WI WI - Kelly Dwyer, 27, Milwaukee, 11 Oct 2013 - #1

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Well, I found the link to the pdf files for the missing poster. I don't have a printer and I don't have any money to print them at the library or I would do so.

So, I'm frustrated. At this point the most it seems I can do is to share the pdf link with people online who are interested in passing them out.

I don't drive , so I wouldn't be able to pick any up from say "headquarters".

My DIL and I are willing to walk the south/south east neighborhoods posting posters up. If I could figure out how to get some printed up. :banghead:

In the meantime, I will keep sharing the pdf.

I would gladly take part in foot searches if transportation was available to me to get to the search sites.

This is very frustrating to me because here I am ready, willing but not able, it seems , to help.

Bless your heart, Justice, for being so dedicated to finding Kelly! :heart:

 

[Justiceforever]

Bless your heart, Justice, for being so dedicated to finding Kelly! :heart:

TY IHKC! I need all the blessings I can get

I get goosebumps thinking about how, if it were my child, I would want the whole world helping me look for them!

 

[J Block]

I'm unsure of the pulpy angle. Although I am absolutely aware that even the most "upstanding' and "nice" guys are capable of violence, particularly under the influence of drugs and alcohol, I'm wondering if A. she took a couple vicodin to come down and it fatally interacted with the alcohol or B. (as a previous poster suggested) She was up all night. KZ said, "okay, I gotta do some work, TTYL", and maybe she went to her dealer for more and weirdness happened, let down the "sketchy dude" guard on OKC, or even checked out Craigslist for people down to to party. From my own experience, people on coke can and will make the stupidest, riskiest decisions ever to keep partying. Not to victim blame, that's just the evilness of the drug.

I don't know who said a few 8-balls a week is casual use. While it doesn't necessarily mean they're hope-to-die addicts, that amount definitely impacts one's life both physically, socially and emotionally.

You bring up a lot of great points. I also was looking at angles that pertained to the IF, she actually did leave KZs. KZ is the only mentioned POI, but w/ the only i. o presented, its hard to expand on any other potential theories.

I looked at the possibility of drug interactions as well. I'm strictly going w/ the info presented in the criminal complaints. IMO, I'd think they'd opt to use weed as a come down. I'm looking way too deep into this, but I guess it would depend on if the weed is a sativa or an indica. There was no mention of any benzos being found. From my work/life experiences, benzos are typically the preferred choice of a comedown from stimulants. That's not to say that either one didn't possess a script for a benzo. I totally agree w/ you, and its my opinion that the most common way of OD'ing involves the use of opiates. Opiates and alcohol especially. IIRC, they found 8 Vic, and 1 oxy (assumedly - perc). IMO, depending on her tolerance, it would take A LOT (meaning quantity of pills) of Vicodin to OD, considering its low mg to mg versus oxy. IMO, the high amounts of acetaminophen found in Vic mixed w/ alcohol is more dangerous. Do we even know if there were any statements made concerning the consumption of alcohol?

I know I'm probably speaking Greek to most of you, and probably seem like I'm babbling on about getting too far into the thinking of the alleged substance usage that evening/morning. To ME, its important if we're looking at the possibility of an OD, the possibility of needing to get rid of a body, and why one may irrationally think to dispose of someone who OD'd as opposed to calling EMS. Again, I'm not stating that this is what occurred, nor am I being accusatory towards any one individual, its just details I would look at due to my experience working VICE, and investigating Major Crimes.

IMO, a few 8 balls a week is not casual use. The only way it MAY be considered "casual use", is if we're talking about a group (several people) of seasoned drug users, and a whole weekend of partying. Again, JMO.

Without a body, a toxicology report, this is all conjecture. Let's just hope there is no body, and no need for a tox report, and this girl is somewhere alive and safe.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

You bring up a lot of great points. I also was looking at angles that pertained to the IF, she actually did leave KZs. KZ is the only mentioned POI, but w/ the only i. o presented, its hard to expand on any other potential theories.

