WI WI - Kelly Nolan, 22, Madison, 23 June 2007 #1

[mssheila]

More from the article just posted above... This author is upset with us for discussing the issue of Henry Doane, owner of the Orpheum. He's also upset that we're wondering why April hasn't given out details of that last conversation, even though she wants help in finding her sister. If we don't know HOW or WHERE to help... what are we supposed to think? I have said ALL ALONG, I'm frustrated because I would like to help, but I have no idea what they would like people to do. I drive all over Madison all day long, and for almost a week I could have been looking for Kelly- but I didn't know she was missing. That's the other thing I'm frustrated about- the initial lack of reporting on the disappearance. Anyway, here's the article about us.

http://www.dane101.com/current/2007/07/06/the_pros_and_cons_of_websleuthing

Over the last two days the board members have become increasingly frustrated over the radio silence from the police and Nolan family. Kelly's sister April has repeatedly said that certain parts of the investigation cannot be revealed due to police requests to keep it confidential. Due to April's insistence on respecting the law officers involved in the search for her sister some board members have gone as far as to accuse April of playing games thereby ignoring the emotional turmoil April must be experiencing as she leads the search for her sister.
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Thankfully level heads prevail and attempt to reign in those attacking April. those board members suggest that it is part of protocol and the police must have their reasons.
Toward the end of the most recent posts some interesting glimmers of hope leak out of the forums. After reading this morning's Wisconsin State Journal profile of Nolan the forumites suggest maybe she hasn't "met foul play" and could just be going through some hard time and could still come home.
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RE: The part I bolded- I've never heard April say that she was asked not to discuss that by the police. I've only heard her say "I won't comment on that".

 

[Marisa714]

More from the article just posted above... This author is upset with us for discussing the issue of Henry Doane, owner of the Orpheum. He's also upset that we're wondering why April hasn't given out details of that last conversation, even though she wants help in finding her sister. If we don't know HOW or WHERE to help... what are we supposed to think? I have said ALL ALONG, I'm frustrated because I would like to help, but I have no idea what they would like people to do. I drive all over Madison all day long, and for almost a week I could have been looking for Kelly- but I didn't know she was missing. That's the other thing I'm frustrated about- the initial lack of reporting on the disappearance. Anyway, here's the article about us.

http://www.dane101.com/current/2007/07/06/the_pros_and_cons_of_websleuthing

Over the last two days the board members have become increasingly frustrated over the radio silence from the police and Nolan family. Kelly's sister April has repeatedly said that certain parts of the investigation cannot be revealed due to police requests to keep it confidential. Due to April's insistence on respecting the law officers involved in the search for her sister some board members have gone as far as to accuse April of playing games thereby ignoring the emotional turmoil April must be experiencing as she leads the search for her sister.
<SNIP>
Thankfully level heads prevail and attempt to reign in those attacking April. those board members suggest that it is part of protocol and the police must have their reasons.
Toward the end of the most recent posts some interesting glimmers of hope leak out of the forums. After reading this morning's Wisconsin State Journal profile of Nolan the forumites suggest maybe she hasn't "met foul play" and could just be going through some hard time and could still come home.
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RE: The part I bolded- I've never heard April say that she was asked not to discuss that by the police. I've only heard her say "I won't comment on that".

Your right, I don't believe April ever said the police asked her not to say anything. I hope we get some real news soon!

 

[mssheila]

I just spent some time looking through links to articles we posted here, and I have yet to find one that has April saying "The police asked me not to speak about that".

 

[txsvicki]

Over in the "about" column of dane.101, it says that they are a group of individuals who write about their opinions of local news. I would remind those criticizing that this is also what posters on Websleuths are doing and the Nancy Grace show was trying to do call attention to this case even though it may not have done the same on another as mentioned on dane.101.

 

[mssheila]

I haven't seen anyone mention this, and I just ran across it. Interesting.....

http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/8209357.html


We still don't have a lot of details about her disappearance, but nbc 15's Erin Koskovich was able to talk with a young man who was one of the last to see Kelly Nolan the night she disappeared.
The man Erin spoke with says he has talked to police and helped them in every way he can.
He says he didn't know Kelly very well, but he's told police everything he knows about the night she disappeared.
He told me Kelly was out with friends downtown Madison that night and her friends left and Kelly stayed in the bar with him.
He said he's helped police with anything they've asked him to do.
He's gone through DNA testing, a lie detector test, and his home and car have both been searched.
The man says he doesn't know what happened to Kelly that night, but he feels for her family... and hopes they find Kelly soon.

 

[zadari]

guys i think in her own way she is just trying to protect her sister .. i dont know from what or who.. she should tell the cops at least . im thinking she must have by now tho .i dont understand if she hasnt told the cops,,, i know if it were me i would tell them but only them .but im not gonna say she is playing games imho something tells me shes just trying to protect her sister .but mabey going about it the wrong way ..

 

[BethInAK]

He told me Kelly was out with friends downtown Madison that night and her friends left and Kelly stayed in the bar with him.

