLY if that's what Jayme truly wants herself. With the understanding of how young and shy she is, and how most survivors feel for years, I doubt it will happen as she heals and reintegrates into her town and friends.

We don't have any right to know anything about her life once the trial is over and final justice has hopefully been served, but some will have a strong desire to know she's fine and thriving and growing. The thing is: What is shown is shown to make people feel better most of the time. It's likely not truly indicative of what her feelings and life is like from day to day for whatever time she needs, which may be years.

The only point you and I diverge on is the perception of a possible Memorial Park created for her. To me, this would follow her for all her life, something most survivors of horrific events don't want, and keep her name in the public eye.
Even though it's a very kind and generous- spirited consideration, it's probably not going to be feasible because she's alive, thus no ' memorial' status exists for her. It's a kind idea, with good intentions, but the situation doesn't lend itself to this in her hometown, IMO.
She might want to do things in memory of her parents later on, and that will be her own memorial to them, if so.

Jayme deserves a calm and quiet private home to finish growing up in and to just be herself, whatever her goals are for her life are privately. JMO, of course, but with knowledge of how this type of recovery hurts for a long time.
I do hope to live long enough to maybe find out, if it's ever publicly stated, that she's gone to college, and maybe later, gotten married like Elizabeth Smart, who seems so very happy with motherhood and having a family of her own now.

JMO, respectfully.
 
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  • #710
Happy Crying I presume? This does show that people really do care. A big thank you for your post, and for Hormel/Jennie-O! IMO I think I need to pick up some Hormel products during my shopping later today.

Thank you for your reply. I agree about supporting Hormel when there's a choice between product brands.
Yes, I shed a few more happy tears for Jayme and for what Hormel has done for her regarding their half of the reward money. We may not ever know what the FBI does or doesn't do with their half, but I wouldn't be surprised if their half goes to her in a trust fund or similar as well.
Just my opinion, respectfully as always.
 
  • #711

This is a very good editorial piece. I didn't even fathom that if/ when JP is convicted of 2 murders, he might not actually be sentenced to LWOP. Setting the various trial scenarios aside as we cannot know what's going to happen....

There's a lot of proactive victim survivor statements in the article, and it was really nice to read in today's world of " tell everyone everything immediately and to he!! with their preferences and privacy needs".

Thank you for finding and posting this. I think it's helpful to read a journalist's opinion when it's rational, balanced and victim survivor protective, and this one really is.
 
  • #712
RSBM

The only point you and I diverge on is the perception of a possible Memorial Park created for her. To me, this would follow her for all her life, something most survivors of horrific events don't want, and keep her name in the public eye.
Even though it's a very kind and generous- spirited consideration, it's probably not going to be feasible because she's alive, thus no ' memorial' status exists for her. It's a kind idea, with good intentions, but the situation doesn't lend itself to this in her hometown, IMO.
She might want to do things in memory of her parents later on, and that will be her own memorial to them, if so.

Jayme deserves a calm and quiet private home to finish growing up in and to just be herself, whatever her goals are for her life are privately. JMO, of course, but with knowledge of how this type of recovery hurts for a long time.
I do hope to live long enough to maybe find out, if it's ever publicly stated, that she's gone to college, and maybe later, gotten married like Elizabeth Smart, who seems so very happy with motherhood and having a family of her own now.

JMO, respectfully.

Now this is a well written piece. And to clarify my messy words, I was attempting to say exactly this. That the memorial would be to Jayme's parents, and she could visit when she was mentally able to do so. We can hope that the future does treat Jayme in a wonderful fashion.
 
  • #713
hmm that would work and make sense. kind of what i was thinking like even a short full wall for a front closet slightly to the west of the front door, etc. partially coming out.
Sorry if this seems so disconnected to the flow of discussion. Just showing @ilovechili a possible room divider at an entry hall.... (Very nice, not retro at all)

https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/306878162081192116/

So there are living areas on both sides of the door. Like what you imagine?
 
