Will the Rebecca Zahau case be reopened?

Will the Rebecca Zahau case be reopened?

  • No

    Votes: 17 26.2%
  • Yes, if they get a new lead.

    Votes: 24 36.9%
  • Yes, if a new witness comes forward.

    Votes: 4 6.2%
  • I don't see any reason for the case to be reopened.

    Votes: 4 6.2%
  • I don't know.

    Votes: 16 24.6%

  • Total voters
    65
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  • #101
BBM. History in the Goldman/Brown case v OJ Simpson proves there doesn't need to be a successful prosecution or an AG investigation in order to succeed with a wrongful death lawsuit which is a civil action, not a criminal prosecution. Considering the amount of money Dina has already spent on experts, there is no reason not to proceed with such a lawsuit.

JMO

Hi My Belle! Welcome back.

Let me start with saying I am respectfully disagreeing with the legal merits of your using the Goldman vs Simpson wrongful death civil case as a comparable to if Dina should file a wrongful death civil case. The fact that my opinion differs on the merits of Dina's potential civil case against anyone for a "Wrongful Death" claim does not mean that I have anything less than the greatest amount of sympathy for Dina. No one should ever lose a child like this.

The standard to prove wrongful death in a civil case is much lower than in a criminal case. I am assuming that Dina looks at that and thinks "Well this should be easy then. The Goldman's won their case civilly when they lost it criminally so I should be able to bring in my witnesses, get some depositions and prove my case." Unfortunately for Dina, she will have a high mountain to climb for her case to even be agreed to be heard by the judge. The biggest difference here between the Simpson/Goldman case and the Shacknai case is that the police determined Ron Goldman's death to be a homicide. They determined that homicide to be committed by OJ Simpson. The case was thoroughly investigated by the police department and the District Attorneys office. Even after Simpson was found NOT guilty, Simpson was publicly referred to as being the only POI.

I'll list just some of the main differences below and compare the two. Just because I state something like "Max's fall was determined to be an accident" does not mean I agree with that assessment. I am just stating the facts as we know them and how a judge and the legal system will assess them. Its for these same reasons without the AG's office re opening either one of these cases both sides will have a very difficult time bringing a wrongful death lawsuit against anyone.

A. The OJ Simpson case was investigated quite thoroughly over a year by the police and the Da's office. There was mounds and mounds of evidence against OJ Simpson, with his blood being all over the crime scene. The case was declared a homicide with OJ arrested and tried as the murderer. Even after the trial was lost, and Mr Simpson went free, the police and Da's office still maintained that OJ was the murderer. The Goldmans's had the backing and support of the entire police department, their investigation and DA's investigation going into that civil litigation against OJ Simpson.

B. The Max Shacknai case was investigated for 7 weeks and subsequently determined to be nothing other than a tragic accident. The Coronado Police claim they came to this conclusion only after a full police investigation was done of the "accidental" fall. This includes a complete investigation done in the house of the accident scene and interviewing witnesses. Max's fall was declared an accident by the Coronado police.According to Dina the San Diego County District Attorney's office even assisted the Coronado police with their accidental fall diagram. The police and DA's office concluded there was nothing nefarious about Max's fall. The DA, Medical Examiner and police department all chose collectively to declare this an accident. Even when Dina presented them with her own expert analysis and opinions Coronado Police and San Diego Medical Examiner's office still maintained their conclusion that Max's fall and death were an accident. The Police and medical examiner office disagreed with Dina's expert's findings possibly because they felt were biased towards Dina's desired outcome to bolster upcoming litigation she has planned. Or maybe they just found them unreliable. Either way, Coronado Police chose not to reopen the case and keep it classified as an accident.

So as things stand rt now if Dina were to move forward with a wrongful death lawsuit: Max's case is still closed, a crime was never determined to have taken place, its been ruled an accident by multiple departments. The Coronado Police have indicated at this point they have no intention of changing any of their opinions or classification. The County Medical Examiner and apparently the District Attorney's office all backs them on this.

Again going back to The biggest difference here between the Simpson/Goldman case and the Shacknai case is that the police determined Ron Goldman's death to be a homicide. They determined that homicide to be committed by OJ Simpson. The case was thoroughly investigated by the police department and the District Attorneys office. Even after Simpson was found NOT guilty Simpson was publicly referred to as being the only POI.

