Women sue Wal-Mart over contraception

[IrishMist]

Needless to say I agree with you, CyberLaw. I also respect those that would not take this medication because of their personal beliefs and/or religion. However, I strongly feel that this medication should be made available to those that do not subscribe to those beliefs and/or religions.

 

[CyberLaw]

Well put, if a person does not want to take a med, that is their choice. Choice being the key word here..........

But if a person has an RX, has a legal right, and wants to take a med, then of course it is not the "right" or "legal choice" of someone else to decide if she gets that med or not.

Their job is to give the med and to fill the RX. That is all their job is. Period.

The "prima facie" case is very evident when she brings in the RX to be filled that she has a "want and desire" to take this med.

This is a legal medicine, a legal prescription, a legal and medically sound application and I have discussed this in private with my doctor which of course is "confidential". It is up to me to take it or not, my choice. No one decides for me.

No one is going to "second guess" me or my doctor in then deciding if I should receive the med or not. it has already been decided that I am receiving the med, my doctor wrote me an RX, this RX is in my name.

No Pharmacist, who is not my Doctor, nor me can then decide to "trump" not only my Doctor, buy myself. Talk about feeling like a Pharmacist is playing God.

Those "views" and "beliefs" of some people are not shared by me and do not trump my health, legal right or automony of the person tor choose to do whatever I want to do with my body.

My body, again my choice. No one else gets to choose or threaten "my integrity and automony over my own person and being." No one gets to control my life without my permission and consent. Especially "John Doe" Pharmacist, how does John Doe, Pharmacist feel that he has "authority" over me when he is some guy behind the counter filling RX's for a living. He has ZERO authority over me, even though he feels he should have and /or has the moral and religous right of authority over me and my person.

That would be a misconception on the part of the "John Doe", Pharmacist.

A sad case: a 14 year old girl was "slipped a drug" and raped at a party. She did not know it, but she became pregnant. She found out she was pregnant and told her "extremely religious" parents. She explained the circumstances. Her parents felt that "all children are conceived for a reason" and that this baby should not suffer because she was 14 and raped and that she has to have this baby or incur the wrath of god, etc.

She did not want the baby, especially at 14 and a victim of a rape.

What do you think happened..........where the parents acting in the best interests of their daughter or were they acting in their religious and moral beliefs over the health and welfare of their daughter, both her physical and emotional health. After all she was durgged and raped...........

 

[Glow]

Great post Camper. Your ahem "longevity" has graced you with a lot of balance.



I am all for womens rights but the thing I dont get is this. Doesn't Walmart have rights also as to what they will and will not carry in their store?

If this was a tiny Mom and Pop general store that contained a pharmacy should Mom and Pop be forced to stock the morning after pill? :twocents:

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

The suit will decide whether or not it is actually state law.
Let's go ahead and tie up the courts with bull***t. Personally if I can't find what I'm looking for I go somewhere else.

What if the pharmacist decides you're really a junkie and don't "need" the pain medication you have a legal script for? It's none of his damn business, and certainly not the company he's renting space from.

 

[vanillasky]

A Target pharmacist was recently fired for refusing to dispense the medication, and also for refusing to refer patients to a pharmacy that would dispense it.

It will be interesting to see the outcome of the case the pharmacist has filed.



Excerpt:

Target pharmacist is fired over Plan B controversy

Pharmacist Heather Williams believes there’s no middle ground when it comes to the so-called “morning-after” pill known as Plan B.

Williams opposes use of that pill, or any other emergency contraception taken after unprotected sex, because they can prevent a fertilized human egg from implanting in the uterus. “For me, life begins with two cells,” Williams said Thursday.

As a part-time pharmacist at a Target store in St. Charles, Williams had refused to fill such prescriptions without incident for the past five years. But she also declined to refer physicians or patients to others who would fill such prescriptions.

“I just can’t be a link in the chain at all,” she said.

FULL STORY: http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...F66D4B9D4D4E342E8625710300039083?OpenDocument

 

[CyberLaw]

By the way, the 14 year old "child" who was a victim of a rape "discussed" if she wanted the baby or not with her Doctor. She felt her parents were not acting in her best interest. She did not share her parents relilgious views. Her Doctor abided by his patient wishes. The Doctor was looking out for the "best interest" of his patient, because the parents sure as heck were not. He could dispense medication to "help along" a miscarriage.

