Woman Gives Birth To Octuplets In California

[Boyz_Mum]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQSm19pS8bY

This maybe more than a few days old, but it's worth watching. Judge Judy speaks out on Suleman.

This was worth watching. Judge Judy was very well spoken in her opinions regarding Nadya's mental health and the financial angle of this case and Nadya's earnings.

Again, I think Nadya may be having payments written to someone else (her dad) while she still most likely collects food stamps and disability and no responsibility for the medical care of the octos. JMO!

 

[RhythmicSun]

BoyzMum, I did wonder if the fights between Nadya and her mother was starting to be staged. I think the conflict is real but at one point I thought they might be starting to be staged. I think Nadya's mother would prefer that something be done, but we really can't know because we don't have all the details. The gag order is highly suspicious.

I don't think there is any way she can get away with having everything in her father's name. She'll have to do a reality show just to pay back the taxpayer bill. And that is why this is a disaster waiting to happen, because the public is starting to lose interest, all while there is no security at the house and intruders jumping over the back fence with knowledge of the floor plan.

I don't think the radaronline videos will prove lack of supervision. They're not going to compromise their cash cow.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

BoyzMum, I did wonder if the fights between Nadya and her mother was starting to be staged. I think the conflict is real but at one point I thought they might be starting to be staged. I think Nadya's mother would prefer that something be done, but we really can't know because we don't have all the details. The gag order is highly suspicious.

I don't think there is any way she can get away with having everything in her father's name. She'll have to do a reality show just to pay back the taxpayer bill. And that is why this is a disaster waiting to happen, because the public is starting to lose interest, all while there is no security at the house and intruders jumping over the back fence with knowledge of the floor plan.

I don't think the radaronline videos will prove lack of supervision. They're not going to compromise their cash cow.

I almost totally believe the fights are staged- Angela's worn out appearance is about the only question in regards to her sincerity. Leaving for a couple of days as she has, only furthers our sympathy for her but honestly, why is she such a martyr? Before any of this came to light, she could have taken her plight to CPS or someone- she almost acts as though she is Nadya's slave and if she has taken care of the 6 children almost exclusively, why didn't she speak up then rather than wait till she was slapped with a gag order?

See, I do believe that Nadya and Gramps are fiddling with the paperwork and money trail- Nadya can make some money but Mr. Doud aka Mr. Suleman can make whatever he wants. Where there is a will, there's a way and I personally believe that this group has made a living off of some fraudulent dealings. This is only my opinion- I don't even know these people but I've encountered many who's love of money trumps everything and I don't see the Suleman/Doud family differently. (It could be my tunnel vision- I'd love to be wrong about what I think their intentions are.)

You are probably right about radar- right now they have no reason to kill their cash cow. Time will tell with that association (as it has in all the other broken relationships in the life of Octomom).

 

[JMO8778]

Nadya can only do so much signing over to her dad.I think that fall under the category of fraudulent conveyance,if I'm not mistaken.

As far as her 'spending sprees'.I know someone in advertising,and Nadya presents a unique situation in regards to that.
The general public isn't happy with her,and isn't happy with her getting free things,so..it tends to look better if she 'buys' them.
By that I mean I doubt she really spent $1000 on MAC or $1500 on clothes...(the obvious connection to Bebe Sport was a dead giveaway in the article,IMO).These things were probably given to her,in exchange for her allowing herself to be photographed 'buying' them,probably with money or a store card or prepaid debit card from them,just for that purpose.I suspect the Huggies diaper pic was just the same as well.Nobody wants to flat-out 'give' her anything,so this is a better way of calling attention to their products.
what to do? boycott these products,and let the sponsors know about it.they can probably be emailed online.
if the arrangement was with radaronline or tmz,etc.,for her to do it,then they can also flat out deny helping Nadya.
I also suspect the $200 for clothes was an arrangement made with the Dr Phil show,before she appeared on it..just a part of the contract.
what does Nadya really buy? who know,the cameras are probably OFF when she's truly shopping for herself.