Why is this such a big deal? Because if Dina decides to spend the money to bring a wrongful death claim against Jonah or the Zahaus, she will still have to fight to even have her case heard. Jonah has a lot of money and can hire the best in legal representation to argue the case to be without merit and to have the whole thing thrown out of court and dismissed. Dina needs to realize that with the Coronado police, SD county medical examiner's office, SD Sheriff and DA's office all disagreeing with her, and stating this being anything other than an accident, it will be very difficult , for her convince a SD judge that her case (lawsuit) should be heard in court. If a judge throws it out, that would mean no depositions for Dina, which is what MyBelle has indicated she really wants.

Looking further down the road, without the case being reopened by the AG's office, it makes winning a civil case like this nearly impossible. Jonah would be willing to spend as much money as possible on the very best legal representation and fight Dina pt by pt, especially if she names GS and ES as defendants. If by some chance the court agrees to hear the case, and millions in legal fees are spent, if Dina loses she can become responsible for the defendants legal fees. That will run in the millions. Based on history I am convinced that Jonah would go after everything Dina owns and is worth if she sues him in any case where he is named a defendant and Dina loses. Or if he is named as a defendant and HE loses he will appeal it for decades tying her up in the courts spending all her money trying to recover any money from him. He is no longer CEO of Medicis so he is not too concerned anymore with his behavior negatively affecting stock price.
 
  • #102
Excellent post, Mr. Spock. Very logical argument. I agree with all your points.

Thank you.
 
  • #103
Hi My Belle! Welcome back.

Let me start with saying I am respectfully disagreeing with the legal merits of your using the Goldman vs Simpson wrongful death civil case as a comparable to if Dina should file a wrongful death civil case. .[/B]

BBM and snipped. With all due respect, all I used the Goldman case as a comparison was to the fact that there doesn't need to be a successful prosecution or an AG investigation in order to file a civil lawsuit. From my own experience, I know filing a civil lawsuit isn't expensive, fairly easy to get rolling and fairly easy to win. The filing will be on Max's behalf. I don't believe any court would deny it.

Successful civil actions tied to accidents are filed and heard every day in courts. A jury decides which "expert" to believe. I don't believe Dina or her attorney are intimidated by Jonah nor do I believe Jonah will to try to fight Dina in court. It is entirely possible he or his insurance company have already "settled" with Dina and the terms are confidential.

JMO
 
  • #104
BBM and snipped. With all due respect, all I used the Goldman case as a comparison was to the fact that there doesn't need to be a successful prosecution or an AG investigation in order to file a civil lawsuit. From my own experience, I know filing a civil lawsuit isn't expensive, fairly easy to get rolling and fairly easy to win. The filing will be on Max's behalf. I don't believe any court would deny it.

Successful civil actions tied to accidents are filed and heard every day in courts. A jury decides which "expert" to believe. I don't believe Dina or her attorney are intimidated by Jonah nor do I believe Jonah will to try to fight Dina in court. It is entirely possible he or his insurance company have already "settled" with Dina and the terms are confidential.

JMO

<modsnip>. Whom ever Dina files a suit against will file motion after motion to have it thrown out. And knowing many of the presiding judges in San Diego Superior Court, just because they might feel sympathetic towards Dina because her son died in a horrible accident, they will not allow their ruling(s) to be clouded by that.
 
  • #105
BBM and snipped. With all due respect, all I used the Goldman case as a comparison was to the fact that there doesn't need to be a successful prosecution or an AG investigation in order to file a civil lawsuit. From my own experience, I know filing a civil lawsuit isn't expensive, fairly easy to get rolling and fairly easy to win. The filing will be on Max's behalf. I don't believe any court would deny it.

Successful civil actions tied to accidents are filed and heard every day in courts. A jury decides which "expert" to believe. I don't believe Dina or her attorney are intimidated by Jonah nor do I believe Jonah will to try to fight Dina in court. It is entirely possible he or his insurance company have already "settled" with Dina and the terms are confidential.

JMO

If it is true that Jonah has settled with her then do you think we will still be hearing from her in the media? Will she continue her media campaign to try and destroy Rebecca's character? She could damage her own credibility in the process as Dr. Melinek's report was less than stellar in proving Dina's suspicions.
 
