WI WI - Kelly Dwyer, 27, Milwaukee, 11 Oct 2013 - #1

[Oploc2005]

KD leaving the building, alive, well, and of her own free will is definitely NOT a fact, regardless of what KZ wants people to believe. However, IMO, the camera configuration absolutely is a factor in determining if KD left under her own volition. Do we know the exact placement of the cameras in relation to the path KD would travel to reach the exit? It's not out of the realm of possibility that she may have only been within eyeshot of 2 cameras, including the exit. IMO, we'd need to know how many cameras she would've passed by to exit the building. If we knew that answer, I think we'd have a better idea if it was realistic that she could avoid "X" amount of cameras without being captured on video.

Cameras are at all exits and in garage exit. They are of poor quality grainy and time lapsed. After speaking with tenant he said if she left had to do it when camera not on that view. If anyone got her out not on her own will then only way would be the trash deposit chute

 

[Blessed2Bme]

Update family has talked with HLN and Nancy Grace has story on her site. With that said KZ appeared in court this morning with two lawyers now they picked up Coffey as well. They are moving to toss out entire search warrant as never did police read him his miranda rights this is known from detective admitted it on stand in first hearing. So if this gets thrown out what do you all think it will do the case? We made it out to Richfield few volunteers and family posted fliers everywhere below is picture of where he is staying at moms house.

BBM

Hi Oploc,

Where is said picture? TIA

 

[Woe.be.gone]

You've got to be kidding. I know you're not. Unbelievable.

Is this on the drug charges alone?
Or does it involve the whole case to include the child ?

I need to take a break as I'm too wrapped up and can't believe what I've just read.

Praying for justice one way or another.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Oh, I get it. Guard your horses.

 

[fernia]

So what is your connection to this case, as you are a new member? Do you live in Milwaukee?

Yes, I live in the Milwaukee area and found this great site in my search for more information about this case. No other connection.

 

[fernia]

Well, now that we know his Miranda rights were never given it calls to question what else may have been bungled. OpLoc mentioned an additional lawyer has been retained. His name is well known in the area. If there are any other holes in the investigation, the attorneys will be jumping through them in leaps and bounds. No wonder le has been so tight lipped.

 

[fernia]

http://www.superlawyers.com/wiscons...fey/3828985c-6c72-475d-ac92-6c35095a8665.html

 

[Justiceforever]

Yes, I live in the Milwaukee area and found this great site in my search for more information about this case. No other connection.

 

[AJLH1221]

I think you misunderstood me regarding all this. I was honestly only commenting that I was concerned that no other leads had been mentioned or discussed. It's one thing for LE to not discuss what leads are, or any other indicators are, it's entirely another thing for there to be no discussion on their part regarding there actually being any other possibilities. Yes, KZ is a POI, but what about any other points that have been brought up, even in the general news?

Regarding the honesty factor of KZ, I'm not saying he's being absolutely honest, I'm questioning why somebody with a habit of lying, who most definitely wouldn't want to draw attention to themselves (for obvious reasons) would admit to anything in the first place. The fact that he admitted she was even there over night the last anyone had seen her (especially if he knows nobody had seen her since) puts him at the very center of everything. Given the drugs in his house, not to mention the CP (that can land him 400 years prison time), you'd think the guy would want to avoid the attention of LE for any reason.
EDIT (for clarity): When I say questioning, I mean in a more "wondering out loud" sort of way. And from my understanding of KZ he's not a stupid person, and the person who mentioned having lived there said the only ground exits had cameras. It seems fairly obvious if he didn't cart her (or something possibly containing her) out the door or garage, that he was thinking of the cameras at some point (provided he did anything, of course). Think about it this way: the same thing that makes him a major POI (her not seen exiting the building in any way, shape, or form) would be exactly the reason he'd want to lie about it. If he did something, he knew enough not to walk past the cameras, which implies he has the sense to realize that the cameras are there (and so show her coming in). Yet he admits to the fact that she not only came in, but spent the night. He doesn't distance himself at all from that fact and (if responsible for anything) knowing full well there were cameras there that would likely be checked and not show her leaving.


I honestly have to say it seems to me the other way around. If you truly love somebody, and have a connection with them, you trust them entirely, and know they'd never do anything intentionally hurtful, and you feel secure, not just in your relationship, but in yourself and in your significant other. If there are any doubts, or distrust, or insecurities, if there's no absolute feeling of trust, then there is most definitely no real love there. JMHO.

I just believe it boils down to respect. I am married, so it would be disrespectful and inappropriate for my husband to spend the night with any woman. (And I trust him 100%.) JMO

 

[AJLH1221]

You've got to be kidding. I know you're not. Unbelievable.

Is this on the drug charges alone?
Or does it involve the whole case to include the child ?

I need to take a break as I'm too wrapped up and can't believe what I've just read.

Praying for justice one way or another.

This is devastating to me. But why am I surprised? Money can get you far in a legal dispute. I am assuming it would involve the entire case since the CP was also found in his apartment, right??

 

[bwt42]

Just because lawyers ask to have something thrown out doesn't mean its going to happen. The post about not giving KZ Miranda warning was vague enough to make no sense to me. I need to see something more explicit to cause real concern.

 

[J Block]

Well, now that we know his Miranda rights were never given it calls to question what else may have been bungled. OpLoc mentioned an additional lawyer has been retained. His name is well known in the area. If there are any other holes in the investigation, the attorneys will be jumping through them in leaps and bounds. No wonder le has been so tight lipped.

