WI WI - Kelly Dwyer, 27, Milwaukee, 11 Oct 2013 - #1

[thesaint]

Have any of Kelly's friends confirmed that she used drugs? What if that whole story is a lie. Not that I'm saying it's not probable...but you'd have to approach the case from a different angle if she wasn't part of that world.

Well, her mother's initial statements, while not explicitly mentioning drug use, suggest that Kelly's mother was somewhat aware that Kelly wasn't walking the straight and narrow.

I'd imagine that the MKE PD interviewing the staff/patrons at the bar-restaurant that KZ and Kelly were at that night ( and likely frequented on their party nights ) as well as obtaining K's dealer's number from her cell records would provide "independent" confirmation that drugs were being regularly purchased and consumed by Kelly and KZ.

Both the the Milwaukee PD and Kelly's parents seem to be approaching the case in the best possible manner--eyes and mind wide open to all possibilities; which is refreshing in comparison to say the Lauren S case out of Bloomington, IN. Where it has been reported that the parents were in such denial about the possibility of their daughter's drug use that they refused to acknowledge leads/information which were based on the supposition that Lauren had been using substances the night she disappeared.

 

[thesaint]

Does anyone know if KZ was supposed to be at work that Friday morning or did he work from home which was a common practice? I'm just curious if it could be confirmed whether or not it was possible he could have sent the text at 10AM or if that was impossible because he was at work.

Why would it be impossible for KZ to text from Kelly's phone while at work?

 

[mke2013]

Why would it be impossible for KZ to text from Kelly's phone while at work?

I'm just realizing my stupidity on that one! Of course it wouldn't be impossible. I could never be a detective. Thanks for the correction! I'm blaming my lack of thinking abilities on my sleepless nights.

 

[UncannyCanuck]

I'd imagine that the MKE PD interviewing the staff/patrons at the bar-restaurant that KZ and Kelly were at that night ( and likely frequented on their party nights ) as well as obtaining K's dealer's number from her cell records would provide "independent" confirmation that drugs were being regularly purchased and consumed by Kelly and KZ.

I expect both were well known at Allium Restaurant. There is a posting in the Latest News section of their website referring to Kelly as one of their "favorite patrons":

http://www.alliummilwaukee.com

 

[Woe.be.gone]

All this discussion about drugs doesn't offer an answer to why Kelly is missing though, does it? KZ revealed his own drug use, along with Kelly's, to LE. Why would he do that right from the start? Was the reveal before or after LE came back with the search warrant in order to legally search his apartment?

The fact that KZ confessed to LE about their involvement with drugs, how they went about purchasing cocaine while emphasizing Kelly's role in the purchase (which may or may not be true) seems like tmi imo. KZ isn't a kid, he's almost forty years old. Why tell LE anything other than he and Kelly hung out together several times a week? KZ could have easily opted to tell only half the story. He could have said they went out to dinner and were drinking. What motivated KZ to reveal/accuse Kelly, a missing woman, of buying and using cocaine on a regular basis? Why confess to LE the details of your own drug use in the first place? Because you're an honest man?

IMO the reason was meant to be a psychological ploy. A reason to muddy up Kelly's reputation and plant the idea that her life is less than or complicated because she uses drugs. How can we believe KZ now that we have a glimpse into his darker skeletons? His own character/reputation dropped to the lowest level after the discovery of child on his computer was revealed. The evidence found on KZ's computer is real; the evidence about Kelly's drug use came from KZ.

KZ may have thought that by telling LE the story about drugs, LE might be fooled into thinking he's an honest man. In reality, KZ may be a con man, which is why people who know him are stunned to discover his secret life.

Considering the secret life is public now, suspecting KZ is capable of murder isn't such a stretch imo. If KZ was attempting to diminish Kelly's worth, or deflect attention away from himself, by introducing the alleged drug use, the found on his computer can be considered divine reciprocity.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Well, her mother's initial statements, while not explicitly mentioning drug use, suggest that Kelly's mother was somewhat aware that Kelly wasn't walking the straight and narrow.

I'd imagine that the MKE PD interviewing the staff/patrons at the bar-restaurant that KZ and Kelly were at that night ( and likely frequented on their party nights ) as well as obtaining K's dealer's number from her cell records would provide "independent" confirmation that drugs were being regularly purchased and consumed by Kelly and KZ.

