WI WI - The Capital City Murders - UNSOLVED

[tangledweb]

Also, in rereading the part about the discovery of a body uncovering an unsolved homicide; was this a reference to the same body since at the time they said they weren't sure it was Nolan? That would be weird, though, because it would be like saying the discovery of the body led to the discovery of the same unsolved homicide.

I guess it could be taken both ways; the discovery of the Nolan body (yet unidentified), uncovered an unsolved homicide, this same body.

OR

It's a reference to this body uncovering another unrelated homicide which would stand to reason since FBI and out of state law enforcement was on the scene.

I'll go with the latter..

 

[RR0004]

I guess it could be taken both ways; the discovery of the Nolan body (yet unidentified), uncovered an unsolved homicide, this same body.

OR

It's a reference to this body uncovering another unrelated homicide which would stand to reason since FBI and out of state law enforcement was on the scene.

I'll go with the latter..

Gotcha...me, too.

I have yet to see any updates on autopsy "findings". Because it was reported early on that we wouldn't anytime "soon" (it's been a year!), leads me to believe poor Kelly is part of a bigger, albeit gruesome, picture here.

 

[RR0004]

I also just read that there was someone else missing from Dane County at about the same time Kelly was...was that person ever identified or found?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Tangled~ I hate to say it, but DeSpain is terribly misleading in his public information and was all during the case of Kelly Nolan. The statement you emphasized in red is a prime example. He knew it was her. He was trying to insinuate it may not be which was to deflect John Q. Public and the family at the time. Sounds nuts, doesn't it?! Only DeSpain can answer to why he said half the things he did...but he quickly began to sound like a broken record that couldn't tell his head from his @ss. This hasn't changed. Misinformation or trying to lead the public down a specific path away from the actual reality from MPD is a constant on even the most recent cases.

Look how they hauled in all the homeless people and how they touted that one to the press! Like they could find their murderer within the group yada yada yada. Blowing smoke is what I call it and it is exactly what happened.

I think they darn well know that Kelly's murder was part of a larger picture. They would not admit it in a million years! However, they would NOT have called in other agencies to participate in a 3 day scour of the area if it wasn't neccessary. The 3 mile radius was only because of the cell tower ping. They did have a large area to cover. The other agencies were not brought in until they found Kelly's body tho.

They have not released COD or TOD on Kelly Nolan to my knowledge. As a matter of fact, they have released almost nothing on her case. It has been one of our major complaints all along. Kelly didn't stand a chance the way the case was handled from the beginning. They painted her as a lush and not credible etc. It was such a travesty!!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I also just read that there was someone else missing from Dane County at about the same time Kelly was...was that person ever identified or found?

I might have to go back to refresh my memory, but I don't recall a second person missing unless you are talking about the woman who took off and they found hiding out by a creek. She had left her husband and aged parents to create a new life. They brought her home to face them. She should have been charged instead of coddled.

 

[RR0004]

Tangled~ I hate to say it, but DeSpain is terribly misleading in his public information and was all during the case of Kelly Nolan. The statement you emphasized in red is a prime example. He knew it was her. He was trying to insinuate it may not be which was to deflect John Q. Public and the family at the time. Sounds nuts, doesn't it?! Only DeSpain can answer to why he said half the things he did...but he quickly began to sound like a broken record that couldn't tell his head from his @ss. This hasn't changed. Misinformation or trying to lead the public down a specific path away from the actual reality from MPD is a constant on even the most recent cases.

Look how they hauled in all the homeless people and how they touted that one to the press! Like they could find their murderer within the group yada yada yada. Blowing smoke is what I call it and it is exactly what happened.

I think they darn well know that Kelly's murder was part of a larger picture. They would not admit it in a million years! However, they would NOT have called in other agencies to participate in a 3 day scour of the area if it wasn't neccessary. The 3 mile radius was only because of the cell tower ping. They did have a large area to cover. The other agencies were not brought in until they found Kelly's body tho.

They have not released COD or TOD on Kelly Nolan to my knowledge. As a matter of fact, they have released almost nothing on her case. It has been one of our major complaints all along. Kelly didn't stand a chance the way the case was handled from the beginning. They painted her as a lush and not credible etc. It was such a travesty!!

SS- concerning Brittany- there had been a strange incident earlier in the day IIRC...a homeless guy who entered a house of students...and some homeless guy who entered a radio station (or tv station...can't remember which one)...I think they had reason to pursue that lead...and obviously the pressure of unsolved crimes warranted them to do something! Did it help? Well, now they have banned certain homeless from State Street...and they have an area set off near the Capitol where they'll be able to panhandle without worry (in July IIRC!). But still no justice for Joel, Kelly, or Brittany.