 

[RhythmicSun]

I almost totally believe the fights are staged- Angela's worn out appearance is about the only question in regards to her sincerity. Leaving for a couple of days as she has, only furthers our sympathy for her but honestly, why is she such a martyr? Before any of this came to light, she could have taken her plight to CPS or someone- she almost acts as though she is Nadya's slave and if she has taken care of the 6 children almost exclusively, why didn't she speak up then rather than wait till she was slapped with a gag order?

See, I do believe that Nadya and Gramps are fiddling with the paperwork and money trail- Nadya can make some money but Mr. Doud aka Mr. Suleman can make whatever he wants. Where there is a will, there's a way and I personally believe that this group has made a living off of some fraudulent dealings. This is only my opinion- I don't even know these people but I've encountered many who's love of money trumps everything and I don't see the Suleman/Doud family differently. (It could be my tunnel vision- I'd love to be wrong about what I think their intentions are.)

You are probably right about radar- right now they have no reason to kill their cash cow. Time will tell with that association (as it has in all the other broken relationships in the life of Octomom).

I have no doubt that Nadya and her father have set up a trust. But with trusts you have to prove the money is being used for the children. Of course, there are ways around that.

The more I think about this mess the more I see CA and KC all over again, with a different scenario. With a daughter like Nadya, a mother clamps down and the rebellion/chaos begins, with often tragic results.

 

[JMO8778]

I almost totally believe the fights are staged- Angela's worn out appearance is about the only question in regards to her sincerity. Leaving for a couple of days as she has, only furthers our sympathy for her but honestly, why is she such a martyr? Before any of this came to light, she could have taken her plight to CPS or someone- she almost acts as though she is Nadya's slave and if she has taken care of the 6 children almost exclusively, why didn't she speak up then rather than wait till she was slapped with a gag order?

See, I do believe that Nadya and Gramps are fiddling with the paperwork and money trail- Nadya can make some money but Mr. Doud aka Mr. Suleman can make whatever he wants. Where there is a will, there's a way and I personally believe that this group has made a living off of some fraudulent dealings. This is only my opinion- I don't even know these people but I've encountered many who's love of money trumps everything and I don't see the Suleman/Doud family differently. (It could be my tunnel vision- I'd love to be wrong about what I think their intentions are.)

You are probably right about radar- right now they have no reason to kill their cash cow. Time will tell with that association (as it has in all the other broken relationships in the life of Octomom).

there is probably a lot of footage not being shown (obviously,due to time limits),so hopefully that could be subpoenaed IF it ever becomes necessary.no telling what would be on it!! probably the real truth of what goes on in the house.

 

[wildTrose]

jmo8778 are your referring to the huggies picture with the one pack of diapers in her hand?
because she didnt even have a shopping cart that i could see in that pic...with 8 babies needing changed how far does 1 pack of diapers go? she should have had a whole shopping cart full....this woman is something else!!!
Id like to fast forward a few months jsut to see whats going to happen here lol

 

[Boyz_Mum]

Great observations and input on the shopping sprees JMO8778! I never would have thought about that- great product placement plans.

I'm glad that you all have ideas relating to the fraud aspect- I really don't mind being wrong when I speculate. I just can't shake the belief that these people are talented cons. Thanks for bringing reasoning to the table!

I'm still going back and forth about Angela- I don't understand the relationship. I get the impression of Mr. Doud/Suleman being a big bully, and Nadya seems to be cut from the same cloth. Does anyone know if Gramps has a gag order? (Sorry if that's a repetitive question...)

 

[RhythmicSun]

I hope the time constraints of today's airing (part 2) will not prevent that piece of information from coming out. I think he's staying quiet voluntarily, while her mother has a gag order.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

I hope the time constraints of today's airing (part 2) will not prevent that piece of information from coming out. I think he's staying quiet voluntarily, while her mother has a gag order.

As far as the public is concerned I think Gramps is laying low, in part because Nadya could be his cash cow too. Since the house is in his name, he could be charging her pretty high rent (which SSI would take into consideration as part of her 3 disabled children are concerned IIRC). That could be my "tunnel vision" talking again... I apologize.