I am all for someone "standing" up for what they believe in, but when they mess with my life, my body, my integrity over my person, my choice because of what they believe or do not believe, then they have now imposed their religious and moral views upon me.

I don't think so.

By the way, in Canada Plan B is available no questions asked from any pharmacy without an RX. The reason for this: There is a specific time frame that this med had to be taken. If you don't take it within this time frame, it is ineffective. The barrier was that women could not always get a doctors appt. and an RX in time. That barrier was "torn down" as to not prevent women from accessing the med in the narrow time frame.

There was even a "small problem" because Pharmacist were not "advising "women about this med and its side effects in a private location." Now all Pharmacist cannot ask any envasive question, can only record the "necessary" information and nothing else, cannot ask about the circumstances of requiring this med. There has to be a private location to inform the women about this med, as to protect their privacy.

After all they are only doing their jobs.......which they were hired for. Which is to dispense medication when presented with an RX, they don't get to pick and choose what med they fill, they are required to fill all legal prescriptions.

 

[Sally]

What if the pharmacist decides you're really a junkie and don't "need" the pain medication you have a legal script for? It's none of his damn business, and certainly not the company he's renting space from.

That's obviously a completely different scenario. These pharamacists didn't make a judgement call; the company doesn't stock the medication. It's curious to me why only Wal-Mart was targeted. Did this group canvass the state to learn who was stocking the drug and who wasn't?

 

[Glow]

Good question Sally

 

[Lesleegp]

That's obviously a completely different scenario. These pharamacists didn't make a judgement call; the company doesn't stock the medication. It's curious to me why only Wal-Mart was targeted. Did this group canvass the state to learn who was stocking the drug and who wasn't?

Wal-Mart was targeted because they have the biggest $$$ bullseye on the backsides.

 

[Glow]

Exactly

 

[2sisters]

To me the law and government shouldn't be able to dictate what you stock and what you don't stock in your pharmacy, store, what ever. Wal mart doesn't sell music with cursing in it. Blockbuster Video chooses not to have an adult video section and thats their perogative and they do it b/c they want a family atmosphere and that is a moral choice. They would probably make more money if thay had one but they still choose not to.
Wal mart isn't the only game in town to get it go to target walgreens, cvs, riteaid, your grocery store pharmacy to name a few and get it. Or (I'm not covering cases of rape here ,that is a completley different scenario) use a condom when you are having sex so you don't get pregnant or catch HIV or the many other diseases you get from unprotected sex. I wish people would get it thorough their heads how dangerous unprotected sex is. It isn't just a moral concern with this pill it is also a safety concern. STDs are more common that you think.

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

That's obviously a completely different scenario. These pharamacists didn't make a judgement call; the company doesn't stock the medication. It's curious to me why only Wal-Mart was targeted. Did this group canvass the state to learn who was stocking the drug and who wasn't?

How is the pain med scenario different from the birth control scenario? They both involve someone (NOT your doctor) deciding that YOU do not require legally prescribed drugs and refusing to fill a legal prescription, despite having no legal power or right to do so, simply by making a moral judgement about someone else's life/lifestyle that does not otherwise involve them. It's no different a mindset than choosing to riot in the streets because someone drew a picture of Mohammed.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

How is the pain med scenario different from the birth control scenario? They both involve someone (NOT your doctor) deciding that YOU do not require legally prescribed drugs and refusing to fill a legal prescription, despite having no legal power or right to do so, simply by making a moral judgement about someone else's life/lifestyle that does not otherwise involve them. It's no different a mindset than choosing to riot in the streets because someone drew a picture of Mohammed.

I guess they figure pain meds aren't going to abort a fetus necessarily? Don't get me wrong, I think Wal-Mart is wrong here, I just don't think this is a good comparison.