  • #714
That kind of makes me laugh because they are among the ones I trust the least. Were the photos identical?

Photos: Inside the house where Jayme Closs was held

CNN published a few of them too, and I think they are the same ones as from the less reputable sources. Not sure if it means that CNN independently confirmed where they were taken, though, or if it just blindly re-published them.
 
  • #715
I am not sure why this picture stands out to me. On the end table it looks like finger nail polish remover is sitting in that bowl. I don't what my point is but it just strikes me as odd - if that is polish remover.

8487372-6588161-Inside_the_main_living_room_is_a_half_finished_game_of_Monopoly_-a-64_1547440386782.jpg
 
  • #716
After reading up on some source material I believe JP might be a loner/isolationist type personality. He definitely exhibits a lot of the signs, although these traits don't necessarily mean a mental health disorder. IMO

JP preferred being alone. He was smart, had a sense of humor, had the social skill set to interact when something 'intrigued' him ie Brain Quiz and wrestling when he was younger, he just didn't want to socialize the same way others do. Nothing wrong with that on the surface and I can see why it didn't raise flashing neon warning signs to family and friends.

Perhaps a trigger towards significant criminal ideas and behavior may have been his failure with the Marines. I believe he came back humiliated after all the 'hype', and delved into the more radical concept of isolationism/misanthrope <by definition a person who dislikes humankind and avoids human society>. I won't post more info on the subject as it may be against TOS but it's like Loner x1000.

JP chose the lifestyle he wanted to live, he made the choice to commit the heinous acts against the Closs family. He has no remorse or empathy, only the disbelief and anger at himself that he really didn't plan the perfect crime after all. That's the problem with these types of perps, they genuinely don't see that they're not the smartest people in the room. Go figure.

This wasn't his parents, the school, bullies, season or society's fault....this is on JP and his very deliberate and calculated brutality towards a completely innocent and unsuspecting family. Lock him up and throw away the key, he deserves the consequences.

JMO
 
  • #717
CBSOvernight news reporting JC is set to receive the reward - Jennie-O’s portion !
Great to hear some positive news for Jayme!
 
  • #718
I am not sure why this picture stands out to me. On the end table it looks like finger nail polish remover is sitting in that bowl. I don't what my point is but it just strikes me as odd - if that is polish remover.

8487372-6588161-Inside_the_main_living_room_is_a_half_finished_game_of_Monopoly_-a-64_1547440386782.jpg

I think it looks like nail polish remover too, but I suspect it's been sitting there for years. Or JP uses it to clean paint off his boots, or something. The other odd detail that strikes me about that photo are the two crockpot-looking things in front of the TV.
 
  • #719
I found the school schedule. 8 - 3:20. The bus schedule could be very different. We don't know if her stop was at the beginning or end of the route.

I'm late to the discussion but while reading this morning about the busses, I remembered our county lists our bus routes for our schools. It lists bus #'s, and pickup/dropoff locations and times. I did a quick search for Barron County and found this link. I didn't spend a lot of time, but I didn't see any that came from her house to the school. Maybe this will help a better sleuth, tho!

https://www.barron.k12.wi.us/cms_files/resources/doc00583320150902123606.pdf
 
  • #720
I think it looks like nail polish remover too, but I suspect it's been sitting there for years. Or JP uses it to clean paint off his boots, or something. The other odd detail that strikes me about that photo are the two crockpot-looking things in front of the TV.
I wonder if the crock pots, nail polish remover, monopoly game, etc., had all been sitting there since the four family members visited on Christmas and he just never cleaned up.

Nail polish remover - I’m wondering if his sister is like me, attempting to paint her nails at last minute before leaving the house, hoping they dry without incident in the car but bringing the bottle with just in case, bumping a nail in the car and mucking it up, then having to use remover as soon as she arrives somewhere.

Crock pots - family bringing food, leaving left-overs for him with the intent Dad will retrieve crock pots at later date.

Monopoly - everyone has different holiday traditions. Perhaps this family plays a game together after the holiday meal.
 
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