Was there any depth to the "I used to be a stripper" story? I'm betting a lot of men would pay big cash for a lap dance from an Angelina look-a-like?

The anatomy of this story has got me and I think I get more intrigued by every layer of it!

 

[RhythmicSun]

As far as the public is concerned I think Gramps is laying low, in part because Nadya could be his cash cow too. Since the house is in his name, he could be charging her pretty high rent (which SSI would take into consideration as part of her 3 disabled children are concerned IIRC). That could be my "tunnel vision" talking again... I apologize.

Was there any depth to the "I used to be a stripper" story? I'm betting a lot of men would pay big cash for a lap dance from an Angelina look-a-like?

The anatomy of this story has got me and I think I get more intrigued by every layer of it!

No, I think you're right - she and her father probably set it up that way. Part of what you theorize might be one of the ways they are conning the system. I seriously doubt they'll be allowed to keep the con going though. They may think they have set up an ironclad arrangement but I believe they have a rude awakening coming.

Last night Inside Edition showed the nightclub where she says worked only once. :liar:

 

[Boyz_Mum]

No, I think you're right - she and her father probably set it up that way. Part of what you theorize might be one of the ways they are conning the system. I seriously doubt they'll be allowed to keep the con going though. They may think they have set up an ironclad arrangement but I believe they have a rude awakening coming.

Last night Inside Edition showed the nightclub where she says worked only once. :liar:

As they say, "The devil is in the details" and we may never be privvy to the details. I have a feeling CPS might be less of a threat than the IRS. I'm sure it will all play itself out.

One night on the stage? Given her love of attention and her love of money, it sounds a little strange. Maybe she was booed off the stage?

 

[RainyGirl]

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Great observations and input on the shopping sprees JMO8778! I never would have thought about that- great product placement plans.

I'm glad that you all have ideas relating to the fraud aspect- I really don't mind being wrong when I speculate. I just can't shake the belief that these people are talented cons. Thanks for bringing reasoning to the table!
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I believe we may be witnessing a family of grifters at 'work' here. At first, I was sure it was just Octo-Narcissist manipulating and abusing the lives of her children for money and fame, but now I see how it may possibly be a family endeavor. I certainly believe Mr. Doud/Suleman (g'pa) is up to his neck in questionable/immoral money deals and covering for the Angelina-wannabe (real name: Natalie!).

Has anyone heard if Angela (g'ma) came back? I don't know what to think about her. I still have some sympathy because it looks like she is the only family member that does any of the real parenting work with the older 6 kids. Perhaps it was always the plan that Angela would take care of the older kids until the family "hit their payday" with a multiple birth situation.

Maybe Angela has finally seen her daughter for the lying, narcissistic, immature loser that she really is. Come on, Grandma! Be the hero here and confess all to DCFC and get the information out there in the light of day!
I just wonder.....is Angela secretly drinking the Doud/Suleman Family Kool-Aid, or is she really the beaten-down G'ma who is the only one responsible for caring for the kids? Is this a family of grifters or just a Father-Daughter pair of grifters?

JMO......

Peace,
Rain XOXO
Praying for the children

 

[LCoastMom]

This whole show has gotten past the point of ridiculous. Nadya has 6 kids and 4 new born in her home and she looks like she she is ready for her close up all the time. She is obviously getting plenty of rest, unlike her kids who have no bedtimes and run around at will till 2am.

If her lips get any bigger they will explode. On the latest Radaronline I couldn't take my eyes off her mouth. That just looks nasty.



http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/26/earlyshow/leisure/celebspot/main4894174.shtm

Fired Nurses: Octuplets Mom "AWOL"

"She was only there to feed them and care for them eight hours of the 102 hours that Angels in Waiting was in the house. And she needs to get in there and start feeding her babies and bonding with her babies. And I don't mean just when the cameras are rolling, which is most of the time that she was there feeding them when we were there."


But of course the octo-wreck had good reasons rof not hanging around the nursery, they (AiW) made her feel alienated and uncomfortable in her own home!!

Suleman told Radaronline.com one reason she kicked Angels in Waiting out was that Comforti kept saying Comforti feared that the children would probably be abducted. Suleman told the Web site hearing that over and over made her feel "almost nauseous" because she "harped on it."