Slippery Slope

 

[SmoothOperator]

KD leaving the building, alive, well, and of her own free will is definitely NOT a fact, regardless of what KZ wants people to believe. However, IMO, the camera configuration absolutely is a factor in determining if KD left under her own volition. Do we know the exact placement of the cameras in relation to the path KD would travel to reach the exit? It's not out of the realm of possibility that she may have only been within eyeshot of 2 cameras, including the exit. IMO, we'd need to know how many cameras she would've passed by to exit the building. If we knew that answer, I think we'd have a better idea if it was realistic that she could avoid "X" amount of cameras without being captured on video.

Nope, it certainly is NOT a fact, but rather is what Kris Zocco "claims" to be fact in his statements to LE that Kelly Dwyer left his apt alive, well, and of her own free will..

Regarding my expressed opinions on the configuration of his apt building's surveillance cameras..they are just that, my opinions..nothing more and nothing less.

I have not in any way expressed that my opinion is such that would not, or does not allow for the possibility that Kelly Dwyer left Kris Zocco's apt alive, well, and of her own free will and her doing so has not been seen on any of the apt buildings surveillance video footage.

My opinion does however express that at this point in time I, personally do not find the newly learned information about the surveillance configuration as a reasonable explanation for why LE clearly state as fact that Kelly Dwyer was last in Kris Zocco's apt(not outside on the street, not out front of his building, not down the street seen on the phone, etc, etc, etc).and there is nothing TMK indicating that there is evidence leading to the contrary.


I believe that everyone would agree that as of now, with what is known to us, the public, that the possibility exists that Kelly left KZ's apt alive, well and of her own free will.. Certainly I have not stated otherwise..

Tho, my opinion at this point in time leans more toward that possibility being quite slim, I do however keep it as an open, viable possibility regardless of how likely(or unlikely) it is to be proven as being factual..

All jmo, tho.

 

[J Block]

This is devastating to me. But why am I surprised? Money can get you far in a legal dispute. I am assuming it would involve the entire case since the CP was also found in his apartment, right??

How many search warrants did they execute?

I'm sure there's a lot more particulars, but I can only come up w/ 1 reason that evidence obtained from the warrant would be inadmissible, STRICTLY pertaining to Miranda. IMO, the contents of the application would have to contain probable cause to search from info obtained from Zocco while he was IN CUSTODY and not given the Miranda warning. There's a possibility this could've happened. Lets say LE was in Zocco's apartment, and the officers cuffed him for their safety. Any questions he answered that would give officers probable cause to search and/or file for a warrant would be admissable if he wasn't read Miranda. Even if he wasn't advised he was under arrest, he would still need to be Mirandized because a reasonable person would assume they were in custody if they were handcuffed.

 

[Oploc2005]

BBM

Hi Oploc,

Where is said picture? TIA

How do I post it I'm new to this I'm on android cell

 

[mke2013]

How do I post it I'm new to this I'm on android cell

There's really no reason to post a pic of the mother's house. Please don't.

 

[mke2013]

http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/11/19/where-kelly-dwyer-missing-milwaukee-woman

The Kelly Dwyer allegedly described by Zocco to police is in stark contrast to the bubbly young woman described by her family and friends.

Kelly's friend, Stephanie, describes her as outgoing and interesting as well as being interested in others. "She's not a wild party animal, that's just not true."

Kelly is into yoga and Pilates and is energetic and happy.
Her father said Kelly is friendly, hard working and has many friends.

KZ didn't really describe Kelly's personality so I wouldn't say what he said was in stark contrast to the viewpoints of others. Someone can like yoga, be friendly, be interesting, have energy AND sometimes use cocaine. Those things aren't mutually exclusive. He bought for her so it's likely most of her "partying" was done in his presence. He would know that side to her more so than others.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Stark contrast is according to her friend and father as stated in the article I posted.

I don't personally know Kelly.
I was happy to read her friend's comments, because KZ, whether his claims are true or not, paint Kelly in a bad light.
I've decided not to trust his claims about the drug purchases based on the other evidence I know he is/was hiding.

Maya Angelou taught, via Oprah, that, "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.
Got to go with my gut sometimes.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

BBM

Hi Oploc,

Where is said picture? TIA

Blessed, the picture of the house has already been featured in a news article around the time KZ was arrested on the child charges.

So, if you search articles around that time, you'll bring it up. Iirc the house is a large ranch style.

I agree we shouldn't post the picture here as the house doesn't belong to KZ.

If his parents are comfortable with his hobbies and they're helping him escape charges, then his crimes are on their heads too. Just my opinion.

Maybe the 'kid' never had to account for his wrongdoings and now he is who he is approaching age forty. Still calling on his mommy to rescue him from himself. :tantrum:

 

[Woe.be.gone]

My tears flow for Kelly's parents.

http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/Kelly-Dwyers-father--232927191.html

Kelly's father fears Kelly is no longer alive. It's been six weeks since she went missing, last seen at her boyfriend's apartment.

Her mother doesn't know how they can move forward not knowing what happened or where Kelly is. She knows the police have investigated but wonders if there's more that can be done (translate, parents aren't privy to information or progress regarding the investigation). Kelly's parents don't know where to turn or what to do next. Who would know how to do that?

I wish I knew how to comfort them or had the power to promise them strength for the coming days.
I'll pray they receive answers soon.