Both the the Milwaukee PD and Kelly's parents seem to be approaching the case in the best possible manner--eyes and mind wide open to all possibilities; which is refreshing in comparison to say the Lauren S case out of Bloomington, IN. Where it has been reported that the parents were in such denial about the possibility of their daughter's drug use that they refused to acknowledge leads/information which were based on the supposition that Lauren had been using substances the night she disappeared.

Drug use is one thing. Being missing is another. Both Kelly and KZ used drugs supposedly.
Kelly is missing. KZ is not missing.

In this case, Kelly's drug use Thursday night, if true, doesn't appear to be the reason she's missing. If someone harmed her, and they used drugs too, she didn't cause that person to be missing. See? Shouldn't we be focusing on the suspect's drug use, not Kelly's?
Of all the people who use or have ever used drugs, not too many of them have gone missing from a friend's house.

If drugs were used the night Kelly was last seen by anybody other than KZ, then this case is another example of, and brings attention to, the dangers related to your surroundings and letting your guard down when you use drugs. True. Did the drugs hide Kelly?

 

[UncannyCanuck]

How do they know Kelly used cocaine beyond what KZ told them? Did LE find her DNA on the rolled up bill used to snort it?

Remember her father said she used the email handle "organic guru", which doesn't seem to fit with cocaine use (although there are some organic types that would use weed I think.). Maybe she was just using weed with him (if any drugs at all.)

I don't think anything KZ says should be trusted.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

To be fair, I've borrowed a friend's laptop previously, and also my mother's for a while, while I was waiting for parts for my computer. Have also had friends leave the weirdest things at my house on accident.

Actually, what I'm curious about is what's going on with that last text from her phone? Regardless of how honest KZ was about last seeing her at 9, her mother mentioned that text at 10. Wonder if LE are even bothering to find out anything about the guy that text went to, or what the actual contents of that text were?

I hope this case teaches you not to borrow or lend out your computer!

There's no reason a grown man would leave his computer at a friend's house while in the midst of a friend's disappearance investigation, especially when he was the last known person to see her. All circumstances have to be considered when figuring the odds of any one detail being a coincidence or not.

I'll bet whoever had his computer was supposed to try to 'fix it' somehow. Making this suggestion isn't fair of me though because it sounds as if I'm saying the person must have known what was on the computer too. I'm not.
KZ may have fooled the person by pretending he forgot his computer when he left their house. Maybe KZ thought LE wouldn't bother to track his computer down when or if they returned to his apartment.
KZ may have thought ahead in the case of his computer but was careless about leaving drugs laying around his apartment because they were the lesser of two evils.

Anyone who has access to a phone can send a text using the phone. What better way to attempt to cover your own arse then to make someone believe they heard from Kelly after she was already gone. Afterward, getting rid of the phone. LE will look at Kelly's phone call/text patterns to determine if the 10:00 a.m. text is out of place.

Also the text may be the reason why Kelly's mother claimed she heard from Kelly on Friday morning. She said that someone saw Kelly at 9:00 a.m. Friday morning too. At that time, Kelly's mom was going on good faith that KZ was telling her the truth when he claimed that Kelly left his place at 9:00 a.m. Friday morning. After Kelly's mom put two and two together, she realized the last authentic time she heard from Kelly was probably on Wednesday. She must have felt deep dread upon realizing that KZ most likely sent the last text she previously believed had been from Kelly.

adding ~ I may have the info in the last paragraph mixed up. Do we know if the recipient of the 10:00 a.m. text has been verified? Someone mentioning a guy from Kenosha earlier just came back to me. The same theory applies though, that KZ could have sent the guy in Kenosha a text or may have even sent a text to a false number as, iirc, the number is out of service.
LE would be able to verify the number, when in service last, when out of service, etc. The fact that angle has never been mentioned again probably means it was a dead end. IMO there's no way LE would ignore investigating the OKcupid angle if they believed there was any truth found.
A few strange things happened in Kenosha around the time Kelly went missing though.
Some guy crashed his truck into a house causing flames and serious damage (he wasn't killed), a missing husband from another town was found nearby when he was acting strangely in a rest stop area or McDonalds, along with ties to Kelly's case being mentioned.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Does anyone know if KZ was supposed to be at work that Friday morning or did he work from home which was a common practice? I'm just curious if it could be confirmed whether or not it was possible he could have sent the text at 10AM or if that was impossible because he was at work.

