WI WI - Kelly Dwyer, 27, Milwaukee, 11 Oct 2013 - #1

[mke2013]

How do we know which PZ is KZ's father? According to Google, there are over twenty people with that name.

I'm not guessing or trying to research random strangers. I know this to be a fact. I probably could answer any question you have about KZ or his family...minus the sinister behavior which was part of his double life.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

He watches babies being raped.

I think that means he IS a monster.
I think it means there is no hope for him.

AT ALL.

True. But I can empathize with someone who knows him based on what he presents to the world considering they had no idea about the featuring children found on his computer. Drugs don't cause that though.
I'd be outraged though as well. It doesn't really matter what else he is or isn't because, what he's into is so dark and unthinkable, it isn't a forgivable crime imo.

The only reason to have any compassion (some specialists or clergy are able to show/give) is if the same was done to him when he was a child and, for reasons not understood, the victim perpetuates the behavior when an adult.
Still, his proclivity for involving children can't be altered so he will remain a threat to children forever.

The was only discovered because he was the last one to see Kelly alive. If that Limewire file thingy is shared, it tells us many more sick people are out there preying on children. Who are the children? Are they kidnapped and tortured? What can be done to save them, to keep this from happening?

 

[CatFancier]

I'm not guessing or trying to research random strangers. I know this to be a fact. I probably could answer any question you have about KZ or his family...minus the sinister behavior which was part of his double life.

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[CatFancier]

While KZ's family's names have now been on the board for a full day without the mod team noticing, I want to remind you all that there is one suspect/POI in this case. There will be no sleuthing of the family at all including where they work or live.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I'm not guessing or trying to research random strangers. I know this to be a fact. I probably could answer any question you have about KZ or his family...minus the sinister behavior which was part of his double life.

I appreciate your insider information, Mke!

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[Woe.be.gone]

Really hate to say this, but this is one of the polar opposite, parallel dimension of one of Arias' fables.

It almost feels fabricated. And it probably is.
The blending of reality and fiction is here and all around us.

All MOO of course.

I'm not sure what you're saying, that someone who knows KZ may not have known about his perverted ways? I'm sure that's possible.

They didn't find any proof of JA's accusations on TA's computer. In this case, they have proof on KZ's computer.
Someone may be trying to minimize what's happened in their own mind because they're shocked and need time to digest what is happening.
Since we don't know KZ, we don't feel that way.

None of this explains where Kelly is though. KZ was the last one to see her and she didn't leave the building at the time he said she left.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

True. But I can emphasize with someone who knows him based on what he presents to the world considering they had no idea about the featuring children found on his computer. Drugs don't cause that though.
I'd be outraged though as well. It doesn't really matter what else he is or isn't because, what he's into is so dark and unthinkable, it isn't a forgivable crime imo.

The only reason to have any compassion (some specialists or clergy are able to show/give) is if the same was done to him when he was a child and, for reasons not understood, the victim perpetuates the behavior when an adult.
Still, his proclivity for involving children can't be altered so he will remain a threat to children forever.

The was only discovered because he was the last one to see Kelly alive. If that Limewire file thingy is shared, it tells us many more sick people are out there preying on children. Who are the children? Are they kidnapped and tortured? What can be done to save them, to keep this from happening?

I am sorry, but I do not have compassion.

It takes a certain will to look at babies being raped, but it takes a worse evil to download, upload, or share that kind of thing.

I would kill them all.

I would not feel regret.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I am sorry, but I do not have compassion.

It takes a certain will to look at babies being raped, but it takes a worse evil to download, upload, or share that kind of thing.

I would kill them all.

I would not feel regret.

Yes, but I don't believe mke2013 is the perp.
If you found out, for instance, that your brother was this person (hypothetical), could you accept and digest the news immediately?
They may be looking for a way around accepting the facts as the information is almost like a death sentence. It forever changes what they have/had with
the person.

 

[secretagent]

Just for the record, KZ is brilliant. He may have the left the drugs to make him appear innocent in more sinister crimes (because who WOULDN'T remove the drugs after questioning). But it may mean he is truly innocent of murder! I don't know what to believe. I know him to be well mannered, gentle, funny and kind. Let this be a lesson about what drugs can do to a person.

A close family
Member of mine works with him. And feels the same. She is dumbfounded about this.


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[mke2013]

A close family
Member of mine works with him. And feels the same. She is dumbfounded about this.


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Thank you for sharing that.

