Woman Gives Birth To Octuplets In California

[jnTexas]

Thanks for the input on the accent- not that her accent mattered, but I thought I heard something when she spoke.

Do we know if Nadya was born in the USA? (Again, it doesn't matter, I'm curious...)

If she was not born here she could be deported, and her children adopted out. There is a 50/5 chance she wasn't here. Seeing as you do not have to be born here to attend school (which to me is a bunch of BS).
O/TThey keep saying they have no way of finding all the illegal people in the US. UH....start with the schools. Here in Texas in our school district they have at least 2 classes that are all spanish kids learning english along with regular classes. Totally ticks me as a tax payer off!!

 

[JMO8778]

but she was married to an american at one time,so i think that automatically means she is legal at the time they marry,even if they later divorce.(correct me if I'm wrong,thx).i know my cousin married an illegal from costa rica,and she later left him,taking the kids with her (still within the usa though).appeared to be n/p for her.

 

[JMO8778]

Yeah, really--so she can't even say her insurance paid for her hospital stay and delivery. She KNEW she was scamming.
She said she was trying for one more baby--a girl. And God knows, she's all about having a new infant to play with. So...what if she picks one. A girl, like she was going for. And adopts the rest out. There's probably even some legal way she can get money for the adoptions--a surrrogate fee, or something--to help support the kids she already has.

I think she can do that (as long as it's called a donation,and not a fee)through a private adoption agency..don't quote me on that,though.see,this whole thing can be done privately,and not at taxpayer expense,should she choose to go that route.she can even choose the parents,how often she can see them (I think),things like that.I believe it can be set up in many ways,possibly even inc. grandparent visits,as long as the adoptive parents agree to whatever is in the contract that is draw up and agreed upon (within reason).

 

[txsvicki]

If she was not born here she could be deported, and her children adopted out. There is a 50/5 chance she wasn't here. Seeing as you do not have to be born here to attend school (which to me is a bunch of BS).
O/TThey keep saying they have no way of finding all the illegal people in the US. UH....start with the schools. Here in Texas in our school district they have at least 2 classes that are all spanish kids learning english along with regular classes. Totally ticks me as a tax payer off!!

Oh it ticks me off, too. My grand daughter caught the third world parasite giardia and lice in Kindergarten where there were some kids from Mexico enrolled. I figure they brought it in since the living conditions are so awful there. I had an evil Headstart bus worker tell my caucasian grand daughter that she needs to learn Spanish. I was like, why, just to go to school in the U.S. No one in our family could talk Spanish with her.

 

[LCoastMom]

There is NO way a 2 yr old could be dx with ADD! not unless the doc is a quack that is. and a 2 yr old with a speech problem? how would you know? 2 yr olds are just learning to talk!

there is a learning curve for babies just like for older kids. A 2 yo should know and use X number of words. If adults don't talk to a child on a daily and very regular basis the child is not going to be on par with children his/her age who are talked to and played with.

Of all known "disabilities" this would be the easiest for a parent to cause without inflicting physical injuries.

This is beginning to remind me of the family from New England (Mass maybe?) who badgered and brow beat their daughters doc into medication for ADHD for their toddler after an older child was DX'd, also they were constantly "spilling" it and needing refills way too soon. They were using it to keep her quiet and ended up ODing her and she died. (I think she was 3, maybe 4 by then). They were also collecting disability payments for her.

I know people have made complaints to CPS in CA bout Suliman, I know they have to investigate all complaints. I'm guessing she is going to be losing custody of these babies, including at least some of the babies at home. I'm praying for these babies. It's not their fault their mother is nuts, they shouldn't have to pay for her craziness.

So sad, so very, very sad for those poor little babies. (all 14 of them)

 

[nanny1]

Oh it ticks me off, too. My grand daughter caught the third world parasite giardia and lice in Kindergarten where there were some kids from Mexico enrolled. I figure they brought it in since the living conditions are so awful there. I had an evil Headstart bus worker tell my caucasian grand daughter that she needs to learn Spanish. I was like, why, just to go to school in the U.S. No one in our family could talk Spanish with her.

