Wrongful Death Suit filed Nov. 13, 2013 in California, #2

[MyBelle]

MyBelle
"Each side has a different agenda. Dina's goal was to get a thorough investigation into her child's death, not for the return of personal property. RZ's death was thoroughly investigated."

"The fact that Dina's lawsuit was dismissed is an indication to me that a settlement agreement was likely reached with Jonah. "


BBM
MyBelle, I'm confused... If Dina's goal was to get a thorough investigation, then why would she have settled? Are you saying that she is satisfied with the findings of Max's death? The finding of it being a horrible accident? Because I find it hard to believe she would settle with Jonah if she still thought otherwise. This seems very contradictory, maybe you can clarify?

The wrongful death lawsuit had nothing to do with police. It had to do with Jonah failing to protect Max from RZ even though Dina said she had requested RZ not be left alone with him. Jonah really had no good defense. Settlement eliminates the risk of a much higher jury award.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

How much "time" spent on a case becomes irrelevant if not used in a professional manner. Example, phone records were not requested until late August. Almost 60 days after Rebecca's death. Just days before the big SDSO press conference. The same phone records used to triangulate Dina's cell phone. Why did it take so long to request such important details? More importantly evidence was lost because of the misuse of time. The infamous voicmail Jonah allegedly left was gone.

The same can be said about the number of investigators. Taxpayers expect their LE agency to provide an unbiased professional investigation. One that is consistent in their protocol. Using science to prove what is or is not evidence instead of the word of a possible suspect. Jonah knew who the panties in the guest room belonged to. No need to use science to uncover possible evidence. Imo, Rebecca's case was cherry picked and she did not receive a thorough investigation.

If taxpayers were dissatisfied with the Sheriff's office, they had the opportunity to vote him out of office. Instead, he was re-elected by the same taxpayers who will comprise the jury pool in this case.

JMO http://timesofsandiego.com/politics/2015/01/05/2-new-county-supervisors-others-sworn/

 

[bourne]

THIS is straight from the complaint, and is EXACTLY what they are alleging happened:


10. On or around the morning of July 13, 2011, Defendants ADAM, DINA
and NINA, and each of them, conspired to plan, and did in fact, enter into a
common scheme of conduct with the intent to murder REBECCA in Coronado, California,
and did in fact, murder REBECCA by each of them personally
committing one or more of the following acts in furtherance of the common scheme
and conspiracy:
(a) striking REBECCA on the head multiple times with a blunt instrument;
(b) physically restraining her;
(c) further restraining her by binding her legs with tape;
(d) gagging her;
(e) binding her hands behind her back with rope;
(f) binding her ankles together with rope;
(g) removing the previously placed tape from her legs;
(h) strangling her to the point of unconsciousness or death;
(i) making and placing a rope noose around her neck;
(j) tying the other end of the rope leading to the noose to a bed;
(k) carrying her to the adjacent balcony and pushing her over the railing of
the balcony causing her to fall and, if she was still alive at that time, to then
die by asphyxiation.

(l) during the course of the conspiracy to murder REBECCA, each of the
Defendants also kept watch to avoid detection and removed evidence of the
acts which they committed, including wiping down objects they had touched
in order to remove DNA and finger prints; and
(m) as a further ploy to cover up their wrongdoing, and in furtherance of their
common scheme, Defendants painted the following words on the inside of
door near the balcony where she was left hanging:
SHE SAVED HIM CAN YOU SAVE HER

11. On the morning of July 13, 2011, REBECCA was found dead, naked,
bound and gagged, with a rope noose around her neck. Her cause of death was
asphyxiation, which was caused by either manual strangulation before she was
hanged, or from being hanged with a rope noose around her neck from the second
story deck of the Coronado vacation home at which she was staying. The Coroner
for the County of San Diego determined that she died on that date.

12. Each of the Defendants named herein were present at the location where
the murder of REBECCA occurred and all of them actively participated in the
planning, implementation, execution and subsequent concealment of the scheme to
murder REBECCA. Because the only individuals who know the true facts and
sequence of events with absolute certainty are the decedent REBECCA and the
Defendants themselves, the allegations made herein are made on information and
belief based on the evidence that has been uncovered to date. Plaintiffs intend to
seek leave to amend the Complaint as additional facts are developed and uncovered
during the course of discovery.