 

[IronyDetective]

In order to give his lawyers a loophole to create a case where people snuck into KZ's apartment after LE visited him the first time. Someone planted the drugs in his apartment and loaded up his computer with kiddy .

The next day when police returned with a search warrant, KZ realized that he's been framed by the real person who is responsible for Kelly's disappearance. That person is most likely Kelly's other boyfriend who nobody has ever met. :facepalm:

How's that?

I like the way you're thinking, Woe, and you've made me reconsider everything I thought I knew to be true about KZ.

I am starting to wonder whether it is possible to hack into another's computer to "plant" information.

What if he really is innocent of the child possession accusation?

That, to me, is truly terrifying.

 

[Annie1004]

Planted kiddie ? I doubt it. Besides LE has ways to determine how and where the was downloaded, etc. These are extremely serious charges without a strong basis of truth. In fact, the child is much more disgusting than being a murder suspect IMO. I am sickened that there are monsters who commit these atrocities, and just as sickened by those who make up the "viewing audience."

Only time will tell if he is indeed guilty of the current charges.

 

[UncannyCanuck]

Given his profession, one possible defense may be that he found it on his company's computer network system (i.e. another employee was responsible for downloading it) and that he gathered it to take it to LE. However, he of all people should understand that the proper course of action is to call in LE rather than gather the evidence yourself and, at the very least, don't take the stuff home.

Just saying.

 

[bettiepageturner]

Ugh, I don't have to echo what everyone's saying about how disgusting this is. I had to stop reading the criminal complaint. I understand the need for transparency etc, but I almost wish they wouldn't publish things like that.. it had URLs/filenames/horrifically vivid descriptions! I hope they have trackers on all the materials mentioned now on the off chance another monster stumbled upon that PDF.

On the bright side, if there is a bright side, could we have a toast for google, who's rolling out something like billions of dollars to add invisible watermarks to images of CP to be able to track its production and distribution? If something exists on the deep web (read up on Tor if you haven't already, scary stuff), it's likely leaked in some way to the regular web.. leading them right back to you, sickos!

 

[Samuke]

Given his profession, one possible defense may be that he found it on his company's computer network system (i.e. another employee was responsible for downloading it) and that he gathered it to take it to LE. However, he of all people should understand that the proper course of action is to call in LE rather than gather the evidence yourself and, at the very least, don't take the stuff home.

Just saying.

From what I understand, they found it downloaded through Limewire, a p2p service. That would mean he couldn't have found it on the company's computer network. This doesn't necessarily mean somebody else didn't use his computer to download it, though. After all, the computer wasn't in his possession when confiscated.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I like the way you're thinking, Woe, and you've made me reconsider everything I thought I knew to be true about KZ.

I am starting to wonder whether it is possible to hack into another's computer to "plant" information.

What if he really is innocent of the child possession accusation?

That, to me, is truly terrifying.

Fat chance.
I was practicing writing fiction and couldn't find the sarcastic icon.

adding ~ Hacking into a computer is possible but not probable on the heels of a missing person case. And KZ just happened to deliver his computer into the hands of the hacker? If this is the case, KZ sure is down on his luck.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Another thing, why would his computer be at a friend's house in the first place? In case LE returned?
What grown man leaves his computer at a friend's house?

Note to self - you never know where you'll find a defense attorney. :sigh:

 

[Samuke]

Another thing, why would his computer be at a friend's house in the first place? In case LE returned?
What grown man leaves his computer at a friend's house?

Note to self - you never know where you'll find a defense attorney. :sigh:

To be fair, I've borrowed a friend's laptop previously, and also my mother's for a while, while I was waiting for parts for my computer. Have also had friends leave the weirdest things at my house on accident.

Actually, what I'm curious about is what's going on with that last text from her phone? Regardless of how honest KZ was about last seeing her at 9, her mother mentioned that text at 10. Wonder if LE are even bothering to find out anything about the guy that text went to, or what the actual contents of that text were?

 

[mke2013]

Does anyone know if KZ was supposed to be at work that Friday morning or did he work from home which was a common practice? I'm just curious if it could be confirmed whether or not it was possible he could have sent the text at 10AM or if that was impossible because he was at work.

 

[bwt42]

Does anyone know if KZ was supposed to be at work that Friday morning or did he work from home which was a common practice? I'm just curious if it could be confirmed whether or not it was possible he could have sent the text at 10AM or if that was impossible because he was at work.

Very important question. I've been looking for the answer from day one. Nothing I've seen has answered it. Le is not putting much out there. Another big question, no video of her leaving the building according to le, how about him leaving?