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

To me the law and government shouldn't be able to dictate what you stock and what you don't stock in your pharmacy, store, what ever. Wal mart doesn't sell music with cursing in it. Blockbuster Video chooses not to have an adult video section and thats their perogative and they do it b/c they want a family atmosphere and that is a moral choice. They would probably make more money if thay had one but they still choose not to.
Wal mart isn't the only game in town to get it go to target walgreens, cvs, riteaid, your grocery store pharmacy to name a few and get it. Or (I'm not covering cases of rape here ,that is a completley different scenario) use a condom when you are having sex so you don't get pregnant or catch HIV or the many other diseases you get from unprotected sex. I wish people would get it thorough their heads how dangerous unprotected sex is. It isn't just a moral concern with this pill it is also a safety concern. STDs are more common that you think.

Oddly enough, music and playboy doesn;t have a thing to do with someone's physical health.

And for a lot of rural people living in communities where Wal-mart has effectively destroyed every competitor (like my home twon of 3000 people) it IS the only game in town.

Not everyone lives in suburbia.

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

I guess they figure pain meds aren't going to abort a fetus necessarily? Don't get me wrong, I think Wal-Mart is wrong here, I just don't think this is a good comparison.

If you don't want someone else minding YOUR business, it sure as crap is.
It boils down to people who AREN'T YOU deciding what YOU will have to live with and pay for and deal with. That's what the whole freedom of choice thing is about, whether it's freedom of having a chlld or not, reading a book or not, or being able to shop somewhere besides the company store. From the way you talk, it's clear that you find other people's freedoms easy to give up. Just wait til its your own ox that is gored.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

If you don't want someone else minding YOUR business, it sure as crap is.
It boils down to people who AREN'T YOU deciding what YOU will have to live with and pay for and deal with. That's what the whole freedom of choice thing is about, whether it's freedom of having a chlld or not, reading a book or not, or being able to shop somewhere besides the company store. From the way you talk, it's clear that you find other people's freedoms easy to give up. Just wait til its your own ox that is gored.

Take a step off dude. I just answered your question.

 

[Masterj]

Plan B does NOT cause abortions!!

Here's some information from the ETSU College of Nursing:
http://www.etsu.edu/studenthealth/Emergency_Birth_Control.htm#General%20Information

General Information About the Medication Called "Plan B"

Plan B is the brand name of an oral emergency contraceptive medication. Plan B is very effective in preventing a pregnancy if taken within 72 hours after unprotected sex. (Some studies say 120 hours, but the FDA approves only 72 hours.) Plan B is not as effective as more traditional forms of birth control. (e.g. Condoms, Birth Control Pills, Depo- Provera, NuvaRing)

Plan B is sometimes referred to as the "morning after pill". Plan B is NOT the medication ( Mifepristone) that is referred to as the "early option/abortion pill". Plan B will NOT cause an abortion. Plan B will NOT terminate an established pregnancy.

Plan B will not protect you from sexually transmitted infections

Thank you IrishMist. People need to read and understand what this drug is before they assume it is an abortion pill. IT IS NOT!!! :banghead:

 

[2sisters]

Oddly enough, music and playboy doesn;t have a god-damn thing to do with someone's physical health.

And for a lot of rural people living in communities where Wal-mart has effectively destroyed every competitor (like my home twon of 3000 people) it IS the only game in town.

Not everyone lives in suburbia.

Never said they were the same thing I have not been disrespectful to you so do the same for me and don't curse at me please. I also don't live in suburbia either. The morning after pill ahs nothing to do with physical health. An abortion later on in preganancy, yes but taking a pill a day after you had sex no.

 

[IrishMist]

Never said they were the same thing I have not been disrespectful to you so do the same for me and don't curse at me please. I also don't live in suburbia either. The morning after pill ahs nothing to do with physical health. An abortion later on in preganancy, yes but taking a pill a day after you had sex no.

I don't know, I can kind of see your point, but birth control helps prevent abortions- and isn't that a good thing???

 

[2sisters]

I don't know, I can kind of see your point, but birth control helps prevent abortions- and isn't that a good thing???

Yes it is, my only point with this particular pill is that it just doesn't need to be relied on as effective birth control all the time. Morning after pill can be a good thing for some I do agree with that.

As far as the complaint about walmart destroying small business they are a fierce competitor for small business but unless you can honestly say you have never spent a dime at walmart and have always supported small business then you can't complain about them hurting small business. Most who complain about walmart being this evil empire shop there at least once a month. How can you not go there, things are expensive and you need to save every penny you can but thats for a different thread I suppose.