13. Due to DINA’s prior incidents of confronting and threatening
DECEDENT, DINA’s prior history of being unable to control her anger, her
1040 Ocean Boulevard residence the evening of the murder, that on the evening of
July 12, 2011, DINA aggressively confronted the DECEDENT at the Ocean
Boulevard residence, along with her sister, NINA. This confrontation arose from an
accident the prior day when DINA’s son Maxfield fell over a second floor railing at
the Ocean Boulevard residence, causing him brain damage and eventually his death
on July 16, 2011. DECEDENT was babysitting Maxfield at the time of the fall.

14. Plaintiffs allege, based in part on the mud found on DECEDENT’s feet
and four subgaleal hemorrhages on the back right side of her head, that in response
to the aggressive confrontation from Defendants DINA and NINA, DECEDENT,
fearing for her safety, attempted to flee the residence. However, before DECEDENT
could evade her attackers, she was struck four times on the back of the head with a
blunt object by DINA, rendering her unconscious. Plaintiffs believe that at this time,
ADAM, who had taken an Ambien earlier in the evening and was sleeping in the
guest house at the residence, was awakened by the commotion and came to the
scene.

15. Once confronted with the reality that DECEDENT would eventually
regain consciousness, and thereafter probably disclose information about this
incident and possibly other information of a personal nature that could cause public
humiliation and embarrassment to Defendants and Jonah Shacknai (i.e., the ex-
husband of DINA, father of Maxfield, brother of ADAM and the boyfriend of the
DECEDENT), the Defendants entered in to a conspiracy and common scheme to
murder the DECEDENT and hide their involvement.

16. Due to the lack of markings on her body evidencing her being dragged
back into the house, Plaintiffs allege that ADAM carried the DECEDENT back into
the house. Based on the facts that DECEDENT was found naked and the clothing
she was wearing on that date was not found at the scene of the murder, Plaintiffs
allege that once inside the residence, the Defendants stripped off her clothing. Based
on the tape residue found on DECEDENT’s legs, and the fact that no tape with
similar adhesive was found at the scene, Plaintiffs allege that the Defendants first
restrained DECEDENT with tape, and gagged her, while they were devising and
planning the rest of the scheme, and later removed the tape from the scene.

17. Thereafter, the Defendants contrived an elaborate scheme to murder
REBECCA and conceal their involvement. DINA previously resided in the
residence, and thus was familiar with where to find items necessary to further the
scheme, including, inter alia, the ski rope used to bind and hang the DECEDENT.

18. The final scheme agreed to that evening by the Defendants involved
binding DECEDENT’s hands (behind her back) and ankles with rope they found at
the residence. Plaintiffs allege that based on the knots having nautical qualities and
ADAM being a tug boat captain with experience tying nautical knots, that ADAM
bound the DECEDENT. Plaintiffs further base this allegation on the fact that the
ropes had the same black paint residue found on DECEDENT’s nipples, thus
implicating the person who tied the knots as the person who also pinched the
Decedent’s nipples, and that ADAM had admitted to masturbating to
on his cell phone that evening, the further inference being that the two instances of
sexual behavior are consistent with ADAM’s state of mind that evening. The
Defendants also placed a blue t-shirt around her neck and stuffed it in her mouth,
using it as a gag to both muffle her screams and cover up any marks that would
suggest murder. Based on the type of injury to DECEDENT’s throat, which
commonly occurs with strangulation and is unlikely to occur with a hanging, and
the amount of strength needed to create such injury, Plaintiffs allege that in the early
hours of July 13, 2011, ADAM choked REBECCA to death.

19. Once they murdered REBECCA, DINA instructed ADAM to leave a
message was painted using black paint at a height that is consistent with an
individual who is approximately the height of ADAM. The message read: “SHE
SAVED HIM. CAN YOU SAVE HER.”

