Will JBR ever have justice?

[JMO8778]

You wont believe this but I cant find any photos of little Jason Midyette I find photos of Molly and Alex even the grandfather. None of Jason I know I have seen in tv a photo of him on life support on Channel nine news back with the conviction of Molly Midyette. The photo that stands out in my mind is one of where Alex Midyettes face appears enraged that was taken of him in a courtroom. That picture can be found posted on Cyberslueths. I know we cant post pictures here or I would do so. This guy comes off as a real rageoholic. I will keep searching I will go to 9 news and see if I can find anything archieved. That little baby was only what, 10 weeks old? The death penalty is too good. Go to cybersluethis if you can and see the picture I am speaking of on Alex Midyette .

I've seen that one,I agree,and when I was researching the case,I came across an article about Alex beating a woman at an intersection;it was so bad she couldn't see b/c of blood in her eyes.He left the scene,went home and changed his bloody shirt,then returned.At the time I didn't know which of the parents was responsible for actually injuring the baby,but just from reading that,I had a pretty good idea it was him.He sounds as if he has a raging temper.
and thx for looking.

 

[BBB167893]

I feel this statement is true and in effect doesn't that mean that JR and BR chose Patsy over Jonbenet?

Think about it from their position: JB was dead, and nothing could help her now. But Patsy could be saved from going to prison, most likely dying there. If they were to throw her to the wolves, they would have killed her too, in a way.

I'm not heartless.

 

[cami]

absolutely,and they didn't do what was best for Patsy either,IMO.She really needed a thorough psych exam,and to put on the right meds,not drugged up by a pediatrician instead.I think it's a shame she wasn't.JR wasn't doing her any favors by not doing the right thing.He handled it all the wrong way.
And even if that had happened,she still should have been held accountable.By that I don't mean a long prison sentence,I doubt she would have gotten that anyway.I mean acknowledgment that she did it,and accepting whatever sentence she was handed down,and I don't think it would have been much,out of sympathy for her cancer possibly returning.What Patsy (and the rest of those who lie/lied) don't seem to understand is that they would have felt better about themselves,not worse,if they'd all done the right thing.I can't believe that deep down,any of those who lie about this case truly feel good about themselves.

I agree about the accident. However, what would the R's have to hide that led them to stage that molestation scene? Patsy could have been offered manslaughter and served no time. JR took complete control so it's something he needed to cover up. He needed Patsy drugged up like that so she wouldn't spill the beans. This is just my opinion though.

 

[Albert18]

Have you ever considered the possibility that nobody knows what really happened that night between JonBenet and Patsy, except Patsy.

She must have told John and others in the family something, but what.

John made his decision based on what he was told, maybe it wasn't the truth.

Nobody should say Burke didn't stand by JonBenet, he was way too young.

 

[JMO8778]

I agree Albert.BR was only close to 10 yrs old.I'm not saying he's guilty of anything.But surely by now,being an adult and based on all he knows that he was told to do-starting w. going right back to bed and leaving for FW's house without saying a word to anybody,not being allowed to ask any questions -he knows something is amiss? But again,I'm not judging him.Who knows what he was told.But I don't buy Patsy's story that they never discussed it w. him.Surely he was at the least prepped b/f talking to LE when he was brought in.But again,that doesn't make him guilty of anything.

 

[JMO8778]

I agree about the accident. However, what would the R's have to hide that led them to stage that molestation scene? Patsy could have been offered manslaughter and served no time. JR took complete control so it's something he needed to cover up. He needed Patsy drugged up like that so she wouldn't spill the beans. This is just my opinion though.

..one thought that comes to mind is Patsy staging it to appear a sexual predator took her,and since the RN makes a comment about her remains being denied,perhaps she was going to be removed from the house.The other is it was done to cover past abuse,inc. Patsy corporally cleaning her.
I don't think Patsy would have ever admitted anything.Her reputation and public image were way too important to her.
On being drugged up..I'm not sure JR would have allowed her to be on tv so medicated if he were the guilty one.There might be more chance she would say the wrong thing.JMO though.

 

[IrishMist]

I think Patsy did it to make it look like a crazed sexual attack. Her drive to do what needed to be done is what gave her the mental strength and ability to do it.

She was setting the stage with both the note and JonBenet's body to look as she imagined it would be if a crazed intruder committed the crime. Which is why it's so obviously fake. Most normal people have no concept of what a true crime scene looks like... just what they imagine, or see in the movies.