Very important question. I've been looking for the answer from day one. Nothing I've seen has answered it. Le is not putting much out there. Another big question, no video of her leaving the building according to le, how about him leaving?

I left but now I'm back for one last comment (I think) today.
On the subject of thinking about what KZ's schedule was on Friday, good questions and wouldn't it be nice to know.
LE seems to be most concerned with the fact that there's no evidence that Kelly left the building combined with the fact that KZ claims she left.
(I read that landfill searches are planned again for tomorrow, Monday. It was a little blurb in an article that I'm unable to find now. So we'll see.)

Considering all the time being spent to search the landfill, there must be a good reason they continue the effort. I'd like to know though if KZ had a car parked in the garage or if someone he's close to ever used the garage to park their car or let him borrow their car, etc. There's no way LE wouldn't consider this angle too, right? Because both of them, KZ with a concealed Kelly, could have left through the garage iykwim. I wonder how many cameras there are covering the garage. I'm pretty sure there'd be cameras there though as garages can be isolated areas.
If he had a car available to him, he may have left the building when it was dark outside.

 

[Snoods]

There's a rush to scoop but also crappy writing that is unclear. Who said that? She said that. Who is she?

Omg, I make mistakes repeatedly in several areas pointed out in this link. :blushing:
http://mypages.valdosta.edu/mwhatley/writing.htm

:lol: Don't worry, internet grammar police are off tonight, so nobody will be knocking at your door demanding your computer.

Yes, they are so rushed to get stories to print that mistakes are made. And not saying this has happened here, but I also hate when a story will imply something that may not be true just to make it more salacious.

 

[Snoods]

Imo humble opinion, addiction is when you're using lines a couple times a day repeated by a couple more times the same day.
What did he get in return? Why would he supply coke for free to one specific person?
Did they have a sexual relationship? Was it still going strong or did she want to pull away from him?

Lots of guys supply whatever for free to their girlfriends. I never had a man pour me a glass of wine and say, you owe me six dollars, never. When I think about it, that's really not fair. Men who make good money are usually very generous when they like a woman even if just friends. Some of them like throwing their money around because they can and doing so makes them feel successful or admired.

I tend to think if they weren't having a sexual relationship it was probably because she didn't want to. But, he liked her and was still hoping for something to happen between them.

What about one of these scenarios. What if they were having a boyfriend/girlfriend type relationship. Some women can be snoopy (*cough cough* not myself of course) so what if she were doing a little investigating of her new boyfriend and came across the child ?

Or, what if he really liked her but she didn't feel the same way. He discovers she is texting another guy to hook up with and becomes furious. He has been supplying her with cocaine all this time and he feels fed up and angry with her.

 

[Snoods]

I don't really think she found that either. And, even if she did, he was regularly supplying her with cocaine for free. I don't think she would threaten to out him and be without her supply. They were obviously both suffering from addiction (if she in fact was doing lines at his home multiple times a week). Now if the story about her using cocaine is a lie, well then, she would be more apt to move forward and get him in trouble. Maybe it is a lie?! Did family or friends say she likes to experiment with drugs? I'm sure others in her social circle would know. Someone has to know. I wish someone who knew her would answer this question.

Usually people that do drugs like to spend their recreational time with other people that do drugs. If they really were spending that much time together I would lean towards that she was.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

:lol: Don't worry, internet grammar police are off tonight, so nobody will be knocking at your door demanding your computer.

Yes, they are so rushed to get stories to print that mistakes are made. And not saying this has happened here, but I also hate when a story will imply something that may not be true just to make it more salacious.