20. ADAM, based on black paint residue found on the noose, then
tightened the noose around the neck of the DECEDENT and attached the rope to the
base of the bed. ADAM then picked up REBECCA, then threw her over the edge of
the adjacent balcony. Either DINA or NINA was sitting on the bed to which the
rope was secured, to ensure that the bed remained anchored to the floor as
evidenced by the bed having moved less than a foot. While the scheme was being
perpetrated, Defendants DINA and NINA also acted as look outs to avoid detection
and encouraged ADAM to commit the acts alleged herein. Although each of the
Defendants was in part responsible for putting the DECEDENT in harms way, none
of them made any effort to help her or to save her from the injuries that eventually
resulted in her death.

21. The Defendants were careful to remove any evidence of their
involvement, including the disposal of the tape and REBECCA’s clothes. Once the
staging was complete, the Defendants fled the scene, instructing ADAM to call the
police in the early morning with claims of suicide.

Each of the defendants had his/her own motives for committing these
wrongful acts, including anger and revenge against REBECCA arising from the
fatal injuries suffered by six-year-old Maxwell Shacknai, nephew to ADAM, niece
to NINA and daughter to DINA, while REBECCA was taking care of him two days
before she was murdered. In addition, Defendant DINA SHACKNAI was extremely
jealous of REBECCA’s relationship with her ex-husband, JONAH SHACKNAI and
her now deceased son, Maxwell. The Defendants were further motivated to silence
REBECCA in order to keep her from disclosing matters that could prove extremely
embarrassing to the Defendants and their families.


As the Zahau.'s lawyer recently said, "As a lawyer what you really like to see are statements by the opposition that are so outrageous that they are easily disproved and thats exactly the way it is in this case."


Link please? The entire document is available earlier in the thread.

Wow. Thanks. The repetition of the Zahau complaint is greatly appreciated!

 

[bourne]

MyBelle
"Each side has a different agenda. Dina's goal was to get a thorough investigation into her child's death, not for the return of personal property. RZ's death was thoroughly investigated."

"The fact that Dina's lawsuit was dismissed is an indication to me that a settlement agreement was likely reached with Jonah. "


BBM
MyBelle, I'm confused... If Dina's goal was to get a thorough investigation, then why would she have settled? Are you saying that she is satisfied with the findings of Max's death? The finding of it being a horrible accident? Because I find it hard to believe she would settle with Jonah if she still thought otherwise. This seems very contradictory, maybe you can clarify?

You hit the nail on the head! WTH is the other poster talking about?

 

[bourne]

BBM....I just can't agree with your post, for the following reasons: IF (and that is a big IF) Rebecca thought her relationship would end because of Max's injuries, she would have had that thought/known from the very start. Instead, she spent her time picking up Nina and Adam from the airport and driving them to the hospital. (She may have even driven one of their family friends as well, but I don't know if that has been documented or discussed.) She did not run away or feel guilty (per Mary's interview) about Max's injuries. Either because it was a terrible accident, an unwitnessed event, or she knew who was responsible. Feeling "badly or sad" is a totally different than feeling "guilty or responsible." I say this because I was injured in an accident once and everyone felt "badly/sad" but I surely did not expect anyone to feel "guilty or responsible." I don't think Rebecca would be the kind of person who would willingly abandon her boyfriend while he was going through so much distress. (She wanted to "stay strong" for him.) The loss of "financial support" sounds absolutely ridiculous....as she had provided for herself financially for years, and still drove/owned the same car!
And as for the claims of a "thorough investigation by SDSO, et al".... let us not forget they also posted grainy pictures of a family crossing the border and wanted the public to believe that it was proof the McStay family had abandoned their house in the middle of a meal and walked across the border!
The horrible images of Rebecca lying dead in a courtyard, stripped of her clothing and jewelry, along with the autopsy report just looks like someone wanted to harm and humiliate her, and her alone. Her death appears as if someone was angry with her, not Rebecca angry with her boyfriend. That is just how I see it. BTW, Nina said a doctor had informed them of dire news on Tuesday night, as per her telephone interview with Chan8....and I believe that was the catalyst for the events of that evening, not the phone call from her boyfriend.

BBM. Thanks iQ! Clearly the pro-Dina posters' claim that neither Nina nor Dina know about Max's fatal prognosis until Thursday or Saturday is BOGUS!!!! Even Nina admitted in her CBS8 audio interview that a doctor had told the family about Max's fatal prognosis that TUESDAY and that that was the "catalyst" for Rebecca's death.

