Found Alive WI - Ryan Borgwardt, 45, Green Lake, 11 Aug 2024 *evidence that he faked his death and is alive in Eastern Europe*

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  • #241
He left in August, so it has been three months already. If this was a catfish scam, he would have already found that out and be on his own now. Hostels would likely be where he is sleeping and he will use the airline card for food until it runs out.
 
  • #242
PommyMommy said:
His license was found along with his keys, fishing pole, kayak, etc. Although I suppose he could've had another license, like he did a passport...? MOO

abc30.com

Missing father faked death, left country to meet with another woman: Wisconsin sheriff

A dramatic twist was revealed in the search for a missing kayaker in Wisconsin.
abc30.com abc30.com
Crews recovered his capsized kayak, his car, a fishing pole, wallet, keys and his license.
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In Wisconsin, if you lose your license, you can just go to the website and print out a new one - its only good for a few days, and you can only do it once, but its a thing. You need to fill out a form, pay a fee, etc... but it can be done.
 
  • #243
Inthedetails said:
I think he might be in a country where USA doesn't have extradition and/or strong relationship with the officials?? Just a guess. I am thinking USA LE is trying to make it emotionally easy for the man to come home on his own, coaxing him to safety.

Total speculation. I have no idea what is actually happening.

jmo

Edited to add: And when he is safe, they can get more info about the catfish scammer(s)....IF that is what is going on.
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While Uzbekistan does not have an extradition treaty with the US, they did recently sign a "mutual aid" agreement, which might provide LE support. US, Uzbekistan sign Customs Mutual Assistance Agreement.

My question is, should he be found dead in Uzbekistan (which I do see as a possibility), I wonder if the life insurance policy would be collectible by his wife and kids. Cynically, maybe she should keep paying the premiums. The only legitimate non-catfish situation I can think of is one of those online dating sites where the woman comes to the US from a foreign country. I've never heard of a mail-order groom who goes to another country. And this guy doesn't seem to have too many life skills, he couldn't keep a part time janitorial job his mom got him and there he was both a local and spoke the language.
 
  • #244
momsof3 said:
While Uzbekistan does not have an extradition treaty with the US, they did recently sign a "mutual aid" agreement, which might provide LE support. US, Uzbekistan sign Customs Mutual Assistance Agreement.

My question is, should he be found dead in Uzbekistan (which I do see as a possibility), I wonder if the life insurance policy would be collectible by his wife and kids. Cynically, maybe she should keep paying the premiums. The only legitimate non-catfish situation I can think of is one of those online dating sites where the woman comes to the US from a foreign country. I've never heard of a mail-order groom who goes to another country. And this guy doesn't seem to have too many life skills, he couldn't keep a part time janitorial job his mom got him and there he was both a local and spoke the language.
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One possibility is he is happy as a clam with a new love in her country.

It's also possible, once he showed up in person, he was enlisted to work for a fraud ring, perhaps helping to scam other people out of their money if his money is drained by now. THIS IS SPECULATION, just brainstorming and thinking aloud.

He may not be staying there willingly, but is useful to them.

It's also possible he is in another country by now.

And, it's possible he was/is in physical danger.

I do hope this get resolved!

jmo
 
  • #245
cujenn81 said:
Lying on a passport application is most certainly a federal crime. It’s passport fraud and could potentially affect not only our national security but also the security of any country that grants entrance to US citizens. Those agencies don’t know if he committed fraud simply because he wanted to start a new life or if he had more nefarious and criminal motives. Not until they investigate. TBH, we don’t really have a clue either.
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If you mean by saying it was lost/stolen makes it fraud-it could be but it could be that he simply thought it was lost-really would be hard to prove he couldn’t find it
 
  • #246
I have been going down a rabbit hole of scamming operations - its scary! If you are in a place in your life when you MIGHT be looking for something else, or something more interesting - you are so open to this sort of thing. I hope Ryan is ok. One interesting recent article I found about this type of thing:
www.nytimes.com

Lured by a Promising Job, He Was Forced to Scam People (Published 2024)

A Ugandan man named Jalil Muyeke traveled to Thailand for a promising job opportunity. He ended up being trafficked into a cybercrime operation.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
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  • #248
Mitch1 said:
If you mean by saying it was lost/stolen makes it fraud-it could be but it could be that he simply thought it was lost-really would be hard to prove he couldn’t find it
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It was reported upthread that his family easily found his passport after his disappearance. (I think he left it easily to be found to further support that he died and didn't run away.)