I don't believe it has happened here either. There aren't too many reports about steps being taken to find out what happened to Kelly besides the landfill is being thoroughly searched. We know that KZ has been arrested two times from discoveries police made while they were in the process of investigating Kelly's case. Can't blame the media for reporting those unrelated discoveries. Actually, the drugs found are somewhat related to the case according to KZ himself.
No one has to try to make the second reason he was placed under arrest salacious. The nature of what was found speaks for itself.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I tend to think if they weren't having a sexual relationship it was probably because she didn't want to. But, he liked her and was still hoping for something to happen between them.

What about one of these scenarios. What if they were having a boyfriend/girlfriend type relationship. I've heard some women can be snoopy (*cough cough* not myself of course) so what if she were doing a little investigating of her new boyfriend and came across the child ?

Or, what if he really liked her but she didn't feel the same way. He discovers she is texting another guy to hook up with and becomes furious. He has been supplying her with cocaine all this time and he feels fed up and angry with her.

Snoods, good thinking. These ideas have already been suggested. Who knows?

We tolerate repeats around here though as you can probably tell when reading my posts!

 

[Snoods]

True. But I can empathize with someone who knows him based on what he presents to the world considering they had no idea about the featuring children found on his computer. Drugs don't cause that though.
I'd be outraged though as well. It doesn't really matter what else he is or isn't because, what he's into is so dark and unthinkable, it isn't a forgivable crime imo.

The only reason to have any compassion (some specialists or clergy are able to show/give) is if the same was done to him when he was a child and, for reasons not understood, the victim perpetuates the behavior when an adult.
Still, his proclivity for involving children can't be altered so he will remain a threat to children forever.

The was only discovered because he was the last one to see Kelly alive. If that Limewire file thingy is shared, it tells us many more sick people are out there preying on children. Who are the children? Are they kidnapped and tortured? What can be done to save them, to keep this from happening?

Investigators do amazing things these days to track down the people and children in those videos. They tracked down one boy because of a toy he was holding. Another because of the bedspread. Another because of the television show that was on tv. It's incredible. I'm hopeful that they will be able to rescue the children and arrest those monsters.

 

[Snoods]

Ugh, I don't have to echo what everyone's saying about how disgusting this is. I had to stop reading the criminal complaint. I understand the need for transparency etc, but I almost wish they wouldn't publish things like that.. it had URLs/filenames/horrifically vivid descriptions! I hope they have trackers on all the materials mentioned now on the off chance another monster stumbled upon that PDF.

On the bright side, if there is a bright side, could we have a toast for google, who's rolling out something like billions of dollars to add invisible watermarks to images of CP to be able to track its production and distribution? If something exists on the deep web (read up on Tor if you haven't already, scary stuff), it's likely leaked in some way to the regular web.. leading them right back to you, sickos!

BBM I wish google wouldn't announce to the world that they do that! Why do it and then tell the pervs what they are doing to trap them? I would think the pervs would just find another way to share their CP since they know what google is doing.

 

[Snoods]

Does anyone know if KZ was supposed to be at work that Friday morning or did he work from home which was a common practice? I'm just curious if it could be confirmed whether or not it was possible he could have sent the text at 10AM or if that was impossible because he was at work.

From what I've read Kelly's mom said she wasn't supposed to be at work until Saturday.

 

[Snoods]

I don't believe it has happened here either. There aren't too many reports about steps being taken to find out what happened to Kelly besides the landfill is being thoroughly searched. We know that KZ has been arrested two times from discoveries police made while they were in the process of investigating Kelly's case. Can't blame the media for reporting those unrelated discoveries. Actually, the drugs found are somewhat related to the case according to KZ himself.
No one has to try to make the second reason he was placed under arrest salacious. The nature of what was found speaks for itself.

Sorry to be confusing, I was actually referring to another case that I was following about the salacious reporting! It left a bad taste in my mouth. I should have been more specific.

 

[Snoods]

Snoods, good thinking. These ideas have already been suggested. Who knows?

We tolerate repeats around here though as you can probably tell when reading my posts!

Oh shoot I'm sorry! I usually try to read the whole thread before I post but I must have skipped a few :blushing:.

I love your posts! Always well-thought out and interesting!

 

[mke2013]

From what I've read Kelly's mom said she wasn't supposed to be at work until Saturday.

I was inquiring about KZ's work attendance that day, not Kelly's. I was already aware that she wasn't scheduled until Saturday but thank you.