So now we have Nina's OWN WORDS that she and Dina KNEW about Max's fatal condition since TUESDAY.

 

[*Lash*]

Nina Romano's interview - When and what she and her sister Dina Shacknai knew about Maxie's condition.

Tuesday EARLY the 12th -
(Summary - Nina alleges Max would be in ICU for a week. Then recover in a step down unit with rehab.)

NINA: I spoke to the nurses that day. This was Tuesday - and
they said - well, this is what we think is going to happen. We think
that he'll probably be in the ICU for about a week. And then we think
he'll go to the - I guess they call it a step down unit? - um and he'll
probably be there a couple of weeks and then he'll have to do a lot of
rehab. So he'll probably miss the soccer season - he might not make it
to first grade right away - but this is what they were saying. Because
we were under the impression that he had CPR within two minutes,
because that's what she said. She said that he had his fall and she
gave him CPR within two minutes of his fall.

Tuesday LATER the 12th -
(Summary - Did Dina receive bad news on Tuesday? Yes, Dr. Peterson came in and told Dina and Nina Max may never walk or talk again.)

CROSSTALK: Well they said she had received the bad news that he had
taken a turn for the worst and that he wasn't going to make it on that
Tuesday night. Did the family receive bad news that night that he
wasn't going to make it?

NINA: Dr. Peterson came into the hospital Tuesday evening, and very
abruptly said to my sister, "I don't know if this kid is every going to
walk or talk again." That's what he told my sister. Now, maybe he had a
conversation with Jonah separately. I dont know. I dont know about
that. Jonah is a really really smart very very smart man. He's very
familiar with medical technology and what all the numbers mean and that
kind of thing, and my sister is very smart as well I mean, but maybe
Jonah knew something that by looking at you know the machines, like he
would call even if he wasn't at the hospital which was like very rare,
he would always call to say 'what are the numbers', you know what's
happening. Maybe he knew something that we didn't.

Still Tuesday LATER the 12th -
(Summary - Nina alleges after hearing Max may never walk or talk again, they did not know Max would not survive. Nina tells the reporter because the doctor did not come in and say Max would not survive.)

CROSSTALK: So, ok, but he did indicate to your sister that he thought
the injuries would be more serious? At least through that blunt
statement that he told you.

NINA: But he said that 'I don't know if he will walk and talk again',
but he did not come in and say to her 'I don't think he is going to
survive'.

Wednesday AFTERNOON the 13th -
(Summary - Nina alleges Wednesday is when Dina figured out if Max would survive he would be in a vegetable state.)

CROSSTALK: When did your sister uh figure out that he probably wasn't
going to survive?

NINA: Well, we, let's see, Wednesday we knew of the severity of the
brain damage, we knew how severe it was, so what they told us was that
if he was to come out of the coma, he would be a vegetable. So if he
survived, he would not be the person that he was.

CROSSTALK: At what point on Wednesday did he tell you that?

NINA: I believe it was in the afternoon, after they got the results
from the MRI. So Thursday, we were, myself my sister, and Jonah, were
all at the hospital and were there throughout the night and we kind a,
we right around midnight or so, just based on what the numbers were,
the numbers were not good, and I don't think that any of us wanted to
say it out loud, but we knew that things were not getting better they
were getting worse. And then Friday morning, he died.

Link - http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/nina_romano.mp3

 

[*Lash*]

Respectfully snipped for context -

Science is what told the investigators that it was Rebecca Zahau and only Rebecca Zahau that was in that room that night, and that she, and only she, painted that door, tied those knots, stepped out on the balcony, fell over the railing, and hung herself. Fingerprints and DNA don't lie. Once you've figured that out, what more do you need? Still, they ended up finding plenty of circumstantial evidence as well- like the diaries and the Korean video, The Housemaid, which Rebecca based her hanging on-in those seven long weeks that they had 15 decectives working on the case.

In my opinion, Rebecca Zahau's case is a perfect example of confirmation bias. Which began with Adam Shacknai's 911 reporting. When upon finding a woman hanging nude, bound and gagged, he reports I got a girl that hung herself. Pertienent evidence was not tested. Possibly very relevant evidence was not tested. Science does not lie, but it can be misconstrued to fit a theory. As well, science cannot lie if you do not test the evidence.