Yes, I believe the problem is in most states now. Oh,I know here's a really dumb thought how about they learn English instead !! We also wonder why there are more illness'. Maybe because some illegals ( I wish people would realize what illegal means) are not getting thier shots.banghead::banghead::banghead:

Sorry off subject. Starting to rant. What were we talking bout:waitasec:

 

[PattyCake]

Oh it ticks me off, too. My grand daughter caught the third world parasite giardia and lice in Kindergarten where there were some kids from Mexico enrolled. I figure they brought it in since the living conditions are so awful there. I had an evil Headstart bus worker tell my caucasian grand daughter that she needs to learn Spanish. I was like, why, just to go to school in the U.S. No one in our family could talk Spanish with her.

Hi Txsvicki... one thing I'd like to gently dispell is the 'myth' that a 3rd world child brought lice into school. Lice actually like very clean hair and isn't from 'dirty unkempt' people.

And ... I'm a bit protective of our 3rd world neighbours because each year I've taken my family down to Mexico, we live in a small Mexican village called Teacapan and we work with the poorest children down there for at least a month. I still can only pronounce about 30 spanish words but we get by with what we achieve there. We've had lunch on a dirty street with chickens walking around us, would go to their homes (most dirt & stick 1 room dirt floor homes) & never got ill once. And their children were the most well kept clean kids I'd seen. That always amazes me.

My kids have never caught anything or been ill, we still use safety measures when we're there. As we're the ones educated on that and they certainly, sadly are not. We do protect ourselves with vaccinations (TwinRx), etc before we go there as the living / food / health conditions are very sparse or not used at all. I agree, they could have brought in terrible things into the school and those children should not have been allowed into the school system at all without a vaccination record either! That's very unfair to every citizen here, yes I'll agree on that.

The fact that the bus driver said any such thing, goodness! It's as bad as our kids being forced to learn French in Western Canada because we have an entire Eastern province of Quebec that uses the language. Okay then!

One thing I am very against is anyone living in the USA illegally or Canada as well, where I'm from. They should not be able to live illegally & use the school & health care system. Completely wrong.

Anyway now that I'm wayyyyy off topic, take my post for what it is, with good intentions. :blowkiss:

 

[JBean]

I got giardia from my son when he was about 15 months old. the doctor said he could have picked it up anywhere, most likely put something in his mouth, like bird poop.
It is contagious and ran around our family and community. Has nothing to do with with our country of origin and certainly does not discriminate based on ethnicity.
I was pregnant at the time and so could not take the treatment.
Oy what a stinkin' mess that was.

We also had to deal with head lice. Gosh I am glad my kids are all grown up. Movie theaters, pillows sleepovers,once it is on the loose it's out there.

 

[JMO8778]

my dd had lice in grade school as well,and it was not from illegals as there were no foreigners in her class.we washed her hair every night,and she got them anyway.I understand they actually like clean hair better.she just caught them from a classmate,as there were a couple others that had them as well.

Pattycake,that is an awesome thing that you do!! my kids have gone on mission trips w church,worked in the local soup kitchen and the local children's home.it's good for them and I wish more kids could do it.I think kids who get hooked on drugs are the ones who can't see outside themselves,to the rest of the world.(or like w ms suleman,acquire an addiction,in which hers is having babies).
most ppl don't know that a teen can work in soup kitchens;I know our only restriction here is they need to be 13 and have an adult to supervise.
anyway,back to topic.

 

[LCoastMom]

Oh it ticks me off, too. My grand daughter caught the third world parasite giardia and lice in Kindergarten where there were some kids from Mexico enrolled. I figure they brought it in since the living conditions are so awful there. I had an evil Headstart bus worker tell my caucasian grand daughter that she needs to learn Spanish. I was like, why, just to go to school in the U.S. No one in our family could talk Spanish with her.

When my daughter was 9 she developed head lice. After being shampoo'd and combed at nite, then checked in the AM to make sure she was going back to school "clean", every nite for a week she had adult lice on her head when she got home.

The school nurse said it must have been coming from my house because I wasn't cleaning it correctly, but oddly none of the other 4 of us ever found a single beasty. Even though we had all used the same hair brush as my daughter before finding the beasties and my daughters shared a bedroom with bunk beds. I washed all bedding everyday, I vacuumed the whole house everyday. Anything that couldn't be washed got sprayed with pesticide. Everything else got bagged and fumigated. Luckily, her snuggly could go in the washing machine and dryer!

