Woman Gives Birth To Octuplets In California

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  • #841
NBC is standing firm that they did not pay her anything. Highest levels are saying no no no.

I find it difficult to believe that she would have given them the time of day if some money - oh I mean worthless paper - hadn't crossed her palm.

Hah, she gives herself to them. Well, I doubt it, and even if she does, that doesn't feed them or take care of their medical needs.
 
  • #842
I think that the interview with Nadya's mother, Angela, is very telling. I watched that interview and was appalled when I heard Angela Suleman say "I did hear that she received money from her insurance. She never told me. But I've never seen any money, not for house payments or for feeding the kids."

This is just so disturbing. Nadya left the childcare of her six children to her mother and did not even give her money to help. I can't even imagine how a woman who has been unwilling to support the six children she already had could even think about having more children...and to spend her money on cosmetic surgery!

IMO, Nadya Suleman is not capable of raising these children and her grandparents shouldn't be expected to either. I do feel for the grandmother who I can only imagine is at her wit's end and I'm sure she loves her grandchildren. CPS needs to step in and see that these newborns are adopted out to good homes. This is a truly horrific situation.

THIS POOR GRANDMOTHER....I have nothing but respect for her. To expect someone who chose as a young mother to only have one child because she felt that was the best thing for her family to now have to use her retirement days to raise FOURTEEN children is beyond cruel. The fact that all of her own retirement money (which from a job as a teacher may not be a large amount) has to be used to pay for these children's food while her daughter wastes huge amounts of money on manicures, fertility treatments and plastic surgery for herself is criminal. My husband and I have a much more than adequate income and I was 49 years old before I got my first manicure with a full set of nails!!!!!!! Before that, the money I could have used for something so unnecessary was ALWAYS used to provide things for my children instead.
 
  • #843
Nadya seems to be so intent on her need to be compared to the Duggar, Goesslin, and McCaughey (spelled wrong, I'm sure) families. One of the main reasons these families are seen as so interesting to TV audiences is because of the very obvious fact that they care so deeply for their children, emphasize that their kids learn personal responsibility, feed and clothe them as economically as possible and THEY ALL HAVE THEIR OWN JOBS AND INCOME! How can anyone be so out of touch with reality that they believe in this time of economic crisis that the general public will be overcome with happiness and joy at the thought of giving money that they themselves desperately need to such an irresponsible person?
 
  • #844
You know, they (proverbial "they") have tossed around the idea that there needs to be tigher regulations on infertility treatments. I totally disagree with letting this have a domino affect where it makes things harder on couples truly struggling with infertility. Although, individual clinics may need to be more closely monitored, such as this whack job Beverly Hills doctor.

What I DO think needs to be regulated (assuming there is no such stipulation already), is to have a sperm donor - particularly one that is apparently a "personal friend" known to the woman - write up some type of agreement or statement making it clear how many cycles or whatever they are allowing their sperm donations to be used. I don't know whether it would have worked in this case, but it seems like maybe things would not have gone this far if Nadya's sperm donor/buddy had been able to officially say "stop"?! Does anyone know if there's any such documents available for a sperm donor to sign to prevent things from getting to this point?


There was a case in the UK not that long ago, where a couple, and I can't recall if married or not, had done IVF - actually I think they harvested eggs, donated sperm and had them all in a lab, for some reason she didn't want implantation at time of doing the above, and then they split. I can't recall if he took her to court to stop her, or if the lab wouldn't then do the implantation without her consent, it ended up in court, he wanted the embryos destroyed, she wanted to use them - she had cancer maybe and could no longer produce the eggs so this was her only chance at motherhood - and the court ruled in his favor.

Doesn't apply in US but interesting.
 
  • #845
So now she is asking for donations via her website.

As one of my friends said, begging is not an appropriate way of providing for your family.

I like the way your friend expesses their thoughts hoppyfrog.

I want to revise what I said yesterday when I said it made me unsettled to see the pictures of the children on a website and a click to donate button placed in the middle of the pictures.

I found the word I was looking for last night, well actually my DH found it for me....exploitative.

Exploiting the children and exploiting the sympathies of those of us who care deeply for all children.
 
  • #846
Are they really hiding from death threats, or are they hiding from the likes of CPS and the authority... or is it a combination of both.

I think hiding fro CPS and authorities - it really does look like there could be charges. Maybe she wants to ensure a big ugly scene if arrested with the kids present.
 
  • #847
THIS POOR GRANDMOTHER....I have nothing but respect for her. To expect someone who chose as a young mother to only have one child because she felt that was the best thing for her family to now have to use her retirement days to raise FOURTEEN children is beyond cruel. The fact that all of her own retirement money (which from a job as a teacher may not be a large amount) has to be used to pay for these children's food while her daughter wastes huge amounts of money on manicures, fertility treatments and plastic surgery for herself is criminal. My husband and I have a much more than adequate income and I was 49 years old before I got my first manicure with a full set of nails!!!!!!! Before that, the money I could have used for something so unnecessary was ALWAYS used to provide things for my children instead.


I agree. I wonder what happened to the food stamp money if grandma wasn't getting it, or help from Octomom?
 
  • #848
I wouldnt mind donating a little if it was going into a trust for the care of all 14 children and it was distributed by an outside mediator that is not associated by the family at all. This person would make sure all monies would go to the care of the children even if they themselves had to go buy the diapers!
I think thats the only way these children would benefit for donations.

At this point in time, I think the only wise way to donate would be to thoroughly check out this church first, then if all seems legit there, to contact them and find out if they have a way to make sure the money is used only for the children, THEN if they have a specified fund and a responsible person to oversee that fund, MAYBE I would consider helping.
 
  • #849
I like the way your friend expesses their thoughts hoppyfrog.

I want to revise what I said yesterday when I said it made me unsettled to see the pictures of the children on a website and a click to donate button placed in the middle of the pictures.

I found the word I was looking for last night, well actually my DH found it for me....exploitative.

Exploiting the children and exploiting the sympathies of those of us who care deeply for all children.

Yes, that's a good word for it.

It reminds me of something Dr. Phil once said about how no child should be brought into this world having a job.

Seems to me that is exactly what is going on here: it's the job of these 14 kids to make the mom feel better, to make up for her perceived deficiencies in her own childhood.

No child should have to bear that.
 
  • #850
This is from a comment left on the Whittier Daily News site :

"To top it off, under California law gifts, are not taxable income. So she doesn't have to either report or account for anything given to her as a gift.

"No tax on the person receiving your gift. The person who receives your gift or estate will not have to pay any gift tax or estate tax because of it. Also, that person will not have to pay income tax on the value of the gift or inheritance received."

(source: http://www.taxes.ca.gov/Income_Tax/specialind... )"
 
  • #851
Yes, that's a good word for it.

It reminds me of something Dr. Phil once said about how no child should be brought into this world having a job.

Seems to me that is exactly what is going on here: it's the job of these 14 kids to make the mom feel better, to make up for her perceived deficiencies in her own childhood.

No child should have to bear that.

Not to mention the job of making money - unimportant paper! - for mom.
 
  • #852
This is from a comment left on the Whittier Daily News site :

"To top it off, under California law gifts, are not taxable income. So she doesn't have to either report or account for anything given to her as a gift.

"No tax on the person receiving your gift. The person who receives your gift or estate will not have to pay any gift tax or estate tax because of it. Also, that person will not have to pay income tax on the value of the gift or inheritance received."

(source: http://www.taxes.ca.gov/Income_Tax/specialind... )"

SSI should be asking about gifts- IIRC, they used to want to know about gifts of cash AND/OR the cash value of any gifts recieved. I wonder if the "gifts" of a house and other things will impact the way her 3 "disabled" children's SSI cases are handled. These things are considered as part of a person's income. (I'd bet she has it all covered up though- Nadya for sure has someone in place to be the recipient so she doesn't interupt the flow of her "non welfare" subsidies.)
 
  • #853
I am on my crackberry with no glasses so I can't really see posts. Our news is reporting that she is trying to get non profit status so your donations will be tax deductible LOL.
 
  • #854
I am on my crackberry with no glasses so I can't really see posts. Our news is reporting that she is trying to get non profit status so your donations will be tax deductible LOL.

This just gets more insane everyday....
 
  • #855
SSI should be asking about gifts- IIRC, they used to want to know about gifts of cash AND/OR the cash value of any gifts recieved. I wonder if the "gifts" of a house and other things will impact the way her 3 "disabled" children's SSI cases are handled. These things are considered as part of a person's income. (I'd bet she has it all covered up though- Nadya for sure has someone in place to be the recipient so she doesn't interupt the flow of her "non welfare" subsidies.)

OMG you are correct. A friend of mine's brother was getting something, SSI or disability, I can't recall, and being an uber honest sort, he was paranoid about gifts, cause he was supposed to report them and they would affect his payments.