ScienceDaily, Confirmation Bias -

In psychology and cognitive science, confirmation bias (or confirmatory bias) is a tendency to search for or interpret information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions, leading to statistical errors.

Confirmation bias is a type of cognitive bias and represents an error of inductive inference toward confirmation of the hypothesis under study.

Confirmation bias is a phenomenon wherein decision makers have been shown to actively seek out and assign more weight to evidence that confirms their hypothesis, and ignore or underweigh evidence that could disconfirm their hypothesis.

As such, it can be thought of as a form of selection bias in collecting evidence.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/c/confirmation_bias.htm

 

[bourne]

Nina Romano's interview - When and what she and her sister Dina Shacknai knew about Maxie's condition.

Tuesday EARLY the 12th -
(Summary - Nina alleges Max would be in ICU for a week. Then recover in a step down unit with rehab.)

NINA: I spoke to the nurses that day. This was Tuesday - and
they said - well, this is what we think is going to happen. We think
that he'll probably be in the ICU for about a week. And then we think
he'll go to the - I guess they call it a step down unit? - um and he'll
probably be there a couple of weeks and then he'll have to do a lot of
rehab. So he'll probably miss the soccer season - he might not make it
to first grade right away - but this is what they were saying. Because
we were under the impression that he had CPR within two minutes,
because that's what she said. She said that he had his fall and she
gave him CPR within two minutes of his fall.

Tuesday LATER the 12th -
(Summary - Did Dina receive bad news on Tuesday? Yes, Dr. Peterson came in and told Dina and Nina Max may never walk or talk again.)

CROSSTALK: Well they said she had received the bad news that he had
taken a turn for the worst and that he wasn't going to make it on that
Tuesday night. Did the family receive bad news that night that he
wasn't going to make it?

NINA: Dr. Peterson came into the hospital Tuesday evening, and very
abruptly said to my sister, "I don't know if this kid is every going to
walk or talk again." That's what he told my sister. Now, maybe he had a
conversation with Jonah separately. I dont know. I dont know about
that. Jonah is a really really smart very very smart man. He's very
familiar with medical technology and what all the numbers mean and that
kind of thing, and my sister is very smart as well I mean, but maybe
Jonah knew something that by looking at you know the machines, like he
would call even if he wasn't at the hospital which was like very rare,
he would always call to say 'what are the numbers', you know what's
happening. Maybe he knew something that we didn't.

Still Tuesday LATER the 12th -
(Summary - Nina alleges after hearing Max may never walk or talk again, they did not know Max would not survive. Nina tells the reporter because the doctor did not come in and say Max would not survive.)

CROSSTALK: So, ok, but he did indicate to your sister that he thought
the injuries would be more serious? At least through that blunt
statement that he told you.

NINA: But he said that 'I don't know if he will walk and talk again',
but he did not come in and say to her 'I don't think he is going to
survive'.

Wednesday AFTERNOON the 13th -
(Summary - Nina alleges Wednesday is when Dina figured out if Max would survive he would be in a vegetable state.)

CROSSTALK: When did your sister uh figure out that he probably wasn't
going to survive?

NINA: Well, we, let's see, Wednesday we knew of the severity of the
brain damage, we knew how severe it was, so what they told us was that
if he was to come out of the coma, he would be a vegetable. So if he
survived, he would not be the person that he was.

CROSSTALK: At what point on Wednesday did he tell you that?

NINA: I believe it was in the afternoon, after they got the results
from the MRI. So Thursday, we were, myself my sister, and Jonah, were
all at the hospital and were there throughout the night and we kind a,
we right around midnight or so, just based on what the numbers were,
the numbers were not good, and I don't think that any of us wanted to
say it out loud, but we knew that things were not getting better they
were getting worse. And then Friday morning, he died.

Link - http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/nina_romano.mp3

Thanks for these explicit statements in verbatim of what Nina said.