Everyday for a week straight I did this. On the plus side my house had never been so clean!! I was a single mom who worked 50+ hours per week. My eyes were so strained from using the lice comb on her everyday for hours, 3 blood vessels burst in my eyes. She had medium length, very thick hair, lots and lots of hair. She also has a very tender scalp, I felt so bad for her, but she never complained.

I fought with the school (teacher/principal), I battled with the school nurse, I went to the Superintendent. I even called County Health, the school was acting within their rights. After going through this everyday for days on end, they wouldn't send send a note home (this was all I asked) with/for the other children until they had 3 complaints, my 6 only count as 1. I told them my daughter wouldn't be back until they found the cause, in the end my dd missed 4 straight days of school. When she got back, the boy she sat next to had a brand new shiny skin head!!! This was the child I asked the nurse to check/send a note home with 1st. My daughter said he "had little drops of dried white glue all over his head"!!!! (He was a very clean and well kept little Hispanic boy, my guess is the parents just didn't know there was a problem.

I got an education that week, before that I thought the schools and parents were a team, working for the children's best interest. What my daughter went through was certainly not in her best interest, nor was it in the best interest of her classmates. I never did find out why they didn't want to send home that note, which by the way they did finally send it home on one of the days I kept my daughter home. But I never again assumed we were all on the same page when it came to the well being of the children.

Vicki, just so you know, head lice are an epidemic in public schools. They turn up in the nicest of mansions and poorest of hovels. The problem is uneducated people accept them as a way of life. It's not that they are necessarily dirty, they just don't understand what has to be done to get rid of them, I'm not sure if they understand that they can get rid of them.

 

[Gracenote]

Thank you! I love your avatar!


I love your rants! :blowkiss:

I've got one for today, too. It's about these cries of death threats. :crazy:

When the publicist was asked for examples, all she came up with -- that I heard -- were things like, "Someone should [remove] your uterus," "You don't deserve to live," and other things like that. (Did any of you hear worse?)

Granted, they are despicable things to say, but "death threats"? I've seen death threats sent to a relative of mine for decades (he holds a public position) and they are much more direct: "I know where you live, and will be waiting." "Make out your will."

Even so, I still might believe the publicist, if it weren't for the fact that they only found it necessary for her to go into hiding for like 48 hours, then felt safe to go right back to her mother's? Puleeeze. :floorlaugh:

Add to that: the police didn't say they were even going to look into the claims until after she was back home. From my experience, had they looked like real threats to her safety, the police would have been shown them from the start, already been investigating, and had a part in protecting her. At the least, they would have said, "Yes, there have been threats on her."

Even with all the above, it wouldn't irritate me so much, if only I weren't reading about these death threats in every article about her now. It just all feels like a stunt to gain sympathy and make her detractors look irrational, and the media buys right into it. Bah.

:rant:

OK, I feel better now. :cheerful:

All I see on the news blogs is one or two "she's crazy" letters then it always degenerates into a Bush or Obama bashing flame war. (Don't you love the first ammendment I have not seen any hint of physical harm to her or the children. I think she may have problems with the truth at times.

 

[Gracenote]

Oh Trino... I've been ranting and trying to figure out if Grandma and Nadya are in on this whole "money making gig" from the get go... (The only person I didn't complain too much about was the doctor or the sperm donor- I think they should both step up to the plate and accept some responsibility too.)

The "nice" interview with Grandma, Grandma states she's going to be there to help with the kids and she'll get them a bigger house if she has to. (And in the interview I was trying to figure out if Grandma was there because she wanted to be or if her "new attitude" had something to do with a paycheck and gaining public sympathy.) This is beside the point but did Grandma have an English accent?

Anyway... all I have left in me is to hope for the best (and a few snarky comments now and then).

Oh, don't stop now! Who will entertain me and make me laugh as I wade through the last agonizing dregs of this semester of school?