And another thought, about having someone set up to get the money, I think the feds take a dim view of this. Transferring assets before getting federal money is illegal. Or getting federal benefits in the form of bankruptcy protection.

I think the Octomom may have opened a big mess for herself when this all shakes out. If she got a free gift of IV treatment as some have hinted, that could be used against her as I am more and more sure SSI is income based, even if the child or person is disabled. And the lying about father on BC might be one.

I read something this morning Jbean that I am not clear on. Is the State of California holding people's state tax refunds due to state money problems? Wow if that is true. The state really needs to go after any penny Octomom makes to recoup costs.
 
  • #856
If the state of CA is being asked to pay the medical costs for the new babies, has anyone looked into who paid for the medical expenses for the first six children, since she wasn't employed I am assuming she had no health insurance for those?
 
  • #857
Let's face it this woman is destitute:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/destitute

Adjective
destitute
  1. Lacking something; devoid; especially lacking money; poor, impoverished, poverty-stricken
Maybe I shouldn't be so teed off but I am!! When I look at her face on that website seemingly looking and smiling at the DONATE button I get mad to my stomach.

A century ago this woman would have had her and her children placed in a workhouse - well, in England maybe - not sure about here.

Gosh, I can feel more than one rant coming on!!!:mad:
 
  • #858
And while I've got my soapbox out I'll soldier on.

http://www.whittierdailynews.com/ci_11682708?source=rss_viewed



DIAMOND BAR - The Whittier mother of octuplets who for weeks has had an army of media tracking her every move might soon have some reinforcements of her own.
Baby sitters, that is.
The women's ministry at Calvary Chapel in Diamond Bar will be rounding up volunteers to help Nadya Suleman, 33, care for the newborns when the octuplets are released from the hospital, church pastor Rex Wolins said Wednesday. The volunteers also will help with Suleman's six other children.
The news comes days after reports emerged that Suleman had attended Calvary Chapel in the past.
"She is going through a great difficult time in her life, filled with a lot of anxiety, fear and a lot of stress," Wolins said. "All the ladies in the women's ministry here are just trying to fill a human need." Suleman's octuplets were born Jan. 26 at Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center by in-vitro fertilization. The babies arrived nine weeks before their due date, but they are in good health and are expected to be released from the hospital in seven to 12 weeks, officials said.

12 weeks heh?

Please follow link for the rest of the story as it goes onto say that her publicist thinks they went there frequently but the spokesman has never seen them.

She's good, very good at what she does.....
 
  • #859
If the state of CA is being asked to pay the medical costs for the new babies, has anyone looked into who paid for the medical expenses for the first six children, since she wasn't employed I am assuming she had no health insurance for those?

Maybe she's running a tab?

Seriously I hope someone's onto this.
 
  • #860
I feel a rant coming on, my apologies in advance. I should never have watched this again. But it's like a train wreck, I could not help but look back. Infuriating. I did leave a comment asking how the donations will be handled, who receives and how monies are disbursed. I do not really expect a response. I would not ever want to see Ms. Suleman near a dime donated for the care of those poor children. She brought 14 children into the world with no solid resources because she "longed for a connection" and lacked "a feeling of self, identity"? Because her mom didn't "openly express" her love, or give her siblings? This is what THERAPY is for. She says she is "responsible". She then says she plans to go back to school. Who pays those loans? Who supports these children then? Who provides the childcare while she sits in class? (Please grandmommy, just say NO!) How is this responsible? Who supported her when she says she was "saving her money for IVF"? Who has been caring for her first six children? My sister and her husband struggled through 2 high risk pregnancies, she continued to work on bedrest with an infusion knowing they had to put food on the table. They did not try for 3 because they know they cannot support another. I had one mis, one premie, sometimes using a credit card at the Clover store for milk between paychecks. I did not try for more because I knew I could not provide enough support. I still worry every night how I can continue to help my son through college, while knowing I can be downsized tomorrow, and this idjit lives her dream on everybody else's time and dime. It just never even occured to us to leech because of a dysfunctional childhood. Yikes! End rant. I have a compelling urge to leave this on her comments section. Perhaps titled clue by four. Again, my apologies. Now back to lurking in the basement.

Look around you snackcakes and you will see the majority of the people posting here also feel the same about this mother and her situation.
No need to apologize. I took your post to heart that so many people, including yourself and your sister, can't help but personally feel cheated because of what this woman did. Those wonderful children are going to pay for her stupidy.
jmo
 
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