I looked at the possibility of drug interactions as well. I'm strictly going w/ the info presented in the criminal complaints. IMO, I'd think they'd opt to use weed as a come down. I'm looking way too deep into this, but I guess it would depend on if the weed is a sativa or an indica. There was no mention of any benzos being found. From my work/life experiences, benzos are typically the preferred choice of a comedown from stimulants. That's not to say that either one didn't possess a script for a benzo. I totally agree w/ you, and its my opinion that the most common way of OD'ing involves the use of opiates. Opiates and alcohol especially. IIRC, they found 8 Vic, and 1 oxy (assumedly - perc). IMO, depending on her tolerance, it would take A LOT (meaning quantity of pills) of Vicodin to OD, considering its low mg to mg versus oxy. IMO, the high amounts of acetaminophen found in Vic mixed w/ alcohol is more dangerous. Do we even know if there were any statements made concerning the consumption of alcohol?

I know I'm probably speaking Greek to most of you, and probably seem like I'm babbling on about getting too far into the thinking of the alleged substance usage that evening/morning. To ME, its important if we're looking at the possibility of an OD, the possibility of needing to get rid of a body, and why one may irrationally think to dispose of someone who OD'd as opposed to calling EMS. Again, I'm not stating that this is what occurred, nor am I being accusatory towards any one individual, its just details I would look at due to my experience working VICE, and investigating Major Crimes.

IMO, a few 8 balls a week is not casual use. The only way it MAY be considered "casual use", is if we're talking about a group (several people) of seasoned drug users, and a whole weekend of partying. Again, JMO.

Without a body, a toxicology report, this is all conjecture. Let's just hope there is no body, and no need for a tox report, and this girl is somewhere alive and safe.

Actually... Your analysis of the drugs/alcohol consumed by Kelly and KZ is appreciated in light of your experience in VICE in LE...

The possibility of an accidental OD, IMO, can not be eliminated at this point... And may be a valid scenario...

JMO

 

[fernia]

Morning Greetings ....I happened upon this site as I tried to get more back story on Kelly's disappearance. Boy, this site was just what I was looking for and am now reading it multiple times daily. Thanks to all of you for the wealth of information !

One thing I've noticed is that the tv and radio reporters are now pronouncing KZ's lat name as Zah-koe. Is that correct or is it pronounced as it's spelled....Zoe-koe? Important detail that should be gotten right, I would think.

Another question for EASTSIDECHIK .....thanks for the info on the building where Kelly was positively seen entering (via camera) and her last known whereabouts. Can you detail the fire escape setup ?

And lastly, much has been made of seeing Kelly entering the building....what time was that? And , was she alone ?
..

 

[Justiceforever]

Morning Greetings ....I happened upon this site as I tried to get more back story on Kelly's disappearance. Boy, this site was just what I was looking for and am now reading it multiple times daily. Thanks to all of you for the wealth of information !

One thing I've noticed is that the tv and radio reporters are now pronouncing KZ's lat name as Zah-koe. Is that correct or is it pronounced as it's spelled....Zoe-koe? Important detail that should be gotten right, I would think.

Another question for EASTSIDECHIK .....thanks for the info on the building where Kelly was positively seen entering (via camera) and her last known whereabouts. Can you detail the fire escape setup ?

And lastly, much has been made of seeing Kelly entering the building....what time was that? And , was she alone ?
..

I don't have the answer to your questions. I just wanted to say welcome to Websleuths, it's an amazing community to belong to.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Morning Greetings ....I happened upon this site as I tried to get more back story on Kelly's disappearance. Boy, this site was just what I was looking for and am now reading it multiple times daily. Thanks to all of you for the wealth of information !

One thing I've noticed is that the tv and radio reporters are now pronouncing KZ's lat name as Zah-koe. Is that correct or is it pronounced as it's spelled....Zoe-koe? Important detail that should be gotten right, I would think.

Another question for EASTSIDECHIK .....thanks for the info on the building where Kelly was positively seen entering (via camera) and her last known whereabouts. Can you detail the fire escape setup ?

And lastly, much has been made of seeing Kelly entering the building....what time was that? And , was she alone ?
..

:welcome: Fernia! :seeya:

The pronunciation of KZ's last name seems important to me, too..

JMO

 

[Oploc2005]

:welcome: Fernia! :seeya:

The pronunciation of KZ's last name seems important to me, too..

JMO

Today after talking to building manager we found out cameras are time lapsed it is very possible Kelly left without being seen on film.
My organization and the father and some volunteers are on our way to Richfield, Wisconsin to put fliers up and look around area in which Zocco is residing now
Meeting at 1:30pm TNT TRUCK STOP

2900 State Rd 167
Richfield, WI 53076

 

[Oploc2005]

Bless your heart, Justice, for being so dedicated to finding Kelly! :heart:

Meeting at 1:30pm

Richfield Truck Stop

2900 State Rd 167
Richfield, WI 53076

Posting fliers and looking around town

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Today after talking to building manager we found out cameras are time lapsed it is very possible Kelly left without being seen on film.
My organization and the father and some volunteers are on our way to Richfield, Wisconsin to put fliers up and look around area in which Zocco is residing now
Meeting at 1:30pm TNT TRUCK STOP

2900 State Rd 167
Richfield, WI 53076

Thank you for the information regarding apartment cams...