Note: In my reading today, I came across a request from Joel's girlfriend for the community to stop blaming the PD and begin to work together to solve the murder.

 

[tangledweb]

Tangled~ I hate to say it, but DeSpain is terribly misleading in his public information and was all during the case of Kelly Nolan. The statement you emphasized in red is a prime example. He knew it was her. He was trying to insinuate it may not be which was to deflect John Q. Public and the family at the time. Sounds nuts, doesn't it?!

SS, I watched his video press conference at (also, in one of his press conferences on that page he states that there were several other current missing persons at the time of Kelly's disappearance):

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/8388467.html

Watch the 7/9 press conference at 2 p.m. from Madison PD spokesman Joel DeSpain

On the same page is a link:

Watch raw Chopper footage of the search scene

In the beginning of that film you'll notice the twin triangular roads. Compare them with this Googlemap (satellite mode) shot:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=...839,-89.368844&spn=0.002391,0.003954&t=h&z=18

If you type in 4724 Schneider Dr., Town of Dunn, you'll see those same twin roads adjoining Schneider Dr.

That's 4773 Schneider Dr. Now, if you typed in 4724 Schneider Dr. and scroll right on the Google map you'll come to the green "A" marker that Google put in to mark the location of 4724 Schneider Dr.

You'll note at: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1863556/posts


"Wray would not say exactly where the body was discovered, but Patricia Wardell, who lives at 4724 Schneider Road, said it was on the property of her neighbor, whom she identified as Eleanor Killerlain.
Wardell said Killerlain, who did not respond to a call for comment, is in her 80s and has owned the more than 20 acres of property for decades."

Using the DCImap at: http://lio-mapping.co.dane.wi.us/dcimap/index.htm you'll find that the search scene on the helicopter footage is not on the Killerlain property.

The statement by Wardell is misleading and Wardell's address isn't 4724 Schneider, but 4710 Schneider. The Killerlain property is actually 4724 Schneider Dr. and as you can see on the Googlemap there are no visible densely wooded areas on her property where the body was found. I don't think Wardell made that erroneous statement, I think she was misquoted.

So, yes, SS, I agree with you, there's a lot of disinformation in all these reports. Either someone is obfuscating the truth purposely or the news media is not verifying what they're being told, which in turn misleads us, the public.

You'll notice on the Google map that the border between Fitchburg and the Town of Dunn is about 200 feet from Killerlain's property, which ends at the woodline where the property of 4754 Schneider Dr. starts.

Triple K Stables (4721) is right across the road. You can see the ponds where all the LE vehicles had parked. This was on one of the news websites online. The owner even states he could see the site from his property. You'll notice on the helicopter video that they never did take a camera shot of the actual scene. In fact, the footage looks like it was edited. The closest it got was the intersection at the road on the townline and Schneider Dr.

Aside from this, does anyone know the business where Nolan went for that last job interview?

 

[tangledweb]

"Madison police were assisted in Monday's search with agents from the FBI, Dane County Sheriff's Department, K-9 units and horse search teams. Police agencies from Wisconsin and Illinois as well as numerous volunteers also were helping."

BTW, there were searchers from Columbia County and Green County, WI at the Nolan site, according to news reports.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Before we go further into Kelly's case, I would like to move it here where it belongs: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52025&highlight=Kelly+Nolan Please continue there. I moved all the pertinent posts. Thanks!

 

[Caelon]

RE: Christine Rothschild's UW murder on May 26, 1968:
It has been reported by a retired UW Police officer that Christine reported being stalked less than a week before her murder. UW Police refuse to interview the retired officer about this information and dismiss it without any investigation. How can a 40 year old case be solved when the detectives refuse to check out leads and have never done any DNA testing of the physical evidence from the crime scene. Says something about low priorities....!

 

[RR0004]

TW- just going back and rereading...could Illinois have been brought in because of what they had found (but not yet identified) there (the partial remains of Lindsay Harris)? I'm still thinking that there's something in the "presentation" of the body that's gotten all these different agencies involved.

 

[RR0004]

RE: Christine Rothschild's UW murder on May 26, 1968:
It has been reported by a retired UW Police officer that Christine reported being stalked less than a week before her murder. UW Police refuse to interview the retired officer about this information and dismiss it without any investigation. How can a 40 year old case be solved when the detectives refuse to check out leads and have never done any DNA testing of the physical evidence from the crime scene. Says something about low priorities....!

Thanks for the information, Caelon. There has to be a "cold case" unit out there in Madison (or perhaps the state?). They'd be interested in knowing that information, don't you think? (Ok...maybe not Madison...but there has to be some LE agency that would!)

