WI WI - Winnebago Co, Wolf River, UnkFem 30-65, UP12361, skull, Jul’85

[Romulus]

Unidentified Person / NamUs #UP12361
Female, Uncertain
Date Body Found:July 26, 1985
Location Found:Winneconne, Wisconsin
Estimated Age Range: 30-65 Years

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Circumstances of Recovery
On 07/26/1985 at 1936, two teenage boys were snorkeling in the Wolf River near 409 First Street in Winneconne WI, looking for glass bottles and found a human skull. They immediately contacted law enforcement and turned it in. A 60' x 35' grid search (in the river) was completed by the WISO dive team and no other remains were found. In viewing the original reports we are unable to find any information, which determines the identity of the remains.

 

[iulia]

From her Doe Network page:

Identifiers
Dentals: Available
Fingerprints: Not Available
DNA: Available

1121UFWI

 

[BrownBear]

2 Exclusions
MP57021 Bonnie Repinski 08/12/1975 Winnebago, WI
MP19994 Dona Bayerl 05/06/1979 Waukesha, WI

 

[zh0r4]

Unidentified Person / NamUs #UP12361
Female, Uncertain
Date Body Found:July 26, 1985
Location Found:Winneconne, Wisconsin
Estimated Age Range: 30-65 Years

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Circumstances of Recovery
On 07/26/1985 at 1936, two teenage boys were snorkeling in the Wolf River near 409 First Street in Winneconne WI, looking for glass bottles and found a human skull. They immediately contacted law enforcement and turned it in. A 60' x 35' grid search (in the river) was completed by the WISO dive team and no other remains were found. In viewing the original reports we are unable to find any information, which determines the identity of the remains.

She disappeared in Wausau 1 1/2 hrs away.

“Authorities are not any closer to find Cindy Jones nearly 35 years after her disappearance. Cindy was last seen by a neighbor on June 29, 1984.

The neighbor described her as bloodied and bruised in a domestic dispute with her husband, Norman Jones. Wausau Police were called to the home for a welfare check.

Norman Jones answered the door and told police Cindy had left out of a back door of the house. Authorities left the residence without checking for Cindy.

According to case files released to the National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs), Norman later told a girlfriend he strangled Cindy to death and buried her body on a job site in a gravel pit in either Medford or Park Falls.

In February of 1985, Norman Jones was arrested and charged with Cindy's murder. However, Norman was released in May after charges were dismissed because police could not locate Cindy's body.

A few days from the 35th year of her disappearance the Wisconsin Missing Person Advocacy Inc. is renewing calls for information and answers for Cindy and the three children she left behind.

"Somebody somewhere knows something. These cases are solvable. There are people out there who could bring answers especially for her children" said Marsha Loritz, president of the Wisconsin Missing Person Advocacy Inc.

To this day, Norman remains the prime suspect in Cindy's disappearance. Norman had fled the state of Wisconsin after being released for Cindy's murder.

Documents show Norman moved to Florida but it wasn't long before authorities believe he killed again. In April of 1990, Norman strangled a girlfriend after it is presumed, she threatened to leave him as Cindy had done in 1984.

Florida police were preparing to arrest him, but Norman took his own life with an overdose of prescription drugs. Marsha Loritz said with Cindy's remains still missing and no new information to go off of, the children have suffered the deaths of their parents without being able to grieve.

"Her family right now... They don't have anything. They don't have answers as to what happened to her. They don't have her remains and they deserve to have her remains. They deserve to know what happened to her-- to know where she is." Loritz said.

If you have information that may help locate Cindy's remains call the Wausau Police Department (715) 261-7800. Without having information, Loritz said the best thing a person can do to help is to share Cindy's story on social media.

Cindy was 29 when she went missing.”

Wausau woman has been missing for 35 years

 

[BrownBear]

Carol Joyce Wells?
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

 

[victoriarobinson642]

Carol Joyce Wells?
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Did you end up submitting Carol? I feel like there's a real possibility of this being her.

 

[BrownBear]

Did you end up submitting Carol? I feel like there's a real possibility of this being her.

No, You can if you want to.

 

[DS2021]

Ruleouts

Missing Person / NamUs #MP57021
Bonnie Repinski
Date of Last Contact
August 12, 1975
State
WI
County
Winnebago

Missing Person / NamUs #MP19994
Dona Bayerl
Date of Last Contact
May 06, 1979
State
WI
County
Waukesha

 

[DS2021]

No, You can if you want to.

Has anyone submitted this?

 

[DS2021]

I just sent this potential match to a staff member at the Winnebago county MEs office

 

[SteffyWoo12]

bump

 

[heartanium]

27 August 1985, The Oshkosh Northwestern, pg 7

"The skull was found off the west shore of the Wolf [River], south of the bridge in Winneconne."

"The skull belonged to a woman about 30 years old, and that it had been in the river between 15 and 40 years, probably around 20."

"The skull is dark brown from being in the water, and is missing the lower jaw and all but two of the upper teeth."

"I would tenetivley say she is of central of southern European ancestry."

27 August 1985, The Post-Crescent, pg 1, 2

"Two teeth were missing before death, all others are missing after death."

"It is conceivable an ice shove brought the skull there from a different area."

29 August 1985, The Oshkosh Northwestern, pg 4

"Divers have also found a wallet and a shotgun, both of which appeared to have been in the river a long time. It wasn't known if these items were in any way connected with the skull.

"The wallet appears to be a lady's wallet, with papers inside. Some paper money and other papers were inside but were badly deteriorated and illegible."

"Also found was a single-barrel shotgun, minus the stock..."It's so rusted that you can't tell for sure what gauge or brand name it is. It's obviously very, very old. It's a single-barrel, it appeared so hold a regular shotgun shell, but has an old-style hammer, like the flintlock hammer.""

29 August 1985, The Post-Crescent, pg 17, 21

"The wallet contained a $1 bill, a silver certificate which the federal government stopped issuing in 1957. Since that time they've issued federal reserve notes, and most silver certificates were quickly taken from service."

 

[heartanium]

If the shotgun and the wallet are indeed related to the skull, maybe it could be Mildred E. Stiller (MP94464)? Missing from Green Bay, WI in 1958. She was 40 years old and disappeared the day she was granted a divorce from her husband. Her husband was found dead a few days later from suicide. Winneconne is about 1hr away from Green Bay.

 

[Friday Fan]

The gun was likely 19th Century, according to Wikipedia article on flintlock hammer. They were manufactured 17-19th Century.


I think one appears in the 1903 movie, "The Great Train Robbery"

Pretty sure reproductions were created for modern westerns.

 

[Romulus]

1121UFWI- Unidentified Female​

Date of Discovery: July 26, 1985
Location of Discovery: Winneconne, Winnebago County, Wisconsin
Estimated Date of Death: Years prior
State of Remains: Skull Only
Cause of Death: Unknown

Physical Description​

Estimated Age: 30-65 years old
Race: Unknown
Sex: Female
Height: Cannot Estimate
Weight: Cannot Estimate
Hair Color: Unknown
Eye Color: Unknown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: None; Partial skeletal parts only

Identifiers​

Dentals: Available
Fingerprints: Not Available
DNA: Available

Clothing & Personal Items​

Clothing: None
Jewelry: None
Additional Personal Items: None

Circumstances of Discovery​

On 07/26/1985 at 1936, two teenage boys were snorkeling in the Wolf River near 409 First Street in Winneconne WI, looking for glass bottles and found a human skull. They immediately contacted law enforcement and turned it in. A 60' x 35' grid search (in the river) was completed by the WISO dive team and no other remains were found. In viewing the original reports we are unable to find any information, which determines the identity of the remains.

Investigating Agency(s)​

Agency Name: Winnebago County Coroner's Office
Agency Phone Number: 920-236-4804
Agency Name: Winnebago County Sheriff’s Office
Agency Phone Number: 920-727-2888
Agency Case Number: 85-5624

Agency Name: Winnebago County Sheriff's Office
Agency Contact Person: Kelly Schmitz, Evidence/Records Supervisor
Agency Phone Number: 920-727-2888
Agency E-Mail: Unknown
Agency Case Number: 85-5624

NCIC Case Number: N/A
NamUs Case Number: UP#12361

Information Source(s)​

NamUs

1121UFWI