"My nurses were concerned. The nannies voiced concern. So, I talked to Nadya on several occasions. I talked to Nadya's dad (and told him) that I am very, very concerned that these infants could be abducted or even worse. Somebody could come in and hurt us all. Where is the security?"


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ilIx-PXnXPpwF1a_nlRYF00fzBIQD975EDC02

He said/She said regarding what the original publicist went through. And she's not done. The 1st ex publicist still has control over $25,0000.00 in donations that have come in and a truck load of goods that will be delivered to Octo-house on Friday.

Killeen still receives packages for Suleman that she opens in her yard wearing a mask and gloves, a precaution recommended by police.

Then came Victor Munoz, who quit March 7 citing personal reasons but also telling a tabloid Suleman was "real greedy" and "nuts."

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/zontv/2009/03/dr_phil_nadya_suleman_octomom.html

Dr. Phil and Octomom: Made for each other in TV hell



The following statement from the show's producers and Dr. Phil is priceless:

When Dr. Phil mediated an agreement between the group Angels in Waiting USA and the mother of octuplets, Nadya Suleman, his intent was to arrange for qualified care in a transparent environment for the children so that they could be released from the hospital to their biological mother. It seemed like the best solution in a difficult situation. Three weeks later, the agreement has been terminated, and both sides in the disagreement will speak out to explain what went wrong, on DR. PHIL, Wednesday, March 25 and Thursday, March 26. (Check your local listings)

“I’m disappointed that the two parties could not find common ground to work together. Now my concern for the 14 children continues to be my singular focus,” said Dr. Phil in the opening of Wednesday’s show.

Dr Phil has asked the media to step away from the Octo-wreck and to stop putting her on TV as he has.

 

[MomofBoys]

jmo8778 are your referring to the huggies picture with the one pack of diapers in her hand?
because she didnt even have a shopping cart that i could see in that pic...with 8 babies needing changed how far does 1 pack of diapers go? she should have had a whole shopping cart full....this woman is something else!!!
Id like to fast forward a few months jsut to see whats going to happen here lol

I have a 22 month old and a six month old, and when my youngest was a newborn a single pack of Pampers would last us about four days. For one baby.

We now buy the value boxes or whatever, but the one pack of Huggies would lead me to believe that it was product-placement, as Huggies and Pampers both have a multiples program that assists parents. Free packs of diapers, etc. Considering she has more than the octos in diapers, the image of her buying the little packs is ridiculous. Huggies or Diapers.com would be delivering those in bulk. Shame on Huggies if they're assisting her more than they'd assist any mom of multiples.

I have no problem boycotting them, lol. Huggies gives my boys rashes. It's the Pampers way or the highway around here.

I just can't see where any corporation would want to get in bed with Nadya. I'm not talking about psuedo-corps like radaronline which thrives on this stuff, but Huggies, Johnson's, Procter and Gamble companies, etc. The public backlash is awful, and I can't see a spot filmed where Nadya pushes an octostroller down the aisle of Walgreen's. What company wants to deal with the phone calls?

If Nadya is ever forced to step outside into the non-Radar-enabled world, she'll see that there's no net underneath her. And I doubt seriously that this Radar thing is going to last forever. The public interest/trainwreck factor will wane and Radar will run out of money for her around the same time. She won't have the benefit of reputable sponsorship and she's going to fall hard. If the babies are still there, they'll fall too. It's terrible. Just terrible.

 

[PattyCake]

It won't last forever. It's in Radar's best interest to keep Nadya in a 'hyper' manic state in order for her to continue her antics. Otherwise this isn't a money making story.

This whole thing has become a sick joke. These children are in danger and none of these stories ever focus on THEIR circumstances. It's all Nadya and it's sickening. She's sickening. :sick:

add link: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009...spot/main4894174.shtml?tag=topHome;topStories

Isn't this enough evidence to show she lacks even the basics of mothering skills? THIS ISN"T A MOTHER - who lets her kids run rampant out of control in the backyard until 1:30 am. :furious: MY CHILDREN are in bed at 9pm and my 12 yr old still groans every night. AND I HOMESCHOOL. Schedule is important yes, but the simple basics of parenting doesn't even exist. She is brain dead. This woman is as useless as a piece of garbage.