 

[BBB167893]

Let me pose this generally: what happens when you here about children being molested?

To anyone who says that their emotions take over, I think that's what she was counting on.

 

[DeeDee249]

Let me pose this generally: what happens when you here about children being molested?

To anyone who says that their emotions take over, I think that's what she was counting on.

Absolutely. There is no crime as horrific to people as child molestation/murder. It makes the blood boil. The Rs were also counting on the fact that many people, espcially those who are not exposed to such crimes very often, would think that a parent (especially a mother-and a doting mother at that) could never do that. We all know that is exactly what the Grand Jury thought, as well as some LE.

 

[concernedperson]

I don't think this case will ever be solved but I do have opinions on it. I hope JBR is having fun in heaven and not with people who have harmed her.

 

[DeeDee249]

I am sure she is NOT with people who have harmed her. It wouldn't be "heaven" for her then, IMO.

 

[concernedperson]

I am sure she is NOT with people who have harmed her. It wouldn't be "heaven" for her then, IMO.

ITA. I believe she is in a better place.

 

[JMO8778]

ITA. I believe she is in a better place.

me too.

 

[DeeDee249]

Do you think Patsy ever told anyone? I think she might have confided in her sister Pam.

Pam had to wonder about some of the items the R's asked her to retrieve from the house after the murder. The Golf bag?

I think the only hope of this ever being solved is if either John or Pam making a death bed confession.

I have been thinking about Aunt P and her house raid. I find it simply incredible that LE never went with her through the house and catalogued what she removed.
JBR wore pink pajamas Cristmas Eve- she is seen in them in photos Christmas morning. If you look at the crime scene photos of JBR's room, there is a pink garment on the bed that looks like those pajamas. When asked, PR stated that it was her pajama TOP. Now, where were those bottoms? The R house was an untidy one, I can totally see JBR taking her pajamas off and leaving them on her unmade bed Christmas morning. I can see PR not making the beds (her housekeeper would have done this when she was there; she did not come Christmas Day).
We have only PR's word that she couldn't find her pajama bottoms and that's why she put the long johns on her. What if that isn't true? What if she put the pink pajamas on her and THOSE were stained (feces, urine, BLOOD?) Maybe the original Bloomies' panties and pink pajama bottoms were both stained with blood and thats why they were replaced. I don't recall ever seeing PR questioned about where the pink pajama bottoms were; she also admitted buying the Bloomies panties for JBR IN HER CORRECT SIZE. Why was she not asked where they were? I never recall seeing that any Bloomies panties of ANY size were taken into evidence, nor those pink pajamas. PR admitted buying the panties in two sizes, JBR's and cousin Jenny. (the larger size 12) We know the Rs sent along the size 12s to LE MONTHS after they moved to Atlanta. Why did LE never ask about the size 6 panties or the pink pajamas she was known to own? They disappeared - I wonder where and why? I believe Aunty took them, too. She had plenty of time...PR and JR had a few days to get together a list of what to take.
Then...before you knew it- the home was released to the family and promptly EMPTIED wall to wall. Then it was sold to a group of R friends (and I bet some of those "friends" were their defense lawyers) and it was stripped bare, painted, carpets replaced- the whole house sanitized. The crime scene gone forever. Even the wineceller was walled up!
Anyone here ever hear about those pajamas?

 

[UKGuy]

I have been thinking about Aunt P and her house raid. I find it simply incredible that LE never went with her through the house and catalogued what she removed.
JBR wore pink pajamas Cristmas Eve- she is seen in them in photos Christmas morning. If you look at the crime scene photos of JBR's room, there is a pink garment on the bed that looks like those pajamas. When asked, PR stated that it was her pajama TOP. Now, where were those bottoms? The R house was an untidy one, I can totally see JBR taking her pajamas off and leaving them on her unmade bed Christmas morning. I can see PR not making the beds (her housekeeper would have done this when she was there; she did not come Christmas Day).
We have only PR's word that she couldn't find her pajama bottoms and that's why she put the long johns on her. What if that isn't true? What if she put the pink pajamas on her and THOSE were stained (feces, urine, BLOOD?) Maybe the original Bloomies' panties and pink pajama bottoms were both stained with blood and thats why they were replaced. I don't recall ever seeing PR questioned about where the pink pajama bottoms were; she also admitted buying the Bloomies panties for JBR IN HER CORRECT SIZE. Why was she not asked where they were? I never recall seeing that any Bloomies panties of ANY size were taken into evidence, nor those pink pajamas. PR admitted buying the panties in two sizes, JBR's and cousin Jenny. (the larger size 12) We know the Rs sent along the size 12s to LE MONTHS after they moved to Atlanta. Why did LE never ask about the size 6 panties or the pink pajamas she was known to own? They disappeared - I wonder where and why? I believe Aunty took them, too. She had plenty of time...PR and JR had a few days to get together a list of what to take.
Then...before you knew it- the home was released to the family and promptly EMPTIED wall to wall. Then it was sold to a group of R friends (and I bet some of those "friends" were their defense lawyers) and it was stripped bare, painted, carpets replaced- the whole house sanitized. The crime scene gone forever. Even the wineceller was walled up!
Anyone here ever hear about those pajamas?