Its odd that he didn't speak about the circumstances of her leaving.

 

[mssheila]

Its odd that he didn't speak about the circumstances of her leaving.

This whole thing is odd. I've never really seen anything quite like it. And that Dane 101 blog really bothers me.... I'm not sure what they expect us to think with all the family secrecy. If they just came out and said "We can't comment on that because it may jeapordize the investigation"... everyone would hush.

 

[zadari]

This whole thing is odd. I've never really seen anything quite like it. And that Dane 101 blog really bothers me.... I'm not sure what they expect us to think with all the family secrecy. If they just came out and said "We can't comment on that because it may jeapordize the investigation"... everyone would hush.

ya i am wondering too why they havnt just said that .but then i dont know why half of anyone does what they do :doh:

 

[ronniejo]

Missing Woman's Bar Time Movements
But sources close to the search for the college student confirmed for 27 News police have interviewed a man who spent time with Nolan at Lava Lounge and then walked with her outside the bar.

Sources confirmed the man is an employee of another West Gilman Street spot, Amy's Cafe. Sources confirmed for 27 News the man intended to help Nolan get home to her subletted efficiency unit at the Ambassador West Apartments on West Miflin Street, but they parted ways. 27 News has not been able to reach the man for comment.

More at link
http://wkow.madison.com/News/index.php?ID=13014

 

[mssheila]

guys i think in her own way she is just trying to protect her sister .. i dont know from what or who.. she should tell the cops at least . im thinking she must have by now tho .i dont understand if she hasnt told the cops,,, i know if it were me i would tell them but only them .but im not gonna say she is playing games imho something tells me shes just trying to protect her sister .but mabey going about it the wrong way ..

I think that she must have told the police all about that conversation, because that phone call has been mentioned a LOT in the media. No way would the police not have asked her the contents of that phone call, and I believe she gave them all the info. I think the problem is that people think she should have said from the beginning that the contents of that call were pertinent to the investigation and that she was asked not to talk about it to the media. Instead, the way she went about it was to say things like.... 'I won't discuss what we talked about'.... Making people believe that she was being less than forthright with the public.

The reason that we here at Websleuths would find that strange is because after years of watching cases like this, we know that giving out any and every possible detail that you have is essential. Especially when you're asking for help from Joe public on the street. One small detail might trigger someone's memory. The secrecy is disconcerting. I know there must be a good reason though. I'm the person shouting the most about it, and I feel bad that that article at Dane 101 doesn't seem to "get" why we'd be concerned about April not telling what she knows.

 

[mssheila]

ya i am wondering too why they havnt just said that .but then i dont know why half of anyone does what they do :doh:

I am far more frustrated by the lack of information from the Madison Police Department than I am with the Nolan Family. I highly doubt that the Nolan Family is keeping secrets about the night in question because they WANT to. I think the police are telling them to. I respect the "ongoing investigation" thing... but why did it take them almost a week to get this on the news? Why haven't they helped the family find a Tim Miller (Equusearch) type of person to help them lead the volunteers and make the search a little more organized. None of this makes much sense. They should be trying to get all the help they can. Below is an interesting snip from the article that was first posted by Ronniejo.

http://wkow.madison.com/News/index.php?ID=13014
Bartender Dustin Smith told 27 News detectives working on Nolan's disappearance showed him a sketch of a man with round glasses and a goatee and asked if he had seen a man fitting that description. "It was a really simple sketch and it did not look familiar," Smith told 27 News. DeSpain said police have identified and spoken to a number of people they've inquired about during this missing person's search.

ETA: WHY IS THE SKETCH NOT PUBLICISED?????????????????

 

[RPPaolin]

ETA: WHY IS THE SKETCH NOT PUBLICISED?????????????????[/quote]

I am wondering the same thing. No searches set up either?

 

[Floriduh]

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,288516,00.html

 

[SeriouslySearching]

The less LE and family tell the media after they call press conferences which seem to be withdrawing/withholding information...the more rampant theories and rumors progress. It is only natural.

The leads also deteriorate and people will refuse to become involved in such a case, even if they have information. It could also affect how people react to the next missing person case stemming from this area.

 

[mssheila]

It sounds as if she had multiple contacts with LE in the last several years. Here is a link to the computerized court access page. You can enter her first and last name, and middle initial (K). Make sure you enter her middle initial and search statewide, otherwise, you will get results for a different Kelly Nolan (as well as this one).

C.C.A.P.
http://wcca.wicourts.gov/index.xsl

 

[kemo]

When a family is confronted with a missing member media attention is seen as the key because it puts pressure on law enforcement. There is a direct correlation between media attention and LE's response to a crime. The media wants stories about Nice Young White Girls who probably fell prey to Preditory Men. Any suggestion of mental illness, substance abuse, suicidal thinking etc does literally threaten the investigation. Hopefully they have told LE everything. The family may feel we (the public who follow the story on TV/print/web) are nothing but lookie-loes who can offer nothing, but we are all part of the media exposeure package. At some point this forum may turn out to be the only thin keeping the investigation active.