And... Thank you for checking in with us regarding your searching...

and... please stay safe...lease:

 

[UncannyCanuck]

Today after talking to building manager we found out cameras are time lapsed it is very possible Kelly left without being seen on film.

Well this certainly adds a wrinkle.

I'd say now that the coke dealer (remember, KZ sent Kelly to buy it) and the Kenosha man she may gave contacted via a cell phone on the Friday morning are both very viable POI's if Kelly made it out of the building alive. The theory that she may have wanted to keep partying fits - coke users (especially habitual users (e.g. two eight balls a week)) don't want to stop once they get going and she didn't have to work on the Friday. As others have suggested in this thread, she may have been trying to find more and that search may have led her into a situation she wasn't able to control.

My sense is that the coke dealer is a better lead. The Kenosha man who disconnected his phone so quickly sounds more like a married guy who was on OKCupid looking for something on the side and wanted to avoid being found out by his wife by terminating the means of contact he had with Kelly.

I wonder if there are any women in Kenosha who noticed their husband mysteriously "lost" his phone around the time the phone was disconnected?

Also, as despicable as the crimes KZ is accused of are, he is innocent until proven guilty and all possibilities as to what may have happened to Kelly must be explored.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I don't have a clue as to how KD & KZ defined their relationship. The most disturbing thing to me if it is true is KZ's statement that she never came to his place and didn't do drugs. This is all incomprehensible to me. When my wife & I married Ozzie & Harriet slept in different beds. Today on tv they go to bed on the first date. Have no idea what men & women expect of each other today.

Everything and nothing, if that makes any sense. :scared:

 

[UncannyCanuck]

The most disturbing thing to me if it is true is KZ's statement that she never came to his place and didn't do drugs.

If this is what KZ said, then obviously his story is not lining up with the evidence that she was seen on security camera going into his building. No wonder he is a POI.

 

[bwt42]

Today after talking to building manager we found out cameras are time lapsed it is very possible Kelly left without being seen on film.
My organization and the father and some volunteers are on our way to Richfield, Wisconsin to put fliers up and look around area in which Zocco is residing now
Meeting at 1:30pm TNT TRUCK STOP

2900 State Rd 167
Richfield, WI 53076

Can someone explain what "cameras are time lapsed" means? What is their purpose if not to record what is going on?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Samuke, second paragraph from this link - http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?id=9301869 ~

"The night Kelly Dwyer disappeared, her boyfriend told Milwaukee police they went to dinner at a restaurant across the street from his apartment, then went to purchase cocaine. He then told police she left his apartment the next morning and she was fine."

When I post my thoughts, I try to incorporate info the media reported to the public. What more can I do?

Furthermore, as a woman, I attempted to place myself in Kelly's position and, based on what her mother said, I formulated a scenario about what may have been going on between Kelly and KZ. I realize this method doesn't present facts.

Regarding the real girlfriend subject, there have been claims that KZ has a gf who isn't Kelly, thus his "real" girlfriend. I've not heard from or seen this woman. While in a mood the other day, I posted "real" girlfriend meaning not the "fictitious" girlfriend (Kelly) as KZ would have LE believe (based on what he has allegedly told them). Regardless of what KZ told LE, the media reports KZ as Kelly's boyfriend, and Kelly's mother believes that KZ was Kelly's boyfriend because that's how Kelly referred to him. At this point in time, everybody wishes that never was true.

If the person who considers herself to be KZ's girlfriend wants people to understand that she exists, she needs to come forward. I only suggested that if she does come forward, KZ may not refer to her as his girlfriend the same way he denies ever being Kelly's boyfriend.

 

[UncannyCanuck]

Can someone explain what "cameras are time lapsed" means? What is their purpose if not to record what is going on?

I interpret it to mean that they take images periodically (say every 10 to 30 seconds), during which time someone could pass the cameras unseen on playback.

The purpose of this would be to reduce the amount of data that needs to be stored.