I believe strongly that since Dina and Nina have both been consistently and aggressively stating that Rebecca did not perform CPR within 2 minutes and therefore caused Max's brain death, and the fact that in the interview statements above, Nina stated clearly that it was TUESDAY EVENING that Dr. Peterson ABRUPTLY told her sister Dina that "Max would never walk or talk again" that THAT WAS indeed the PRECIPITOUS EVENT that caused Dina to go off in a huff from the hospital to seek the humiliating, torturous, sadistic vengeance of Rebecca that TUESDAY EVENING/NIGHT TO EARLY WEDNESDAY MORNING. That is why Dina was identified by independent, impartial bicyclist family eyewitness to be seen at the Spreckels mansion door "acting bizarrely" and "carrying a huge black bag" that very same Tuesday night. Dina could not contain her eruptive, volatile, violent temper and in line with how she exploded at Jonah even in front of Max in the past, e.g., when Max bed wet, that Dina would instinctively go off on her murderous savage rampage of Rebecca.

THANK YOU Lash for providing such a clear outline of Dina and Nina's motives for murdering Rebecca.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

BBM. Thanks iQ! Clearly the pro-Dina posters' claim that neither Nina nor Dina know about Max's fatal prognosis until Thursday or Saturday is BOGUS!!!! Even Nina admitted in her CBS8 audio interview that a doctor had told the family about Max's fatal prognosis that TUESDAY and that that was the "catalyst" for Rebecca's death.

So now we have Nina's OWN WORDS that she and Dina KNEW about Max's fatal condition since TUESDAY.

Nina never said that Max's condition was the "catalyst for Rebecca's death". Please provide a link for that. Add still waiting for a link that proves the case is going to trail and jury selection begins next month.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Wow. Thanks. The repetition of the Zahau complaint is greatly appreciated!

You are welcome. The ludicris implausibility of what the Zahaus are alledgeing does bare repeating - often.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Nina never said that Max's condition was the "catalyst for Rebecca's death". Please provide a link for that. Add still waiting for a link that proves the case is going to trail and jury selection begins next month.

And thanks to Lash for disproving what Bourne said in post #547.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Respectfully snipped for context -


In my opinion, Rebecca Zahau's case is a perfect example of confirmation bias. Which began with Adam Shacknai's 911 reporting. When upon finding a woman hanging nude, bound and gagged, he reports I got a girl that hung herself. Pertienent evidence was not tested. Possibly very relevant evidence was not tested. Science does not lie, but it can be misconstrued to fit a theory. As well, science cannot lie if you do not test the evidence.

ScienceDaily, Confirmation Bias -

In psychology and cognitive science, confirmation bias (or confirmatory bias) is a tendency to search for or interpret information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions, leading to statistical errors.

Confirmation bias is a type of cognitive bias and represents an error of inductive inference toward confirmation of the hypothesis under study.

Confirmation bias is a phenomenon wherein decision makers have been shown to actively seek out and assign more weight to evidence that confirms their hypothesis, and ignore or underweigh evidence that could disconfirm their hypothesis.

As such, it can be thought of as a form of selection bias in collecting evidence.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/c/confirmation_bias.htm

Until the case files are released, we don't know the full extent of the investigation that lasted seven weeks. Why? Because the Zahaus never released those files. Why? What is in them that they want to hide about Rebecca.

It was clear with the DNA and fingerprint evidence who killed Rebecca. Rebecca did.

 

[bourne]

Thanks for these explicit statements in verbatim of what Nina said.

I believe strongly that since Dina and Nina have both been consistently and aggressively stating that Rebecca did not perform CPR within 2 minutes and therefore caused Max's brain death, and the fact that in the interview statements above, Nina stated clearly that it was TUESDAY EVENING that Dr. Peterson ABRUPTLY told her sister Dina that "Max would never walk or talk again" that THAT WAS indeed the PRECIPITOUS EVENT that caused Dina to go off in a huff from the hospital to seek the humiliating, torturous, sadistic vengeance of Rebecca that TUESDAY EVENING/NIGHT TO EARLY WEDNESDAY MORNING. That is why Dina was identified by independent, impartial bicyclist family eyewitness to be seen at the Spreckels mansion door "acting bizarrely" and "carrying a huge black bag" that very same Tuesday night. Dina could not contain her eruptive, volatile, violent temper and in line with how she exploded at Jonah even in front of Max in the past, e.g., when Max bed wet, that Dina would instinctively go off on her murderous savage rampage of Rebecca.