DeeDee249,
The pink pajama bottoms may be a casualty of the trashing of the crime-scene, you have to wonder, if they were ever on JonBenet, why would the top would be left in plain view on her bed, in much the same manner her pink barbie-gown was left inside the wine-cellar?

The BPD have never released any information regarding the sizes, colors, or day-of-the-week underwear recovered from the Ramsey household e.g. to date we do not know if a Wednesday size-6 pair is missing? This forms a part in the rationale of most PDI theories, on the basis they are missing. This suggests that the underwear is important, so much so that once the Ramsey's relaized this, they decided to take a credibility hit, and discover a pack of size-12's tucked away in some recently opened packing crate, no mention whether there were seven or less pairs in this pack though? Never mind if the pairs of size-6's were in consecutive day order suggesting JonBenet did indeed wear underwear corresponding to the day-of-the-week.

Here is Patsy's outright lie to the interviewers:
http://www.jonbenetindexguide.com/2000ATL-Patsy-Interview-Complete.htm

2 MS. HARMER: But you specifically
13 remember her putting on the bigger pair?
14 And I am not saying --
15 THE WITNESS: They were just in
16 her panty drawer, so I don't, you know, I
17 don't pay attention. I mean, I just put all
18 of her clean panties in a drawer and she can
19 help herself to whatever is in there.
20 MS. HARMER: I guess I am not
21 clear on, you bought the panties to give to
22 Jenny.
23 THE WITNESS: Right.
24 MS. HARMER: And they ended up in
25 JonBenet's bathroom?

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1 A. Right.
2 Q. (By Ms. Harmer) Was there - I'm
3 sorry. Do you recall making a decision then
4 not to give them to Jenny or did JonBenet
5 express an interest in them; therefore, you
6 didn't give them to Jenny? How did that --
7 A. I can't say for sure. I mean, I
8 think I bought them with the intention of
9 sending them in a package of Christmas things
10 to Atlanta. Obviously I didn't get that
11 together, so I just put them in her, her
12 panty drawer. So they were free game.

No size-12 panties were found in her drawer at all.

As I recalled:

25 I think I bought a package to give to my

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1 niece.

2 Q. Which niece was that?

3 A. Jenny Davis.

4 Q. They came in, if you recall, do

5 you remember that they come in kind of a

6 plastic see-through plastic container.

7 A. Right.

8 Q. They are rolled up?

9 A. Yes.

10 Q. So if I understand you correctly,

11 you bought one package for Jenny Davis, your

12 niece, and one for JonBenet?

13 A. I am not sure if I bought one or

14 two.

15 Q. Do you remember what size they

16 were?

17 A. Not exactly.

Later on about the gift wrapping:

25 Q. Okay. So if there was an

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1 unopened package, it would have been left in

2 the house?

3 A. Yes.

The Ramsey house was sold to some property company controlled by a group of real-estate developers in which John Ramsey was alleged to be a long time partner? FYI: Alex Hunter was a millionaire land developer prior to running for the office of DA.

 

[JMO8778]

The Ramsey house was sold to some property company controlled by a group of real-estate developers in which John Ramsey was alleged to be a long time partner? FYI: Alex Hunter was a millionaire land developer prior to running for the office of DA.

..they sure were going to get the money from that house somehow,weren't they?! ..either from a fake foundation/charity,or via some other means.

 

[JMO8778]

2 MS. HARMER: But you specifically
13 remember her putting on the bigger pair?
14 And I am not saying --
15 THE WITNESS: They were just in
16 her panty drawer, so I don't, you know, I
17 don't pay attention. I mean,

very weak statements !

I just put all
18 of her clean panties in a drawer and she can
19 help herself to whatever is in there.

trying to say JB put them on herself,much as JR implied when he said JB couldn't read the nametags on the gifts.