 

[UncannyCanuck]

If the person who considers herself to be KZ's girlfriend wants people to understand that she exists, she needs to come forward. I only suggested that if she does come forward, KZ may not refer to her as his girlfriend the same way he denies ever being Kelly's boyfriend.

Putting myself in this person's shoes I can see that she may be reluctant to come forward. She may be hurt and embarrassed by the news that her boyfriend may be have been involved with another woman and may not want to have the spotlight on her.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I'm unsure of the pulpy angle. Although I am absolutely aware that even the most "upstanding' and "nice" guys are capable of violence, particularly under the influence of drugs and alcohol, I'm wondering if A. she took a couple vicodin to come down and it fatally interacted with the alcohol or B. (as a previous poster suggested) She was up all night. KZ said, "okay, I gotta do some work, TTYL", and maybe she went to her dealer for more and weirdness happened, let down the "sketchy dude" guard on OKC, or even checked out Craigslist for people down to to party. From my own experience, people on coke can and will make the stupidest, riskiest decisions ever to keep partying. Not to victim blame, that's just the evilness of the drug.

I don't know who said a few 8-balls a week is casual use. While it doesn't necessarily mean they're hope-to-die addicts, that amount definitely impacts one's life both physically, socially and emotionally.

I think I said, a few lines three times a week doesn't an addict make. The habit could lead to an addiction over time. I don't know what an 8-ball looks like.
But, I came of age in the seventies and, some of you may know, it was during this decade when everything began to change within the mainstream population, thanks to the sixties happening first.
I believe the saying was, "sex, drugs and rock and roll". The era probably encompasses the sixties and seventies.

By the mid to late seventies, disco dancing was all the rage. I remember going to clubs where cocaine was available. It seemed like alcohol and cocaine were the main drugs during that era (prior was pot, although never went away, psychedelics and downers).
Some people I knew, two in particular who were a couple, both very attractive and, in particular, the male was considered to be a very cool dude (a friend to all type of guy, beloved, I'd say) became addicted to cocaine.
All I can say is their transformation was dramatic.
The drug took both of them over completely. They were unrecognizable skeletons of their old selves.
Other recreational drug users tried to help them and shake them into reality but, for a time, they remained on an island of their own.
Miraculously they both survived and eventually got clean but the male never recovered fully. Not long after attending his thirtieth high school reunion, he took his own life.
So many people were shocked and saddened when they heard the news but, for some reason, he decided to not go on with his life.

Based on witnessing what real addiction looks like, at this point, I wouldn't classify Kelly that way.
Time may have changed that of course.
But I knew many Kelly's back in the seventies who dabbled but never developed an addiction.
The reasons are a mystery as to who does or doesn't; same goes for alcohol.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I'm having the most difficult time here today. I refreshed four times for one 'thanks'.

Having almost caught up, may I ask a question while peeps are here?
Why are peeps assuming that KZ told LE the truth regarding Kelly's drug use?
Plus, if he didn't want LE to discover he's involved with drugs, so much so that he'd dump a person who overdosed (instead of calling 911), why tell LE about their drug use with emphasis on Kelly's use?
Why go to all the trouble of getting rid of someone you didn't mean to or kill directly, and then lay out all the details for LE about the drug use? Makes no sense.
KZ may as well say where he put Kelly then. If soon enough, toxicology would tell the story and support this theory. Otherwise, its hocus-pocus imo.

I've been called out for illogical thinking before (Gemini rising so not my fault!), but is believing KZ's claims either logical or wise?

lol - I just noticed no one is here with me. Hello three guests, please join and share your thoughts. You're not no one!

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Today after talking to building manager we found out cameras are time lapsed it is very possible Kelly left without being seen on film.
My organization and the father and some volunteers are on our way to Richfield, Wisconsin to put fliers up and look around area in which Zocco is residing now
Meeting at 1:30pm TNT TRUCK STOP

2900 State Rd 167
Richfield, WI 53076

Time-lapse photography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Time-lapsed means it causes images to appear as if they're going faster
(opposite result from how the name sounds).
Therefore, needs to be played back on an appropriate machine to show the images in real time.

This is beyond my scope but there must be a proper way to read/view the images or why have them at all?

Maybe someone who likes this kind of thing can explain what this means exactly. I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean the images captured are useless or that some images wouldn't be there at all if they crossed the path of the camera.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed-circuit_television

If the system was set to the wrong time, then doing the math to figure out when 9:00 a.m. would have been, should be possible. :waitasec: