Will Casey face probation?

[Searchfortruth]

I remember, as many of you do, the sentencing hearing when probation was discussed. At the time, I thought the whole idea of probation was ridiculous anyway, because she was never getting out of prison. I think the state may have been thinking the same.

 

[cuppy199]

Im personally tired of hearing this case is high profile and that some how gives this felon special treatment. IMO I know actually where JP stand he said it all in his last ruling over the juries names being released. He is gonna let her yet again get away with her punishment because he thinks its unfair how the media has done this case. All I have to say is JP the person who made this case a circus is the one who waited 31 days to report her child missing and threw her away like trash. This whole thing has taught KA nothing except if you want to murder someone and throw them away like trash move back to Florida.:twocents:

 

[Prof]

I remember, as many of you do, the sentencing hearing when probation was discussed. At the time, I thought the whole idea of probation was ridiculous anyway, because she was never getting out of prison. I think the state may have been thinking the same.

I agree. I would go further to say that the judge did consider a possible acquittal, or he would not have bothered stipulating that probation would be served when she was released.

 

[rotterdam]

This whole probation thing is turning into a collective CYA.
I also like to point the DT surely knew from day 1 ,that starting of probation in January 2O10 was in violation of the Judge's order from the previous day. They might have even advised those DOC employees (who most likely were not in the courtroom during sentencing the day before) to proceed in this manner, using the written order as back up.
The whole thing is just disgusting and I see the evil manipulative hand of the DT in this probation fiasco from day 1..

 

[SilkySifaka]

The DT acknowledges the original sentencing... a year's probation AFTER release.
"However the original order of probation did not state this provision."

Can someone explain? Did not the order follow the sentencing? Was it a typo? Would not the original sentencing rule?
Confused.

ETA I turned on HLN to JB making a statement about 60 days to correct orders...

Essentially that the judge may have said after sentencing but his order did not and therefore legally it could be served during the time she was in jail.

Think of it like this, if a judge says in court that he will sentence someone to 6 months, then they go behind doors and he changes it to 3 in his order, the 3 months will stand.

JB probably meant there is a law saying orders must be corrected within 60 days if in error.

Which would make sense because the state cannot willynilly decide later they didn't like how their order (of any sort with anyone) worked out 5 years down the line or 3 years down the line.

For someone who had served a years time in prison and then been released for example, the state can't come back a year later and say we meant for it to be 2 years. Sentences have to be determinate and the convicted know what the punishment is.

Strickland was the one in error here IMO. He did not check that the order was exactly as he stated he wanted it. Now its like double jeopardy in that he tried to come back and get another bite at the apple (his order) more than 2 years later.

make sense?

 

[badme102]

The DT acknowledges the original sentencing... a year's probation AFTER release.
"However the original order of probation did not state this provision."

Can someone explain? Did not the order follow the sentencing? Was it a typo? Would not the original sentencing rule?
Confused.

ETA I turned on HLN to JB making a statement about 60 days to correct orders...

In my understanding, Strickland verbally said 'after release' but the written court order did not specify that, yet he signed it anyway. It doesn't matter because by law, if the spoken order (from the judge) and the written order have any discrepancies, the spoken order rules.

Also, the date of August 11th is wrong. Surprising? Nope, not to me!

 

[raeann]

The DT acknowledges the original sentencing... a year's probation AFTER release.
"However the original order of probation did not state this provision."

Can someone explain? Did not the order follow the sentencing? Was it a typo? Would not the original sentencing rule?
Confused.

ETA I turned on HLN to JB making a statement about 60 days to correct orders...

According to MANY media "experts" reports...the order typed/produced/issued by his office after the sentencing did NOT contain the instructions regarding AFTER release. Judge S. had 60 days to review and amend that order......he never did so.....time expired, moot point. The probation was begun in prison, there are records of PO visits......order never amended, or corrected. So........


In legal circles, what Judge S did is equivalent to lighting a grenade and tossing it to Judge P.....then running himself to a foxhole somewhere. Judge S. made the mistake by not checking and correcting the order and now he expects Judge P to take the heat because no matter what the decision, he will be criticized and condemned by the angry masses.

jmo

 

[Patty G]

http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=6214545

Nothing about a Friday hearing.

08/02/2011 Motion
Emergency; for Hearing to Quash, Vacate and Set Aside Court's Order
08/03/2011 Order
of Recusal. Case Reassigned to Division 16 - Judge Perry
08/03/2011 Order
Staying Amended Order of Probation

9th Judicial Circuit
JUDGE BELVIN PERRY, JR. / DIVISION 02
------------------- Schedule for Friday, August 05, 2011 -------------------
9:00 am 30 min Case: 48-2008-CF-13331-O- Motion: EMERGENCY MOTION FOR HEARING TO QUASH, VACATE, AND SET ASIDE COURT'S ORDER
STATE OF FLORIDA

FRANK GEORGE vs. CASEY MARIE ANTHONY

J. CHENEY MASON

Notes: HELD IN COURTROOM 6D - DEFENDANT WILL NOT BE PRESENT FOR HEARING

Go here: http://www.ninja9.org/jacsatt/attdocketframe.asp

Select Criminal Division 99
Select 8/5/11

 

[SilkySifaka]

This whole probation thing is turning into a collective CYA.
I also like to point the DT surely knew from day 1 ,that starting of probation in January 2O10 was in violation of the Judge's order from the previous day. They might have even advised those DOC employees (who most likely were not in the courtroom during sentencing the day before) to proceed in this manner, using the written order as back up.
The whole thing is just disgusting and I see the evil manipulative hand of the DT in this probation fiasco from day 1..

The buck stopped with the judge. If he didn't bother to read his order before he signed it then that is on him.

As much as KC is hated and imo got away with murder it would be a terrible precedent to have judges orders changed whenever they wanted and that means that they need to ensure they are correct.

It certainly is not the DT's fault if the judge changed the order (as far as what the paperwork said) and not their responaibilty to ask the judge. If he decided to allow it to be served in prison, you take it. Their responsibility is to the person charged/convicted. The state also fell down, as their responsibility was to make sure the orders also said what they wanted but the bottom line is the judge made an error in signing an order that was not what he wanted.

He can't (or shouldn't be allowed to) come back years later and then change it...not because of KC but because of all the other people out there who could then have orders changed or stood on their heads. That could affect actual sentences not just probation.

 

[snowdaze]

Ha! JVM just said it right! The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing!, LOL And the TH, this is an embarrassment to the state of Florida. Boy, they got that right!

And also added that this whole circus is disrespectful to the memory of Caylee Anthony! IMO, I agree!

 

[SilkySifaka]

According to MANY media "experts" reports...the order typed/produced/issued by his office after the sentencing did NOT contain the instructions regarding AFTER release. Judge S. had 60 days to review and amend that order......he never did so.....time expired, moot point. The probation was begun in prison, there are records of PO visits......order never amended, or corrected. So........


In legal circles, what Judge S did is equivalent to lighting a grenade and tossing it to Judge P.....then running himself to a foxhole somewhere. Judge S. made the mistake by not checking and correcting the order and now he expects Judge P to take the heat because no matter what the decision, he will be criticized and condemned by the angry masses.

jmo

ITA! how people are angry at Perry and not Judge S is beyond me. He did not amend in 60 days.

Then to recuse himself and go on vacation after changing it more than a year or two later leaving the appeal to Perry is.....cowardly IMO

 

[JSR]

I have absolutely no faith that Casey will be held accountable for probation anymore than she was for the murder of her daughter. This girl is like Teflon nothing sticks to her. She will remain free to mooch off society and her DT as she has been since her release. Free to shop with other peoples money at old navy and drink her starbucks. It's disgusting what this "thing" has gotten away with.

I almost think it's a waste of time to even try to get her to be held accountable and be treated like any other normal citizen would.

But I do admire Judge S for trying to do something just seems like it's a waste, a huge waste because Casey always always I mean always gets out of her jams. This time will be no different. We are talking about Casey having gotten away with murder, getting out of probation will be no different for her.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

So ... there will be a hearing on Friday morning, August 5.

Of course ... CM and JB will be there "whining" to the Judge how "unfair" their client has been treated ... and that she should NOT have to serve probation ... blah blah blah ...