20 MS. HARMER: I guess I am not
21 clear on, you bought the panties to give to
22 Jenny.
23 THE WITNESS: Right.
24 MS. HARMER: And they ended up in
25 JonBenet's bathroom?

87
1 A. Right.
2 Q. (By Ms. Harmer) Was there - I'm
3 sorry. Do you recall making a decision then
4 not to give them to Jenny or did JonBenet
5 express an interest in them; therefore, you
6 didn't give them to Jenny? How did that --
7 A. I can't say for sure. I mean, I
8 think I bought them with the intention of
9 sending them in a package of Christmas things
10 to Atlanta. Obviously I didn't get that
11 together, so I just put them in her, her
12 panty drawer.

..whenever Patsy lies,her statements become very weak...
..same below:





25 I think I boughta package to give to my

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1 niece.

2 Q. Which niece was that?

3 A. Jenny Davis.

4 Q. They came in, if you recall, do

5 you remember that they come in kind of a

6 plastic see-through plastic container.

7 A. Right.

8 Q. They are rolled up?

9 A. Yes.

10 Q. So if I understand you correctly,

11 you bought one package for Jenny Davis, your

12 niece, and one for JonBenet?

13 A. I am not sure if I bought one or

14 two.

15 Q. Do you remember what size they

16 were?

17 A. Not exactly.

Later on about the gift wrapping:
Quote:
25 Q. Okay. So if there was an

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1 unopened package, it would have been left in

2 the house?

3 A. Yes.

she lies,because the size 12's had been opened !

 

[DeeDee249]

She also lied about not remembering of she bought one or two sets of Bloomies panties. She had admitted buying a set for JBR and a set for Jenny. That is 2 sets. She knew that very well.
It is also only PR's word that she sent the size 12 that she had bought the moth before the murder- the ones she bought on her shopping trip to NYC. Bloomies STILL sells little girls' panties like that. They could have been bought after the Rs moved back to Atlanta- and they would have still been available.
As far as the R house being bought by that corporation- it was about the money, but more important in MY mind it was about completely erasing any evidence that may have been missed. Think what could have been done with today's crime scene methods- every droplet of blood, every splatter, even TEARS can be discerned. They can lift prints from a dead body.
There were prints incriminating someone somewhere in that house, you can be sure of it.
But when it was sold - every wall was painted, carpets were removed (there go the urine/blood stains) and the wineceller was sealed behind a wall. The home was completely sanitized. If it hadn't been for the fact that they DID want to make money, they would have razed the house completely.

 

[Ames]

She also lied about not remembering of she bought one or two sets of Bloomies panties. She had admitted buying a set for JBR and a set for Jenny. That is 2 sets. She knew that very well.
It is also only PR's word that she sent the size 12 that she had bought the moth before the murder- the ones she bought on her shopping trip to NYC. Bloomies STILL sells little girls' panties like that. They could have been bought after the Rs moved back to Atlanta- and they would have still been available.
As far as the R house being bought by that corporation- it was about the money, but more important in MY mind it was about completely erasing any evidence that may have been missed. Think what could have been done with today's crime scene methods- every droplet of blood, every splatter, even TEARS can be discerned. They can lift prints from a dead body.
There were prints incriminating someone somewhere in that house, you can be sure of it.
But when it was sold - every wall was painted, carpets were removed (there go the urine/blood stains) and the wineceller was sealed behind a wall. The home was completely sanitized. If it hadn't been for the fact that they DID want to make money, they would have razed the house completely.

This is exactly what I believe happened. They bought a whole new pack...goodness knows they had plenty of time to rebuy them. No prints...no dna....no nothing.

 

[JMO8778]

As far as the R house being bought by that corporation- it was about the money, but more important in MY mind it was about completely erasing any evidence that may have been missed. Think what could have been done with today's crime scene methods- every droplet of blood, every splatter, even TEARS can be discerned. They can lift prints from a dead body.
There were prints incriminating someone somewhere in that house, you can be sure of it.
But when it was sold - every wall was painted, carpets were removed (there go the urine/blood stains) and the wineceller was sealed behind a wall. The home was completely sanitized. If it hadn't been for the fact that they DID want to make money, they would have razed the house completely.

oh absolutely it was about erasing any possible evidence that might have been left,I just mean,after that was done,they weren't about to just donate any money from the sale of the house to a good cause,as their fake foundation proposed;it was all about them and how they could get whatever they could out of it for themselves.