Wrongful Death Suit filed Nov. 13, 2013 in California, #3

[K_Z]

Rady PICU layout appears to be glassed in cubicles, with exterior windows** in the cubicles. Central nurses station. Website says 24 beds in PICU-- that is a pretty big ICU.

https://vimeo.com/55560534

http://www.rchsd.org/programs-services/critical-care/

** Cell phone tower reception is improved when in proximity to a window. And even if the windows were foiled with reflective material, the industry says there is no substantial interference with signals.

Mary Edmondson, the executive director of the Reflective Insulation Manufacturers Association (RIMA), who said, “There have been no studies that indicate there is any interference with cell phone usage where a radiant barrier is present. In other words, no, reflective products do not affect cell phone reception inside a house or structure where both are present.” - See more at: http://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com...ock-cell-phone-reception#sthash.kD8d1mts.dpuf

So if the cell phone was WITH Dina at all times, and she claims to be at the bedside in PICU the entire time, does the triangulation with available towers in 2011, and service providers agree with that?

Investigators who conduct cell phone triangulation will be able to very closely identify the location of a particular phone, when it moves, and when it is stationary, and when the signal is stronger or weaker, as well as when the signal bounces between closely located towers. "In the vicinity" is a very broad, ambiguous answer, and there is more specificity the public hasn't been allowed to hear.

I think if I were alleged to have murdered someone, and inexplicably didn't show up on hospital surveillance video during that timeframe, I'd hire experts to narrow down my cell phone triangulation signal to the exact property location I claimed to be at. There are many, many questions about the cell triangulation. Where did it last ping before the "in the vicinity" location? Where was the NEXT movement ping? Were there any calls, texts, etc during that time? Dina's cell records have never been released.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

We all know that's not true. Just because LE -- a cop -- says and believes one thing does NOT mean a Judge or anyone else including an entire community/jury would believe the same thing. We only need look at recent events wherein COPS shoot/maim/kill a minority suspect claiming self-defense and everyone and their mother believe differently and CONVICT the cop.

It's easy to prove Dina left the hospital and Max's deathbed because she was not caught on ANY hospital surveillance videos. So Zahaus already won there. Hands down. Dina lost.

It does not matter whether Dina was on tape or not. She has witnesses that know she was there...like nurses and medical staff. Ann Rule said so in her book. NUMEROUS WITNESSES.

Who will the Judge believe? A witness that came forward weeks after the incident that has connections with Zahau followers, or inpartial nurses, doctors, and medical staff at Rady's? Hint - It is not the biased bicycle guy.

The Zahaus and their followers can waste their time talking about tapes at Rady's - but what they will have to prove is that Dina, Nina, and Adam were in the courtyard that night, AND in Rebecca's room, AND that they killed her.

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[LuckyLucy2]

Lash, as always, I am so appreciative of your library and timeline on this case. So many important details right at your fingertips!

Sheriff Gore's statement is pretty unequivocal. It doesn't take a linguist or a body language expert to identify that he did NOT want to answer that question. He delayed as long as he could, deflecting, deferring to someone else, and was quite uncomfortable. He knew, as we all do, that the lack of evidence of Dina on surveillance video is an enormous, gaping hole of doubt in the investigator's case.

If there were ANY other objective, or eyewitness, evidence placing Dina in the PICU for the whole time, they never would have had to go far down the algorithm to "last resort", indirect methods, used in missing persons cases. Cell triangulation is INDIRECT evidence, proving only the location of the phone (and not the person), as everyone knows.

The much bigger issue is that someone who "should have" had no reason to hide, and who SHOULD BE in many places on the surveillance video, is NOT THERE. And there has never been any explanation for that. None.

It really is a huge, gaping hole of doubt. Combined with what we know, and even more of what there is that we DON'T know (like Dina and Nina's phone records, etc), I can really see why the Zahau's are ready to go to trial very shortly. And why Dina is doing everything in her power to prevent that.

Maybe that's even why her attorneys Rake and Benchoff notified the court they were going to stop representing her.

Dina, IMO, does not want "her day in court." She does not want to have her actions and responsibility scrutinized by a jury, IMO. Because all the evidence points to her being very responsible as the ringleader in Rebecca's wrongful death, IMO. And she knows that, IMO. She knows there is no way to persuade a jury that she isn't responsible for Rebecca's death, IMO.