And of course ... Judge Perry is going to "grant" the DT's request for NO probation for the "princess" ... blah blah blah ...

The Pinellas 12 not guilty verdict was bad enough ...

Judge Perry is going to let this "slide by" ... he's "done" with this whole case ... he doesn't want to see or hear from any of them again -- except maybe his Jury from Pinellas ...

CFCA will NEVER EVER be held RESPONSIBLE for anything in her life if Judge Perry lets her slide out of this on Friday !

MOO MOO MOO

:sick::sick::sick:

 

[rotterdam]

That's insanity and gives me reason to hope that probation was not served because all they did was visit her once. No drug tests, nothing. Let's see what kind of records they have. I'm sure they will be required to produce them.

I can see the logic of the probation officer meeting her only once in person. The probation dept is probably very busy with other outside clients. Kind of a duplication of efforts/waste of time to visit a probationer that is already under constant supervision by other DOC employees.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Friday morning then...well, the ball is definitely in Judge Perry's court ! We'll see what he does with it.

In other words, have a nice day, Casey, you're free to go.:banghead:

 

[cuppy199]

The buck stopped with the judge. If he didn't bother to read his order before he signed it then that is on him.

As much as KC is hated and imo got away with murder it would be a terrible precedent to have judges orders changed whenever they wanted and that means that they need to ensure they are correct.

It certainly is not the DT's fault if the judge changed the order (as far as what the paperwork said) and not their responaibilty to ask the judge. If he decided to allow it to be served in prison, you take it. Their responsibility is to the person charged/convicted. The state also fell down, as their responsibility was to make sure the orders also said what they wanted but the bottom line is the judge made an error in signing an order that was not what he wanted.

He can't (or shouldn't be allowed to) come back years later and then change it...not because of KC but because of all the other people out there who could then have orders changed or stood on their heads. That could affect actual sentences not just probation.

I disagree it human error and not every judge in every state is on camera during sentencing. It would be one thing if he wasnt cought on tape and then filed this order.In the tape it clearly says what his sentencing was it should be enforced.:twocents:

 

[cuppy199]

ITA! how people are angry at Perry and not Judge S is beyond me. He did not amend in 60 days.

Then to recuse himself and go on vacation after changing it more than a year or two later leaving the appeal to Perry is.....cowardly IMO

This order had nothing to do with my dissapointment in JP he did that all on his own when he didnt enforce his own rules in his court room.

 

[rotterdam]

According to MANY media "experts" reports...the order typed/produced/issued by his office after the sentencing did NOT contain the instructions regarding AFTER release. Judge S. had 60 days to review and amend that order......he never did so.....time expired, moot point. The probation was begun in prison, there are records of PO visits......order never amended, or corrected. So........


In legal circles, what Judge S did is equivalent to lighting a grenade and tossing it to Judge P.....then running himself to a foxhole somewhere. Judge S. made the mistake by not checking and correcting the order and now he expects Judge P to take the heat because no matter what the decision, he will be criticized and condemned by the angry masses.

jmo

There is no evidence to believe that both Judges are not working in tandem.
Besides Judge Perry did not vacate the order.

 

[Murphismo]

She's not teflon folks; everybody's luck runs out at some time. We all thought her hit on the bottom would be a sprint, I think it's going to be a marathon and might take some time. No way in H-E double hockey sticks is she doing probation in Orange Co. if she does it at all. We have a better shot at the feds trying her and that's not going to happen. In the end, she will cause her own downfall. The money will run out once the initial hoopla wears off, the DT will get sick of taking care of her once she can no longer provide a meal ticket. Make no mistake, they're ONLY in it for the money. It's like gambling, every time you win you get more gutsy (stupid) and she's the sort of person that won't quit while she's ahead. In the end, she'll lose it all. I just wouldn't hold my breath for it to be tomorrow. She WILL give an interview, she WILL make money, but there are a lot of people in line for that money, and she can't sneeze without her DT, you can bet your sox they're taking a hefty cut right off the top and then there are taxes, lawsuits...

 

[Schu7]

I get up to find out the Florida court clown show has played another act??? What is with the lack of any justice down there???