Let's see if I can get you wound up again. Did you know that she didn't give her parents a penny of her disability money, and they lost their house. And her mother had to borrow money from a friend of hers just to survive? Can you imagine? Isn't she selfish? :eat::rant:opcorn:

 

[PattyCake]

Oh, don't stop now! Who will entertain me and make me laugh as I wade through the last agonizing dregs of this semester of school?

Let's see if I can get you wound up again. Did you know that she didn't give her parents a penny of her disability money, and they lost their house. And her mother had to borrow money from a friend of hers just to survive? Can you imagine? Isn't she selfish? :eat::rant:opcorn:

I was a groupie too for BoyzMum, maybe she doesn't know she has a following. :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

Lets go BoyzMum, lets go. (I'm a rat, I know).

 

[LCoastMom]

If she was not born here she could be deported, and her children adopted out. There is a 50/5 chance she wasn't here. Seeing as you do not have to be born here to attend school (which to me is a bunch of BS).
O/TThey keep saying they have no way of finding all the illegal people in the US. UH....start with the schools. Here in Texas in our school district they have at least 2 classes that are all spanish kids learning english along with regular classes. Totally ticks me as a tax payer off!!

Way back a gazilian years ago, my dad, a Navy Man born and raised in New England (right out side Boston) was instrumental in developing the first bilingual program in the elementary school (starting in kindergarten) that his children went to in Southern Calif. The idea was based on the fact that children would learn faster if they were side by side with English speaking children, as a bonus the English speakers learned Spanish as a second language, at no additional charge!

This program was so successful it was a model used by schools all over the state. The school district itself was one of the poorest in the state, but the bilingual program brought extra tax revenue which is good for all students. It caught on, now most schools have adopted a bilingual program because it works. It takes children in kindergarten and by the end of 2nd grade they are fully integrated, English speaking students working at grade level. In turn they are able to go on to get a higher education, better paying jobs and break the binds of poverty they and their parents were born into. These classes are so popular, only 1 out of 3 of my dad's grandchildren ever got to participate (English speakers are drawn by a lottery like system).

By the way, my dad enlisted in the Navy when he was 16, during WWII. He only had a 9th grade education and always felt inferior to "educated" people.

 

[LCoastMom]

Too bad that instead of having her lips and nose pumped up she didn't have a huge dose of common sense inplanted !!:bang::bang::bang:

Unfortunately Medi-Cal doesn't cover this. In California you've got the halves and halves not. If you have half a brain and a little common sense you can go far. For everyone else there is welfare. Nuff said...........

 

[PattyCake]

Way back a gazilian years ago, my dad, a Navy Man born and raised in New England (right out side Boston) was instrumental in developing the first bilingual program in the elementary school (starting in kindergarten) that his children went to in Southern Calif. The idea was based on the fact that children would learn faster if they were side by side with English speaking children, as a bonus the English speakers learned Spanish as a second language, at no additional charge!

This program was so successful it was a model used by schools all over the state. The school district itself was one of the poorest in the state, but the bilingual program brought extra tax revenue which is good for all students. It caught on, now most schools have adopted a bilingual program because it works. It takes children in kindergarten and by the end of 2nd grade they are fully integrated, English speaking students working at grade level. In turn they are able to go on to get a higher education, better paying jobs and break the binds of poverty they and their parents were born into. These classes are so popular, only 1 out of 3 of my dad's grandchildren ever got to participate (English speakers are drawn by a lottery like system).

By the way, my dad enlisted in the Navy when he was 16, during WWII. He only had a 9th grade education and always felt inferior to "educated" people.

aaaah! you're dad sounds amazing and truly has 0 reason to feel inferior ever. My uncle who as well, has grade 9 education is now a self made multi millionaire and (my guess, although it's probably higher) gives away about 50% of his net income each year to educational systems.

Cheers to your dad, he's a special hero.:woohoo:

WELLLLLLL BACK TO "discussing" OctoMOM.
Sounds like the next Hollywood Summer Movie, doesn't it?

 

[LCoastMom]

Octuplets mum Nadya Suleman: My amazing story

Nadya reveals: “Ed, my dad, is Middle Eastern. He wanted four or five kids.

“But my mom didn't want any because of her tough childhood.

Nadya’s Lithuanian mother Angela also helps out, although she has described as “unconscionable” her daughter’s decision to have so many children.

