WI WI - Kelly Dwyer, 27, Milwaukee, 11 Oct 2013 - #1

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I noticed there was a search scheduled today, Saturday, at McKinley Marina.

For some reason, on WS page 19, my 'thanks' button stuck.
On page 20, it worked without refreshing. I've had to refresh after almost every time I hit 'thanks' lately to use the feature again. ???? :banghead:

Was the search planned for Saturday, today?

Or for Saturday, next weekend, November 16th?

TIA...:seeya:

ETA... Jeez... :doh:... I just re-read the posts above... search was for Saturday... Today... wonder if any clues were found? :waitasec:
 
I just googled McKinley Marina...

It is a public marina in Milwaukee, WI...

On Lake Michigan...

FYI...
 
Probably very few boats still docked at this time of year in Milw. Anyone launching would most likely be noticed. Maybe searching the marinas waters.
 
Taking this one step further, loading a large tote with gear/sails or large cooler with ice onto a boat would not seem unusual and could be quite heavy, requiring a hand truck or similar to transport. Even if he didn't have a boat or a friend with a boat, many public marinas offer rentals. I wonder if LE has looked into whether he may have rented a boat around the time of Kelly's disappearance.

I also wonder whether, faced with such bleak possibilities, KZ may try to hurt himself. Mke2013 - any thoughts on this?
 
Taking this one step further, loading a large tote with gear/sails or large cooler with ice onto a boat would not seem unusual and could be quite heavy, requiring a hand truck or similar to transport. Even if he didn't have a boat or a friend with a boat, many public marinas offer rentals. I wonder if LE has looked into whether he may have rented a boat around the time of Kelly's disappearance.

I also wonder whether, faced with such bleak possibilities, KZ may try to hurt himself. Mke2013 - any thoughts on this?

The possibility that KZ may harm himself sounds like a valid one...

I hope MKE can shed light on this aspect...

JMO
 
Ah, if the computer containing the CP were in fact at someone else's house then possession is not as clear as one would hope. Courts have repeatedly pointed to "dominion and control" as vital elements to any charge of legal possession.

Without a confession from KZ on the CP possession, they'll likely have a difficult task proving "beyond a reasonable doubt" that he possessed the CP given that he lacked "dominion and control" of the computer containing the CP.

They can/do jump through evidentiary hoops to imply/prove KZ's dominion and control of the computer at a time when the CP was on it and thus possession. But a good (read: well-funded) defense team is likely to be able to parade through a string of computer forensic experts who would poke holes in the prosecution's claims. Password protected computer, digital breadcrumbs, date-time stamps, etc--all of which can be spoofed and compromised. I think that's why LE, despite having long, digital evidentiary trails connecting specific IP's to specific file DL's, often run simultaneous busts on a large number of CP suspects at the same time--so they can catch them in physical possession of the goods

An ancillary consideration is that relative to most of the CP arrests one reads about--where 10's of thousands of files /terabytes of CP are found in a single sicko's possession--KZ's CP collection of 23(?) files barely qualifies as a collection--as offenisve and disgusting a collection as it apparently was.

It's also possible that given the EXTREMELY demented nature of the CP KZ had, that he wasn't necessarily into CP. KZ also apparently had multiple adult GF's?

It's possible that KZ's interest in those specific files was an ephemeral one of a sorta cyber-rubber-necking at a horrific event--like an ********* type interest. Also, the files were found in the default download directory for Limewire. Possibly suggesting he had a one time, disgusting interest that he hopefully didn't follow up on.

No doubt the police and forensic psychiartists and CP experts will be able to determine-- based on other files on KZ's computer/his internet browsing history etc--what KZ's overall/on-going interest in CP was. And given the challenges of proving possession, they might decide to prosecute or not based on their evaluation of why he had those files.

Please skip my post if you don't want to know any details of the child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 found on KZ's computer.

Full disclosure I had to look up what "ephemeral" meant :blushing:. But how many among us have downloaded one, much less 23 videos of children getting raped just because you were curious? Including multiple videos of a two yo baby girl repeatedly raped, tied up, sobbing, day after day? I guess I don't understand what you're saying. Should he get a pass on the violent child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 if he has 1000 videos of puppies and kittens playing in fields of bluebonnets? How do you have a "one time" interest 23 times? Does it really matter "why" he had the files? What would be a good reason for having child 🤬🤬🤬🤬? To me it seems as if his drug and CP interests were worsening. He even admitted to being a damaged person.

I'm saddened that this thread isn't more about Kelly and less about defending KZ.
 
Taking this one step further, loading a large tote with gear/sails or large cooler with ice onto a boat would not seem unusual and could be quite heavy, requiring a hand truck or similar to transport. Even if he didn't have a boat or a friend with a boat, many public marinas offer rentals. I wonder if LE has looked into whether he may have rented a boat around the time of Kelly's disappearance.

I also wonder whether, faced with such bleak possibilities, KZ may try to hurt himself. Mke2013 - any thoughts on this?

Do you know if there are surveillance cameras around the marina?

Maybe... KZ was caught on video footage at that location?

TIA... :seeya:
 
Probably very few boats still docked at this time of year in Milw. Anyone launching would most likely be noticed. Maybe searching the marinas waters.

Does Scott Peterson come to anyone's mind besides me?
 
Just asking a question... If any WSer knows...

Is there some kind of website showing boat registrations.... Similar to house websites?

:dunno:
 
Ummm...if KZ had a boat, I'm afraid to ask, what would he name it?:drumroll:
 
Probably very few boats still docked at this time of year in Milw. Anyone launching would most likely be noticed. Maybe searching the marinas waters.

Yes, now they are gone, but the weekend of October 12th I believe there were still quite a few boats docked.
 
To the horror and shame of my family we have found ourselves with a family member in the same situation as KZ regarding CP charges. We were totally blind sighted and continue to be devastated. His case is not finished, we have not been able to talk to him about anything "relevant" but it is our understanding in his case, that charges can run concurrent and most likely he will never be released. Smart, successful, fun, family man. Family has bi-polar emotions: we love him but he is where he belongs. Thru therapy and reading we are trying to understand what makes someone go "there", and how we could have someone this close, be this far into the darkside and no one had a clue. God bless those that monitor this evil on the internet.

I am so sorry at what you are going through nanwv. I can't even imagine the shock of finding out something like that. I don't think this is something you could have prevented even if you had known about it. I have nothing but immense sympathy for what you and your family are going through.
 
Thanks all you fellow WSers for the marine ownership/registration sites...

You all ROCK! :rocker:
 
It looked to me that we have to pay to get info. Regarding where it is docked...

Did any WSer find out where it is moored/docked?

TIA...:seeya:
 
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