In my opinion, he obtained a second passport fraudulently in order fake his death while he slipped out of the country.

jmo
 
  • #249
The life insurance amount of $375,000. I agree it's an "odd" amount. Why not $350,000 or $400,000? Anyone look up what is owed on the house? Maybe $350,000?

A real head scratcher, for sure!
 
  • #250
carterkatt said:
The life insurance amount of $375,000. I agree it's an "odd" amount. Why not $350,000 or $400,000? Anyone look up what is owed on the house? Maybe $350,000?

A real head scratcher, for sure!
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I don't think the amount means diddly squat. It was his feeble attempt to be somewhat responsible (or to appear responsible) for the family he abandoned for some real or imagined chick in another country he had the hots for.

jmo
 
  • #251
carterkatt said:
The life insurance amount of $375,000. I agree it's an "odd" amount. Why not $350,000 or $400,000? Anyone look up what is owed on the house? Maybe $350,000?

A real head scratcher, for sure!
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Maybe the $375,000 was all he qualified for? He did not seem to be a high wage earner.
 
  • #252
Mitch1 said:
If you mean by saying it was lost/stolen makes it fraud-it could be but it could be that he simply thought it was lost-really would be hard to prove he couldn’t find it
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Whether he will or won’t be charged with fraud wasn’t really my point. I was responding to your post about the FBI and Homeland Security’s assistance with the investigation.

There are people who sell “lost” and “stolen” passports to criminals in other countries. Those criminals then use the passport to enter another country they wouldn’t otherwise be able to enter. Or they illegally enter the US undetected and use the passport to obtain a job, open a bank account, rent an apartment. Or they use it to create a fake passport with a different identity. I think it’s unlikely RB will be charged with passport fraud, but I’m not surprised the FBI and DHS are assisting with the investigation.
 
  • #253
Inthedetails said:
It's also possible, once he showed up in person, he was enlisted to work for a fraud ring, perhaps helping to scam other people out of their money if his money is drained by now. THIS IS SPECULATION,
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This is really something that happens so agree, not impossible.
 
  • #254
VivianV said:
I have been going down a rabbit hole of scamming operations - its scary! If you are in a place in your life when you MIGHT be looking for something else, or something more interesting - you are so open to this sort of thing. I hope Ryan is ok. One interesting recent article I found about this type of thing:
www.nytimes.com

Lured by a Promising Job, He Was Forced to Scam People (Published 2024)

A Ugandan man named Jalil Muyeke traveled to Thailand for a promising job opportunity. He ended up being trafficked into a cybercrime operation.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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Never in a million years would I have thought something like that was possible! Seriously sick people in this world.
 
  • #255
Btw, news reached Uzbekistan.
There are two articles, repeating the same content as US press, if you search with the Uzbek version of his name, i.e. Rayan Borgvardt

m.xabar.uz

Amerikalik hammani o‘lganiga ishontirib, chet elga qochib ketdi

Uni g‘avvoslar va itlar yordamida 54 kun qidirishdi, ammo topilmadi
m.xabar.uz m.xabar.uz

daryo.uz

AQSHda bedarak yo‘qolgan erkak O‘zbekistondagi ayol bilan aloqada bo‘lgani aniqlandi

Uch nafar bolaning otasi 54 kun davomida qidirilgan. Erkakning kompyuteri tekshirilgach, yangi ma’lumotlar paydo bo‘lgan
daryo.uz daryo.uz

Same for Russia, Bulgaria…even in France.
 