Welcome!

 

[tangledweb]

...could Illinois have been brought in because of what they had found (but not yet identified) there (the partial remains of Lindsay Harris)? I'm still thinking that there's something in the "presentation" of the body that's gotten all these different agencies involved.

RR, that's possible. The rest of the body is somewhere. I watched AMW about that Las Vegas case. I thought it interesting that when her boyfriend was directly questioned about his involvement by a jounalist, he looked down to his left before answering (not just once, either). Maybe an investigator picked up on that telltale sign of lying.

The interview ended with what I thought was a phony "emotional breakdown". When he was asked if he did anything he said he would never do anything to harm her. It was interesting also that he just happened to be out of town that day when she disappeared.

I don't think I've ever seen a precedent set before where LE withheld information that they've located a body and then kept that info secret from the public for weeks, months, etc.

My take on it is that they're suspecting someone specific and, like you say, the "presentation" aroused suspicions. I suppose one could see who's all missing from the different counties involved and look for similarities, but I think that could become a full time job.

 

[Bobbisangel]

RE: Christine Rothschild's UW murder on May 26, 1968:
It has been reported by a retired UW Police officer that Christine reported being stalked less than a week before her murder. UW Police refuse to interview the retired officer about this information and dismiss it without any investigation. How can a 40 year old case be solved when the detectives refuse to check out leads and have never done any DNA testing of the physical evidence from the crime scene. Says something about low priorities....!

I wonder if anyone has taken all of the compiled info...names. ages, and date of murder or disappearance of the women and the same for the men...and sent it to the FBI in that area and to the Attorney General in that state...WI?

Also the info in the post above about Christine. Someone who might care should have the lists. It really is an eye opener when you see one name after the other and how many there are from the same area. Same for the guys.

I'm wondering if the killer of the females and the males could be the same peron. The females were murdered or came up missing in the Spring and Summer it was said. The males all disappeared and were found in rivers in the winter. Maybe for some reason the killer likes to hunt females in the nice weather and males in the colder weather where he just has to intercept them as they walk and tosses them in the river which is a lot faster then rape and murder. Just a thought but it wouldn't surprise me.

If LE think all of these murders, rapes, missing, and drownings are concidence then they have their heads up their butts or are just to lazy to look at all of the evidence which says the totally opposite. I would bet my last dollar that this is the work of one person. He keeps busy year around...Spring and Summer looking for females and winter and maybe fall looking for young males.

If I had a college age daughter I know she wouldn't be going to school in WI!

 

[RR0004]

I wonder if anyone has taken all of the compiled info...names. ages, and date of murder or disappearance of the women and the same for the men...and sent it to the FBI in that area and to the Attorney General in that state...WI?

Also the info in the post above about Christine. Someone who might care should have the lists. It really is an eye opener when you see one name after the other and how many there are from the same area. Same for the guys.

I'm wondering if the killer of the females and the males could be the same peron. The females were murdered or came up missing in the Spring and Summer it was said. The males all disappeared and were found in rivers in the winter. Maybe for some reason the killer likes to hunt females in the nice weather and males in the colder weather where he just has to intercept them as they walk and tosses them in the river which is a lot faster then rape and murder. Just a thought but it wouldn't surprise me.

If LE think all of these murders, rapes, missing, and drownings are concidence then they have their heads up their butts or are just to lazy to look at all of the evidence which says the totally opposite. I would bet my last dollar that this is the work of one person. He keeps busy year around...Spring and Summer looking for females and winter and maybe fall looking for young males.

If I had a college age daughter I know she wouldn't be going to school in WI!

I had similar thinking after I found that Erika Dalquist's body was found about the same time that Chris Jenkins, Michael Noll, and Josh Guimond went missing in Minnesota (the next state over). But they found her killer, who just happened to bury the remains on his grandfather's farm (smacks of Killerlain, huh TW). What stuck in my mind was that this guy Myears worked in a carnival. When thinking about our theories of who could be committing these crimes in certain areas of the country (the Midwest having more than their share) we had thought of so many that could be placed in the area...traveling salespeople, truckers, etc. I never thought of traveling "shows".
Bobbisangel--when my daughter graduated this past May from a WI school even she said she was glad to be going. More specifically, she said, "It's time to get out of Dodge". I know I feel MUCH better!

 

[RR0004]

RR, that's possible. The rest of the body is somewhere. I watched AMW about that Las Vegas case. I thought it interesting that when her boyfriend was directly questioned about his involvement by a jounalist, he looked down to his left before answering (not just once, either). Maybe an investigator picked up on that telltale sign of lying.