  • #106
<modsnip>. Whom ever Dina files a suit against will file motion after motion to have it thrown out. And knowing many of the presiding judges in San Diego Superior Court, just because they might feel sympathetic towards Dina because her son died in a horrible accident, they will not allow their ruling(s) to be clouded by that.

I don't believe it is legally possible to file the same motion repeatedly.

JMO
 
  • #107
If it is true that Jonah has settled with her then do you think we will still be hearing from her in the media? Will she continue her media campaign to try and destroy Rebecca's character? She could damage her own credibility in the process as Dr. Melinek's report was less than stellar in proving Dina's suspicions.

I don't believe Dina has damaged her own credibility by speaking out. The media response has been very sympathetic toward her. If she files a lawsuit, it will be up to a jury to decide whether Dr. Melinek is credible.

JMO
 
  • #108
I don't believe it is legally possible to file the same motion repeatedly.

JMO

I did not state that the same motion would be filed repeatedly, but that there would be multiple motion after motion filed. That is a typical defense tactic.
 
  • #109
I did not state that the same motion would be filed repeatedly, but that there would be multiple motion after motion filed. That is a typical defense tactic.

Judges are used to such tactics and act swiftly once a case is on the docket.

JMO
 
  • #110
I don't believe Dina has damaged her own credibility by speaking out. The media response has been very sympathetic toward her. If she files a lawsuit, it will be up to a jury to decide whether Dr. Melinek is credible.

JMO

Really I thought just the opposite. That they were being nice to her to get the interview, but then she made herself look bad. Horrible in fact.
 
  • #111
Really I thought just the opposite. That they were being nice to her to get the interview, but then she made herself look bad. Horrible in fact.

A mother seeking answers about the death of her child isn't a horrible person, imo. I didn't find Dina horrible at all. I hope she eventually finds the answers she seeks.

JMO
 
  • #112
A mother seeking answers about the death of her child isn't a horrible person, imo. I didn't find Dina horrible at all. I hope she eventually finds the answers she seeks.

JMO

Hi MyBelle,

I too, truly hope that she gets the answers she is seeking. I can't imagine the loss she has sustained. However, I have to agree with Mr. Spock that the way she set forth doing this did not put her in a good light. DS was all over the MSM pointing her finger at RZ and having her paid experts do the same (without a lot backing them up). The overall effect of the media blitz was not so much of a grieving mother, but more so a woman bent on revenge and defamation. Her PR people failed her, IMO, that's how her effort was set up to fail. I really hope the people advising her did not know that going into it. DS is a grieving mother who absolutely deserves all the answers she is looking for.

Always, MOO
 
  • #113
Hi MyBelle,

I too, truly hope that she gets the answers she is seeking. I can't imagine the loss she has sustained. However, I have to agree with Mr. Spock that the way she set forth doing this did not put her in a good light. DS was all over the MSM pointing her finger at RZ and having her paid experts do the same (without a lot backing them up). The overall effect of the media blitz was not so much of a grieving mother, but more so a woman bent on revenge and defamation. Her PR people failed her, IMO, that's how her effort was set up to fail. I really hope the people advising her did not know that going into it. DS is a grieving mother who absolutely deserves all the answers she is looking for.

Always, MOO

And she totally alienated the CPD by her public trashing of them in the media........If she had tried a kinder, gentle approach with Chief Scanlon, perhaps he would have been more willing to listen to she and Ms. Hallier.
 
  • #114
Hi MyBelle,

I too, truly hope that she gets the answers she is seeking. I can't imagine the loss she has sustained. However, I have to agree with Mr. Spock that the way she set forth doing this did not put her in a good light. DS was all over the MSM pointing her finger at RZ and having her paid experts do the same (without a lot backing them up). The overall effect of the media blitz was not so much of a grieving mother, but more so a woman bent on revenge and defamation. Her PR people failed her, IMO, that's how her effort was set up to fail. I really hope the people advising her did not know that going into it. DS is a grieving mother who absolutely deserves all the answers she is looking for.

Always, MOO

I disagree. I think public opinion--including that of the news media-- is always overwhelmingly on the side of the parent of the dead child and not with the person(s) the parent sincerely believes caused the death.