  • #256
truthfinder2019 said:
Btw, news reached Uzbekistan.
There are two articles, repeating the same content as US press, if you search with the Uzbek version of his name, i.e. Rayan Borgvardt

m.xabar.uz

Amerikalik hammani o‘lganiga ishontirib, chet elga qochib ketdi

Uni g‘avvoslar va itlar yordamida 54 kun qidirishdi, ammo topilmadi
m.xabar.uz m.xabar.uz

daryo.uz

AQSHda bedarak yo‘qolgan erkak O‘zbekistondagi ayol bilan aloqada bo‘lgani aniqlandi

Uch nafar bolaning otasi 54 kun davomida qidirilgan. Erkakning kompyuteri tekshirilgach, yangi ma’lumotlar paydo bo‘lgan
daryo.uz daryo.uz

Same for Russia, Bulgaria…even in France.
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Yes, I was just commenting on a FB thread that I heard about this case (here in North Wales) a few days ago after a friend of mine in Sweden mentioned it to me. Until now, I only knew of one thing about Wisconsin: its delicious cheese.
 
  • #257
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Lately fraudsters manage to clone phone numbers of known banks and police stations, and 2 different people call victims, telling them their funds are not secure anymore on their BA, that they need to transfer the money to a new BA.
After the fake police call, the victim receives a call from the fake bank officer. The victim recognizes the phone number or they search on internet and get reassurance that the number that called is the bank. They agree to trnsfer to their new BA, which is actually not theirs. When they realize the fraud, the criminals are long gone with the money.
This is called an Impostor Scam.

More worrying now are those using AI and targeting especially vulnerable/ elderly people, such as the so called Grandparent scams.

“If you get a call from someone who sounds like a grandchild or relative asking you to wire or transfer money or send gift cards to help them out of trouble, it could be a scam. Artificial intelligence has made it easier for scammers to clone voices and alter images to make it seem like someone you know needs help. Meant to play on your emotions, this scam is among those commonly used to target older adults, especially during the holidays.”
Source What are some common types of scams? | Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
 
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  • #258
truthfinder2019 said:
<modsnip> Lately fraudsters manage to clone phone numbers of known banks and police stations, and 2 different people call victims, telling them their funds are not secure anymore on their BA, that they need to transfer the money to a new BA.
After the fake police call, the victim receives a call from the fake bank officer. The victim recognizes the phone number or they search on internet and get reassurance that the number that called is the bank. They agree to trnsfer to their new BA, which is actually not theirs. When they realize the fraud, the criminals are long gone with the money.
This is called an Impostor Scam.

More worrying now are those using AI and targeting especially vulnerable/ elderly people, such as the so called Grandparent scams.

“If you get a call from someone who sounds like a grandchild or relative asking you to wire or transfer money or send gift cards to help them out of trouble, it could be a scam. Artificial intelligence has made it easier for scammers to clone voices and alter images to make it seem like someone you know needs help. Meant to play on your emotions, this scam is among those commonly used to target older adults, especially during the holidays.”
Source What are some common types of scams? | Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
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That one I knew about and happened to my parents 15+ years ago-luckily they knew not to fall for it and it wasn’t my sibling’s child calling- but it was very unnerving but since the “child” didn’t know the family “code word” they knew it wasn’t them - I hadn’t thought about the AI aspect making it more sophisticated and realistic - that so sad and scary
 
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  • #259
I find this reading interesting.

This is another financial scam there
kun.uz

New financial scam in Uzbekistan: “Uzbekiston investuz” promises to multiply investments by 10 times in one hour

The “Uzbekiston investuz” channel on Telegram promises to return 20 million UZS for every 1.5 million UZS invested within 60 minutes. Muhammadfozil Qodirov, who introduces himself as the project leader, claims that everything is legal, that they have a license, and that the business is under...
kun.uz kun.uz
 
  • #260
truthfinder2019 said:
I find this reading interesting.

This is another financial scam there
kun.uz

New financial scam in Uzbekistan: “Uzbekiston investuz” promises to multiply investments by 10 times in one hour

The “Uzbekiston investuz” channel on Telegram promises to return 20 million UZS for every 1.5 million UZS invested within 60 minutes. Muhammadfozil Qodirov, who introduces himself as the project leader, claims that everything is legal, that they have a license, and that the business is under...
kun.uz kun.uz
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Wow. Wonder if he fell for one of these scams.

Interesting.

JMVHO.
 
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