The interview ended with what I thought was a phony "emotional breakdown". When he was asked if he did anything he said he would never do anything to harm her. It was interesting also that he just happened to be out of town that day when she disappeared.

I don't think I've ever seen a precedent set before where LE withheld information that they've located a body and then kept that info secret from the public for weeks, months, etc.

My take on it is that they're suspecting someone specific and, like you say, the "presentation" aroused suspicions. I suppose one could see who's all missing from the different counties involved and look for similarities, but I think that could become a full time job.

I know it's been a while since Lindsay went missing, but I didn't feel this man's "pain" at all. It was interesting that the bf had just spoken to her and knew her exact location. I wonder if LE checked his phone records to see if he had placed any calls around the time she went missing. Also, he was traveling back to Lindsay's backyard so to speak. Why wouldn't she have accompanied him? Her job not flexible enough? Sorry, I just think somehow he's tied to this.

 

[Bobbisangel]

I had similar thinking after I found that Erika Dalquist's body was found about the same time that Chris Jenkins, Michael Noll, and Josh Guimond went missing in Minnesota (the next state over). But they found her killer, who just happened to bury the remains on his grandfather's farm (smacks of Killerlain, huh TW). What stuck in my mind was that this guy Myears worked in a carnival. When thinking about our theories of who could be committing these crimes in certain areas of the country (the Midwest having more than their share) we had thought of so many that could be placed in the area...traveling salespeople, truckers, etc. I never thought of traveling "shows".
Bobbisangel--when my daughter graduated this past May from a WI school even she said she was glad to be going. More specifically, she said, "It's time to get out of Dodge". I know I feel MUCH better!

That is wonderful that your daughter is no longer in that area, The world isn't safe but if you live in a place where a serial killer is on the loose it is best to get the heck out of there. The number of females dead or missing is just mind blowing...all from the same area. Same with the males. Lots of truck drivers travel the same route with their deliverys. Grab some girl and thrown her in the back of the truck and no one would even see or hear her crys for help. How many people pay any attention to great big trucks on the road?

It sounds like most of the kids murdered or missing were drinking. Makes them lots better targets and probably easy to get into his truck or on a walk to the river. The guys might even think that this person is trying to help them sober up...walking them.

 

[RR0004]

That is wonderful that your daughter is no longer in that area, The world isn't safe but if you live in a place where a serial killer is on the loose it is best to get the heck out of there. The number of females dead or missing is just mind blowing...all from the same area. Same with the males. Lots of truck drivers travel the same route with their deliverys. Grab some girl and thrown her in the back of the truck and no one would even see or hear her crys for help. How many people pay any attention to great big trucks on the road?

It sounds like most of the kids murdered or missing were drinking. Makes them lots better targets and probably easy to get into his truck or on a walk to the river. The guys might even think that this person is trying to help them sober up...walking them.

Like Kelly Nolan...I definitely think someone is out there "hunting". I think that's one reason why LE is reviewing their MPs.

 

[Bobbisangel]

Like Kelly Nolan...I definitely think someone is out there "hunting". I think that's one reason why LE is reviewing their MPs.

I agree. All a person would have to do is kind of hang around the bars at closing time and watch to see if a female or male leaves the bar alone. Follow them and grab the girl and she is gone. The males are probably easy to handle if they have been drinking a lot. "come on buddy..I'll walk with you and help you sober up a little." The males probably didn't even have a clue which way they were walking. And to the river they went.

I hope LE is taking a really good look at all of the missing females in that area. There just isn't any way that the murders and missing just happened to have taken place in one area. And the profiles on the females...hair the same, etc. I'm surprised that someone didn't put it all together way before now.

 

[RR0004]

I agree. All a person would have to do is kind of hang around the bars at closing time and watch to see if a female or male leaves the bar alone. Follow them and grab the girl and she is gone. The males are probably easy to handle if they have been drinking a lot. "come on buddy..I'll walk with you and help you sober up a little." The males probably didn't even have a clue which way they were walking. And to the river they went.

I hope LE is taking a really good look at all of the missing females in that area. There just isn't any way that the murders and missing just happened to have taken place in one area. And the profiles on the females...hair the same, etc. I'm surprised that someone didn't put it all together way before now.

Missing persons (male and female)...college-age guys in rivers that are so easily chalked off to "accidental drowning"...seems to me that they just haven't gotten the attention that they needed because LE doesn't llike to deal with them...that is until they become homicides. I read a book recently (a novel) that said if LE tells the ME that it looks like an accident...the ME will, by a "power of suggestion" kinda thing, look at it as if it has been an accident. Interesting. I think there are TOO MANY and the heat is on. I hope we had something to do with the pressure.