In my opinion, the people advising Dina know the courtroom is the best place to not only point a finger but also back it up with real evidence and that will happen in due time.

JMO
 
  • #115
And she totally alienated the CPD by her public trashing of them in the media........If she had tried a kinder, gentle approach with Chief Scanlon, perhaps he would have been more willing to listen to she and Ms. Hallier.

Chief Scanlon is a big boy and his primary job is to serve and protect the public. If he is truly alienated by a mother begging him to investigate the circumstances of the death of her child, he isn't fit for the job. IMO, the real reason the case remains closed is purely financial. RZ isn't available to answer any questions and her sister doesn't live in the area.

JMO
 
  • #116
I disagree. I think public opinion--including that of the news media-- is always overwhelmingly on the side of the parent of the dead child and not with the person(s) the parent sincerely believes caused the death.

In my opinion, the people advising Dina know the courtroom is the best place to not only point a finger but also back it up with real evidence and that will happen in due time.

JMO

Well, the sentiment in San Diego & Coronado, is not in favor of Dina......she has done a great job of alienating people with regards to her method of seeking the truth. Most people view her in a very unfavorable way and are not sympathetic with her even though she lost a child. If I were her, I would be very concerned about a "jury of her peers" in San Diego County. Angela Hallier is not licensed to practice law in CA, so I doubt that she has any relevant insight into local proceedings, other than what someone who might have been hired as a local attorney has provided.
 
  • #117
Chief Scanlon is a big boy and his primary job is to serve and protect the public. If he is truly alienated by a mother begging him to investigate the circumstances of the death of her child, he isn't fit for the job. IMO, the real reason the case remains closed is purely financial. RZ isn't available to answer any questions and her sister doesn't live in the area.

JMO

Well, I happen to know the Chief, and his decision was not based upon financial reasons at all. Perhaps you should talk with him yourself.....I am sure that he would be happy to tell you exactly why he/CPD turned down Dina's request.

As a Psychologist, Dina should understand that the best way to get people to work/cooperate with you is by being opened minded, not going around and trashing them in the media for being incompetent, which is exactly what she did regarding Chief Scanlon and the CPD.
 
  • #118
Well, the sentiment in San Diego & Coronado, is not in favor of Dina......she has done a great job of alienating people with regards to her method of seeking the truth. Most people view her in a very unfavorable way and are not sympathetic with her even though she lost a child. If I were her, I would be very concerned about a "jury of her peers" in San Diego County. Angela Hallier is not licensed to practice law in CA, so I doubt that she has any relevant insight into local proceedings, other than what someone who might have been hired as a local attorney has provided.

Wow. If there are people who see Dina in an unfavorable light, that speaks more to their character than her's. I would never want to live in such a community that has no sympathy for a mother seeking the truth about the death of her child. I hope she or her attorney reads message forums and prints off negative comments. A Judge most certainly would want to make sure those that already hold an opinion must be prevented from being seated on a jury.

JMO
 
  • #119
Well, I happen to know the Chief, and his decision was not based upon financial reasons at all. Perhaps you should talk with him yourself.....I am sure that he would be happy to tell you exactly why he/CPD turned down Dina's request.

As a Psychologist, Dina should understand that the best way to get people to work/cooperate with you is by being opened minded, not going around and trashing them in the media for being incompetent, which is exactly what she did regarding Chief Scanlon and the CPD.

So, it's okay for Rebecca's family to criticize area law enforcement and you and many others to do so but not okay for a mother of a dead child to do so because she's a psychologist? I'm not following your logic. Doesn't the Chief work for citizens of the community? Aren't citizens allowed to express opinions freely and openly? Sounds like the Chief is retaliating against Dina for doing so.

JMO
 
  • #120
So, it's okay for Rebecca's family to criticize area law enforcement and you and many others to do so but not okay for a mother of a dead child to do so because she's a psychologist? I'm not following your logic. Doesn't the Chief work for citizens of the community? Aren't citizens allowed to express opinions freely and openly? Sounds like the Chief is retaliating against Dina for doing so.

JMO

I have never stated anything negative about CPD, nor has Rebecca's family......certainly not in MSM, which Dina has. And no, I don't believe that Chief Scanlon is retaliating aginst anyone. Like I suggested earlier upthread, perhaps you should contact him yourself and hear his side of the story.
 
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