 

[zadari]

When a family is confronted with a missing member media attention is seen as the key because it puts pressure on law enforcement. There is a direct correlation between media attention and LE's response to a crime. The media wants stories about Nice Young White Girls who probably fell prey to Preditory Men. Any suggestion of mental illness, substance abuse, suicidal thinking etc does literally threaten the investigation. Hopefully they have told LE everything. The family may feel we (the public who follow the story on TV/print/web) are nothing but lookie-loes who can offer nothing, but we are all part of the media exposeure package. At some point this forum may turn out to be the only thin keeping the investigation active.

wow i hope they keep looking and dont give up. but i suppose clues can run out without more people to add to them , i have mixed feelings i guess . if something happened to me i wouldnt want my business splashed all over the news if i did something to be ashamed of .. but id want to be found at the same time . but i wouldnt just run off without telling my family where i was . i love them too much for that .. i hope she is found ok . it must be so hard for them not knowing where she is or what happened to her .

 

[JimNikki]

I think that she must have told the police all about that conversation, because that phone call has been mentioned a LOT in the media. No way would the police not have asked her the contents of that phone call, and I believe she gave them all the info.

Exactly right. So, why is it that you feel "public knowledge" (gained through a generalized media quote with a sensational headline no less) of the same lead(s) professional investigators are already following is beneficial to finding Kelly? If anything, all of the amateur "sleuthing" & hypothesis would hinder, not help, the investigation of any particular lead.

If everyone who is so focused on the contents of that call took the intensity being placed on that phone call and applied it to any hunch you may be getting from having to "read between the lines" as Webslueth(ers)...you may actually find that missing piece of the puzzle that nobody has thought of instead of feeding your deep desire to re-examine "evidence" that has already been investigated professionally (and subsequently connected with any other leads the "public" doesn't have) "first-hand" less than two weeks ago. That's cold-case thinking, IMO.

There is a reason the stories you keep pulling up involve individuals who have "already" been contacted by police. Yet, Kelly is still missing. That is the real point and you don't have to read between the lines too much to know that the information they have now has not been successful in returning her home safely as we are all still here talking about it. I doubt you, or any member of the public, would have much more success with the same information at this point...again, which is why people go public - to get new/more information to fill in the blanks - not for Joe Public to solve it for them.

I think the problem is that people think she should have said from the beginning that the contents of that call were pertinent to the investigation and that she was asked not to talk about it to the media.
Instead, the way she went about it was to say things like.... 'I won't discuss what we talked about'.... Making people believe that she was being less than forthright with the public.

She isn't "making" people believe anything. Those people were already looking for it...and the press is looking for sensationalism. Even with a very specific cookie-cutter answer, the quotes will be used as validation of whichever way the story is going to be presented by the outlet. As a matter of fact, you did the same thing.

You actually spent the time running around the internet pulling up links to stories to validate your own viewpoint, already slanted by your obsession with the phone call. Here is a 6/29 article quote:

Some of that information, including where Kelly was the last time she was seen or what she was doing then is being kept private despite repeated requests, WISC-TV reported.

"We don't want any information about the investigation released at this point as we've been advised by the police. They say this is the best way to go about finding Kelly; that's what we're told, (and) that's what we're going to do," April Nolan said.

Now...over the next few weeks of the same question being asked, you will get various versions of that answer which may/may not appeal to you with headlines including fancy words like 'refusing to' or 'won't tell' or whatever else gets attention...and people like you holding it as the holy grail to the investigation and placing the sister under the microscope.

You say you don't know "HOW or WHERE to help" without knowing the contents of the call. Read your stories. She was last seen downtown Madison...the search started there and branched out. Now, "WHERE" is the easy part...EVERYWHERE. There was a report of efforts being started in Milwaukee a couple days ago, despite the police believing the focus should still be on Madison as they had no reason to believe otherwise. Good for them...Milwaukee has fliers posted. Get the idea? They haven't thought of that...maybe it will help, maybe not. People visit Madison from all over, and one of them would have a higher probability of helping to find her than you (or me, or anyone helping) knowing the contents of a call investigators already have.

"HOW" is the easy part.

If you just look at the people you see every day, everywhere you go (others pumping gas, at the store, whatever) and see if any match Kelly, you've just done more that most people will. It can be that simple.

The reason that we here at Websleuths would find that strange is because after years of watching cases like this, we know that giving out any and every possible detail that you have is essential. Especially when you're asking for help from Joe public on the street. One small detail might trigger someone's memory. The secrecy is disconcerting. I know there must be a good reason though. I'm the person shouting the most about it, and I feel bad that that article at Dane 101 doesn't seem to "get" why we'd be concerned about April not telling what she knows.

You're right, you are the one shouting the most about the importance of the contents of the call in all these posts, but you close it with a "The secrecy is disconcerting. I know there must be a good reason though."

Um, so what's with all of the posts that obviously show otherwise? If you know it, believe it. Start looking for new leads.

I don't really mean to be rude, but really felt the need to say this.

 

[richandfamous]