THANK YOU Lash for providing such a clear outline of Dina and Nina's motives for murdering Rebecca.

Can you imagine being "ABRUPTLY" which is the exact word Nina stated in her Crosstalk interview (see Lash's Post #546) told by a closed family doctor, Dr. Peterson, that your *one and only son* from Jonah, the wealthy man you once married whom this Rebecca stole from you will "NEVER WALK OR TALK AGAIN"?

Here is Nina's transcribed words verbatim:

NINA: Dr. Peterson came into the hospital Tuesday evening, and very
abruptly said to my sister, "I don't know if this kid is ever going to
walk or talk again." That's what he told my sister..."and my sister's very smart as well"...


So Dr Peterson ABRUPTLY told the very smart Dina (who calls herself a "Doctor" and "Scientist" by the way) on TUESDAY EVENING that Max would never walk/talk again. This is the *PROXIMAL EVENT* & *MOTIVE* that drove Dina into a homicidal rage against Rebecca that Tuesday night, plus of course, Dina's accumulation of anger/vengeance/jealousy issues over Rebecca stealing her husband Jonah the years prior.

And then, Dina and Nina keep reiterating in interview after interview, that Rebecca "never performed CPR for Max within two minutes" as she claimed, hence causing Max's brain death which was confirmed by Dr. Peterson on Tues evening, and then, Nina later admits to borrowing Jonah's car to go confront Rebecca Tues night at the Spreckels mansion, and Dina is eyewitnessed physically at the Spreckels front door "acting bizarrely" and "carrying a huge black bag"...

Can there be better physical evidence than this?

Which reasonable juror would NOT see this as CLEAR & CONVINCING MOTIVE for Dina sadistically and heinously murdering Rebecca?

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Can you imagine being "ABRUPTLY" which is the exact word Nina stated in her Crosstalk interview (see Lash's Post #546) told by a closed family doctor, Dr. Peterson, that your *one and only son* from Jonah, the wealthy man you once married whom this Rebecca stole from you will "NEVER WALK OR TALK AGAIN"?

Here is Nina's transcribed words verbatim:

NINA: Dr. Peterson came into the hospital Tuesday evening, and very
abruptly said to my sister, "I don't know if this kid is ever going to
walk or talk again." That's what he told my sister..."and my sister's very smart as well"...


So Dr Peterson ABRUPTLY told the very smart Dina (who calls herself a "Doctor" and "Scientist" by the way) on TUESDAY EVENING that Max would never walk/talk again. This is the *PROXIMAL EVENT* & *MOTIVE* that drove Dina into a homicidal rage against Rebecca that Tuesday night, plus of course, Dina's accumulation of anger/vengeance/jealousy issues over Rebecca stealing her husband Jonah the years prior.

And then, Dina and Nina keep reiterating in interview after interview, that Rebecca "never performed CPR for Max within two minutes" as she claimed, hence causing Max's brain death which was confirmed by Dr. Peterson on Tues evening, and then, Nina later admits to borrowing Jonah's car to go confront Rebecca Tues night at the Spreckels mansion, and Dina is eyewitnessed physically at the Spreckels front door "acting bizarrely" and "carrying a huge black bag"...

Can there be better physical evidence than this?

Which reasonable juror would NOT see this as CLEAR & CONVINCING MOTIVE for Dina sadistically and heinously murdering Rebecca?

No juror would see that as evidence of a murder. Nada one. Jurors are going to want physical evidence - like the physical evidence that proves Rebeeca committed suicide.

But impressive imagination there, Bourne.

 

[screecher]

Bettcha Nina regrets that interview. Bwahahah.

 

[MyBelle]

Thanks for these explicit statements in verbatim of what Nina said.

