WI - Six killed, 4 injured in Sikh temple shooting, Oak Creek, 5 Aug 2012

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't think religion is important here at all. I think this is yet another angry hateful US male, who was fed violence as entertainment, and hatred as a way of life, and just blew up and went out and shot up the thing he conveniently found to blame his problems on. Just like the last guy and the guy before that...
It can be a religion, it can be a liberal, it can be a rightwinger. It can be a President, or a Pope. it can be a black guy, it can be a white guy. It can be a theater full of happy people, or a school full of kids. The target isn't the point, the envronment that conditions the weak of mind to exhale stress as violence, and that allows more guns to be manufactured than the population at large... This is the problem.
Jmo

I do believe it is going to be a person with extremist beliefs of some kind.

I also dont think having legal weapons in this country is the problem either. Legal gunowners are some of the most law abiding citizens in our nation. The vast majority of violent crimes (homicides) are done by thugs or felons (ex) who obtains their firearm illegally. Take away the rights of legal gunowners to bear arms and the only ones that will have them are the criminals who will always find away to obtain them. Just yesterday I read a story where a jewelry shop owner in California had 5 men come into her place to rob them and she had a weapon and shot twice at the suspects and they fled. She rightfully protected herself and her employees from winding up shot and possibly murdered.

Nutjobs like this will always find a way to obtain a weapon. We are a country with open borders and the illegal gun trade has always gone on and there is no way to stop all of the illegal gun traffic. Just like we cant make a dent in the drug war either because of the same reason.

If no one has anyway to protect themselves from those who have intentions of doing grave harm to them then we all become nothing but sitting ducks and all will become easy targets.

Criminals want their victims unarmed not armed. They run away like the cowards they are when they mistakenly pick on a person who is legally armed and has the means to fight back.

While we are concentrating on these mass shooting many more people are losing their lives yearly by those who had illegal weapons.

IMO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

FOX6s media partners at the Oak Creek Patch spoke with a women who said her son rented to the man believed to be the gunman. The woman told the Patch her son lived with the suspected gunman for three weeks, before the man moved across the street, to another property also owned by her son.
The woman told Oak Creek Patch she remembered the suspected gunman had just broken up with his girlfriend.
The woman told the Patch her son, the suspected gunman’s landlord, is also a local police detective and was being interviewed by police Sunday.


http://fox6now.com/2012/08/05/authorities-executing-search-warrant-at-home-of-suspected-gunman/

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Katy, you were on to something regarding a breakup.

 

[katydid23]

http://wap.wisn.com/wap/news/text.j...1&ith=2&title=Local+News&headtitle=Local+News

A vigil for the victims of Sunday's Oak Creek shooting has brought hundreds of people to Milwaukee's Cathedral Square.

It is nice to see that heart warming vigil. We have a lot of Sikhs in our area, and I don't know anyone who has a cross word to say about them. They are a family oriented, peace loving, kind, hard working group of people.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

“He was quiet. He worked second shift,” she said of the alleged shooter, who has not been named by authorities. “They (her son and the shooter) both worked a lot, so they never got to see each other.”

She said she remembered the man had just broken up with his girlfriend because “he mentioned that to my son. Then he wanted to move on his own. So he moved to the duplex across the street.”

http://oakcreek.patch.com/articles/woman-says-her-son-is-landlord-of-gunman-in-temple-shooting

 

[pdxmama]

Using the word "terrorism" to define this attack makes it pretty that LE believes it to be motivated by religion, politics or some type of ideological stance. If it was just some random, crazy guy they would not have characterized it as such. They did not call James Holmes a terrorist.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

The owner of one of the duplexes says authorities are targeting his property. Kurt Weins says authorities haven't told him why they're searching his duplex or whether it's related to the shooting. He says he rented the duplex's upper unit to a man about a month ago. He wouldn't identify the tenant.

http://wap.myfoxboston.com/w/main/story/69738775/

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Using the word "terrorism" to define this attack makes it pretty that LE believes it to be motivated by religion, politics or some type of ideological stance. If it was just some random, crazy guy they would not have characterized it as such. They did not call James Holmes a terrorist.

They are investigating the case saying it might have been an act of terrorism but the motive is not known yet.

Article is linked in post 212.

 

[wfgodot]

From MJW:

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U.S. Attorney James Santelle, who is personally reviewing the matter, said it is not clear if it was domestic terrorism.

"My focus is not on what category it is but what happened and the loss of life in Oak Creek," he told the Journal Sentinel.
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A source familiar with the investigation said the shooter was a white male in his 40s who had been discharged from the Army. The source said one firearm was recovered as well as multiple magazines.
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Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

 

[katydid23]

GERALDO just said that " Breaking News...the shooter in the Sikh Temple had ties to the military..."

 

[pdxmama]

They are investigating the case saying it might have been an act of terrorism but the motive is not known yet.

Article is linked in post 212.

I understand that. My point is that there must be something that has LE leaning in that direction. Something to indicate a motive that would qualify this mass shooting as domestic terrorism. Once the investigation is over they may find that's not the case, but I doubt it.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I understand that. My point is that there must be something that has LE leaning in that direction. Something to indicate a motive that would qualify this mass shooting as domestic terrorism. Once the investigation is over they may find that's not the case, but I doubt it.

I agree with you.

I think what might have them leaning in that direction is the fact he was a white male who shot up a Sikh temple.

But other details are slowly coming out too.

He may have well been an extremist who targeted them because of religion. He may have also been a deranged lunatic who was discharged from the army and lost his girlfriend and wanted to commit suicide by cop.

I think that's why the FBI is saying its too early to say what the motive was.

JMO

ETA: I think it was probably a combination of a lot of factors.

 

[katydid23]

So he was in his 40's and veteran of the US Army.

Did we ever have armed forces deployed to India? I am trying to figure out why he targeted the Sikhs. He surely knew the difference between the Extremist Muslims and the
Sikhs.

 

[wfgodot]

It's understandable that some feel this is an incident of domestic terrorism, possibly associated with extremist right-wing ideas.

A list: 1995-2012

 

[katydid23]

Sikh community in US town shocked as ex-Indian Army officer kills family


http://www.hindustantimes.com/world...rmy-officer-kills-family/Article1-869138.aspx

 

[katydid23]

It's understandable that some feel this is an incident of domestic terrorism, possibly associated with extremist right-wing ideas.

A list: 1995-2012

But the extremist right wing would not put the Sikhs at the top of their hit list, imo.

 

[wfgodot]

But the extremist right wing would not put the Sikhs at the top of their hit list, imo.

I don't know about "at the top of their hit list," but I do know that persons of color are targeted here by those groups.

 

[~n/t~]

High-ranking members of the Sikh community tell WITI that two of the dead were the Sikh equivalent of priests.

I find this piece of information very interesting. Did the guman know to distinguish who are the "priests"? Do Sikh priests wear different coloured attire, perhaps?

Thanks for all the updates! Was away for most of the day and I'm just learning about this horrific crime now.

 

[STEADFAST]

So he was in his 40's and veteran of the US Army.

Did we ever have armed forces deployed to India? I am trying to figure out why he targeted the Sikhs. He surely knew the difference between the Extremist Muslims and the
Sikhs.

No, we haven't deployed the military to India. Also, we don't know when this perp was in the military or for how long -- or, really, even if he really was ever in the military. One thing that occurs to me, though, is that when we say, "Sikhs aren't Muslims," we're practically saying that it would be more okay to kill Muslims than Sikhs. I'm sure nobody believes that.

 

[STEADFAST]

Is anyone else surprised this perp is as old as 40? I know it's not unheard of, but it just surprises me.