Nadya has ignored the criticism and insists: “It’s Mom’s home but I don’t live with her.”

Miriam Stoppard: Octuplets mum has no ideea what a family of 14 means

Nadya Suleman, I’m afraid, is living in fantasy land.

She’s had a lifelong desire to play happy families and now she is – but with real children, to their cost.

“Elijah is seven, my daughter Amerah is six, Joshua Jacob – JJ – is five. Aidan, who is autistic, is three-and-a-half.” Elijah has attention deficit disorder while Calyssa has speech problems.“The twins are two years old,” she says. “They don’t get along and are nothing alike. Caleb, the boy, has golden hair and blue eyes. Calyssa has dark hair and eyes.

It’s clear she simply isn’t in touch with the day-to-day care her 14 children will need.

She was obsessed with having many children and a large family.

I don’t think she has the slightest idea of what looking after 14 children will mean.

This has led to her excluding the father – or fathers – of her children because despite the huge challenges she’s chosen to be a single mother.

There is little help either from David Solomon, the sperm donor who it has emerged fathered all 14 of her children.

Nadya says: “He’s a person that I’ve known for 15 years. We talk once a year.

In a whisper, she adds: “They have their grandad but I admit children need a father.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-st...n-my-amazing-story-exclusive-115875-21121678/


Calling CPS, Calling CPS. I want to report a disaster in the making and an eminent emergency. If she has no clue, (which is painfully obvious) whether she has enough physical help or not is beside the point. 50 or 60 volunteers are not going to be the ones making the life decisions for these kids and she is not capable. This is pointed out in the fact she chose to have 6 babies emplanted into her single, made for one, uterus while she had no job, no means to support the 6 kids she already had and a plan to return to college when her new babies are just a few months old. She planned it this way.

What would have been wrong with completing school and then making that last, single baby girl she was hoping for? Except as she said she's due to run out of benefits at the same time she plans on graduating,. Oops my bad, I guess that shows she really did know what she was doing all along.

 

[LCoastMom]

aaaah! you're dad sounds amazing and truly has 0 reason to feel inferior ever. My uncle who as well, has grade 9 education is now a self made multi millionaire and (my guess, although it's probably higher) gives away about 50% of his net income each year to educational systems.

Cheers to your dad, he's a special hero.:woohoo:

WELLLLLLL BACK TO "discussing" OctoMOM.
Sounds like the next Hollywood Summer Movie, doesn't it?

Thank you, my mom was in medical school when they met. She left school and got her RN instead. Then married my dad and stayed home to take care of their babies. She always told me he was the smartest man she'd ever known.

Cheers right back to your uncle! I've always felt I've learned so much more by experiencing life, then I ever did in a classroom. Except maybe my Anatomy and Physiology class. To learn how to dissect a human body anyplace else would just be wrong on so many levels. :crazy:

Back on topic, something tells me the Nadya Story will be coming to a Lifetime Movie channel near you and me before those babies celebrate their first Birthday. Unless CPS steps in and removes them from her custody before then, which I feel is a huge possibility. If that happens we probably won't get the movie until after the first time she completes a competency trial/custody battle with the state.

 

[Elphaba]

It's a curious situation- I know all the children are citizens since they were born here- is that correct? Could Nadya move the family to a different country and still receive SSI benefits for the children? (Dumb question, I know...)

If Nadya tried to take her kids to a different country, after a month she would lose SSI payments... so rest assured, if she moved to a different country, her bilking the tax payers out of money would end after that first month abroad:

http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/11015.html


Leaving the United States
If someone leaves the 50 states, the District of Columbia or the Northern Mariana Islands for an entire calendar month, no payment can be made for that month. For SSI, Puerto Rico is considered to be outside the United States and people who move to Puerto Rico cannot get SSI.

Also, once a person has been outside the country for 30 or more days in a row, payments cannot start again until the person has been back in the United States, the District of Columbia or the Northern Mariana Islands for 30 days in a row. If a person is out of the country for less than a month, there is no change in the SSI payment.

 

[justthinkin]

http://www.whittierdailynews.com/news/ci_11725129

Radio psychiatrist says Nadya is a narcissist, and files a complaint.