I believe strongly that since Dina and Nina have both been consistently and aggressively stating that Rebecca did not perform CPR within 2 minutes and therefore caused Max's brain death, and the fact that in the interview statements above, Nina stated clearly that it was TUESDAY EVENING that Dr. Peterson ABRUPTLY told her sister Dina that "Max would never walk or talk again" that THAT WAS indeed the PRECIPITOUS EVENT that caused Dina to go off in a huff from the hospital to seek the humiliating, torturous, sadistic vengeance of Rebecca that TUESDAY EVENING/NIGHT TO EARLY WEDNESDAY MORNING. That is why Dina was identified by independent, impartial bicyclist family eyewitness to be seen at the Spreckels mansion door "acting bizarrely" and "carrying a huge black bag" that very same Tuesday night. Dina could not contain her eruptive, volatile, violent temper and in line with how she exploded at Jonah even in front of Max in the past, e.g., when Max bed wet, that Dina would instinctively go off on her murderous savage rampage of Rebecca.

THANK YOU Lash for providing such a clear outline of Dina and Nina's motives for murdering Rebecca.

It isn't a motive for murder at all......it is a motive to pick up the phone and contact police which is exactly what the Dr. instructed the Hospital to do.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Until the case files are released, we don't know the full extent of the investigation that lasted seven weeks. Why? Because the Zahaus never released those files. Why? What is in them that they want to hide about Rebecca.

It was clear with the DNA and fingerprint evidence who killed Rebecca. Rebecca did.

refresh my memory, please. At one point did the Sheriff also say that there was information he had not publicly released but he might change his mind? It was during the period where RZ's family and their attorney were publicly berating the Sheriff's office.

 

[MyBelle]

Can you imagine being "ABRUPTLY" which is the exact word Nina stated in her Crosstalk interview (see Lash's Post #546) told by a closed family doctor, Dr. Peterson, that your *one and only son* from Jonah, the wealthy man you once married whom this Rebecca stole from you will "NEVER WALK OR TALK AGAIN"?

Here is Nina's transcribed words verbatim:

NINA: Dr. Peterson came into the hospital Tuesday evening, and very
abruptly said to my sister, "I don't know if this kid is ever going to
walk or talk again." That's what he told my sister..."and my sister's very smart as well"...


So Dr Peterson ABRUPTLY told the very smart Dina (who calls herself a "Doctor" and "Scientist" by the way) on TUESDAY EVENING that Max would never walk/talk again. This is the *PROXIMAL EVENT* & *MOTIVE* that drove Dina into a homicidal rage against Rebecca that Tuesday night, plus of course, Dina's accumulation of anger/vengeance/jealousy issues over Rebecca stealing her husband Jonah the years prior.

And then, Dina and Nina keep reiterating in interview after interview, that Rebecca "never performed CPR for Max within two minutes" as she claimed, hence causing Max's brain death which was confirmed by Dr. Peterson on Tues evening, and then, Nina later admits to borrowing Jonah's car to go confront Rebecca Tues night at the Spreckels mansion, and Dina is eyewitnessed physically at the Spreckels front door "acting bizarrely" and "carrying a huge black bag"...

Can there be better physical evidence than this?

Which reasonable juror would NOT see this as CLEAR & CONVINCING MOTIVE for Dina sadistically and heinously murdering Rebecca?

A person's words are not physical evidence of anything at all. I'm pretty sure motive doesn't have to be proved but opportunity sure does and in this case, the location of all three defendants is documented either in hospital or phone records or both. Plus, after an extensive, lengthy investigation, police cleared them and reached a logical conclusion. A police officer's testimony is usually found very credible by a jury.

JMO

 

[Waitaminute]

correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as opportunity and location, weren't 2 of the 3 defendants actually at the home where the murder took place that same evening? (nina over for a question of Rebecca, and adam, in the guest house) and the 3rd defendant's location not verified to the public as of yet, however, identified by a passerby of being at the home also? That could easily place the 3 defendants right there on the property where the murder occurred, on the same evening. don't get me wrong, im not stating what I think happened, just looking at opportunity of each of the defendants.

 

[Waitaminute]

further, I wont venture out to say whether Rebecca committed suicide, or WAS suicided, however, as an outside opinion, I can say that lack of evidence of another person immediately obvious (dna, fingerprints) doesn't create evidence of suicide that is missing. I don't think the lack of dna or fingerprints would sway me one way or the other and I would have to examine what actually was and was not present additionally for clues.