At least I could recycle garbage and make it useful again.


""In addition, Linda says that Nadya said that she couldn't afford a security guard, but she said that at the same time she was having an expensive Jacuzzi bathtub installed right next to her master bedroom. So I think that the security for the little babies and her other six children is more important than having a new Jacuzzi put in." ...... ""She was only there to feed them and care for them eight hours of the 102 hours that Angels in Waiting was in the house".

 

[Marthatex]

That's a good article. Children REALLY NEED a routine. They need a steady RELATIONSHIP with their parent/parents, to feel secure.

The children will grow up to be sociopaths, I fear. It's awful.

Unfortunately, millions of other children are born into horrible circumstances; poor, fetal alcohol syndrome, parents who don't care or know how to.

But usually not this many at once!!! Please; take these children and find a better home for them IMO.

 

[rosepetal1065]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQSm19pS8bY

This maybe more than a few days old, but it's worth watching. Judge Judy speaks out on Suleman.

Creeping out of lurking to say I LOVE JUDGE JUDY! You can count on her to tell it like it is, was and will be. Every time. Thanks for posting this I missed it on tv.

Ps. I think octo-creep is out of her effin' mind and something will happen to these kids...if someone doesn't step in.

 

[Penelope]

Hello sleuthers-- I work from home and have Dr. Phil on again today (against my better judgement). It's part 2 of Allread v. Sulemon!

There's so much be discussed on the show, I can only list the highlights:

--Dr. Phil played a tape of a phone call Nadya made yesterday after the show -- she defended herself against the AIW allegations and said she was filing a restraining order against AIW to keep them off her property forever.

--Nadya and her attorney were insisting all nurses and nannies sign a non-disclosure form which went against the AIW transparency contract.

--3 of the nannies Nadya had hired tested positive for TB when they arrived for training and the results from their xrays were not back yet. Nadya (without asking a nurse) supposedly said it was okay for them to be there if they wore masks-- according to AIW none of them wore masks when they were in the nursery.

--Nadya's lawyer said he has met all her nannies and the Kaiser support staff. They are now training the nannies and that this training is part of what Kaiser does for mothers of preemies and is probably being paid foor thru Medi-Cal. Nadya is paying for her nannies through money that she has made.

-- Gloria Allread said that this is proably what Nadya intended -- to have AIW shut out and have the public funded nurses have to do the training and support.

-- Nadya's attorney (Jeff) had asked Gloria for an accounting of all the monies that had been donated to AIW, claiming he and Nadya needed to plan ahead when that $$ dried up. He said Gloria never gave him that accounting and Gloria said it was because he would not agree to a set time for a meeting.

-- Dr. Phil asked Gloria Allread if maybe she was being too strident in this situation and maybe Nadya did feel threateded by her and the AIW nurses.

-- Dr. Phil brought up installing the hot tub-- is it true or false. Jeff the attorney claimed that Nadya had to replace the existing tub because it was leaking and was "updated" the bathtub. This is being paid for by Nadya's own sources -- but that Nothing she does will ever be looked at favorably.

I will post this and then write u p the rest of my notes!! Please excuse any typos.

--

 

[azwriter]

You know what would be wonderful to watch, is to see some of her older children get into all her fancy new make-up and have a field day with it!!!

It sounds like Dr Phil is distancing himself from this trainwreck, I just hope these babies can be saved before something terrible happens.

VB

Dr. Phil may well be distancing himself from Octomom, but he had a hand in helping create this situation. If he hadn't continued to push Nayda on the AiW program, the entire circus of the nurses coming and going so quickly would not have happened. When she ignored the deadline on the offer, it was clear she did not want to participate in the program. But, she was shrewed enough to appear on his show for the exposure to receive freebees and then accepted the AiW offer. So, he should follow through with what he started.
Love your idea Vegas Bride, of the make-up party among all the six kiddies.
What a sight that would be! LOL.