And I definitely believe Dina has a few loyal minions, intentionally planting false information and generating controversy where ever they can. That's been beyond obvious since the Coronado Patch troll wars began in this case. Every high profile case has trolls-- like the Jodi Arias case and the Casey Anthony case.

If anyone has been planing false information, it is the Zahau followers in this case. Like Arias' followers, despite what the record and law enforcement shows, they STILL believe that THEY are right, and EVERYONE else is wrong. They are extremely profiecient at bashing the VICTIM - spreading lies and rumors of the most heinous kind. Even after Jodi was sentenced to life in prison, her followers STILL believe she is innocent.

Remind you of anyone?

As far as the Zahaus being ready for their day in court, I suppose you haven't looked at the docket. There are numerous discovery hearings, and the SUMMARY JUDGEMENT on October 9. No one is ready to go to court at this time - including the Zahaus, so to say that Dina is trying to hold up justice is yet another example of someone "intentionally planting false information and generating controversy where ever they can."

 

[MyBelle]

JS IMO knows way too much and is wrapped up in both deaths. One thing he is not is stupid thus he keeps his mouth shut unlike the twins. Other than a fictional narrative that was written by a Medicis writer that he put out, he has been silent and needs to be. He's a lawyer FGS. Making more of his silence about Rebecca is foolish frankly - but it makes for a good sound bite.

He's silent because the only place to make a statement that matters is the courtroom. His brother has been accused of murder and not for a minute do I believe JS is not going to support him.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I had to go back to the SDSO briefing from 11/17 to confirm what Gore said regarding Dina's whereabouts. What was the context, etc...There is no denying this statement by Gore. We don't have her on surveillance tape. They had to capture her on video at some point, especially the day before? So, what happened? Was she ever there on Tuesday or did she leave later that night?

SDSO Briefing 11/17:

DAVID GOTFREDSON/CBS8:&#8232; Was she on surveillance tape the night of the murder &#8211; er, the night of the death, of Rebecca&#8217;s death?

GORE:&#8232; [Exhales deeply &#8211; pushes back from table, sound of two thumps on table, addresses someone in the back of the room]&#8232;Um -- I will put... Who do we have back there? Um, Dave, I don't believe we have her -- did you hear the question?

DAVID GOTFREDSON/CBS8: &#8232;I understand Jonah may have been on surveillance tape but not Dina. Is that right?

GORE:&#8232; Let&#8217;s get an exact answer for you. Right. Yeah... yeah.

LATER

GORE:&#8232; I forgot what the question was.

REPORTER:&#8232; Dina on surveillance tape.

GORE:&#8232;[Peruses document for 20 seconds] We don&#8217;t have her on surveillance tape. Her position was determined through GPS triangulation on her cell phone, which put her in the vicinity of Rady's Children's Hospital.

Dina wouldn't be on surveillance tape if she didn't leave the hospital. She would only be on surveillance tape if she left the hospital.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

It does not matter whether Dina was on tape or not. She has witnesses that know she was there...like nurses and medical staff. Ann Rule said so in her book. NUMEROUS WITNESSES.

Who will the Judge believe? A witness that came forward weeks after the incident that has connections with Zahau followers, or inpartial nurses, doctors, and medical staff at Rady's? Hint - It is not the biased bicycle guy.

The Zahaus and their followers can waste their time talking about tapes at Rady's - but what they will have to prove is that Dina, Nina, and Adam were in the courtyard that night, AND in Rebecca's room, AND that they killed her.

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I'm baffled why the surveillance tapes are suddenly such a big deal. Dina wouldn't be on them if she didn't leave the hospital. Logic and common sense are factors applied by law enforcement and Judges also have a tendency to ignore arm-flapping that attempts to substitute itself for actual evidence. I have no doubt that AS is going to have the total support of JS and a legal team that will be ruthless in their defense.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

If anyone has been planing false information, it is the Zahau followers in this case. Like Arias' followers, despite what the record and law enforcement shows, they STILL believe that THEY are right, and EVERYONE else is wrong. They are extremely profiecient at bashing the VICTIM - spreading lies and rumors of the most heinous kind. Even after Jodi was sentenced to life in prison, her followers STILL believe she is innocent.

Remind you of anyone?

As far as the Zahaus being ready for their day in court, I suppose you haven't looked at the docket. There are numerous discovery hearings, and the SUMMARY JUDGEMENT on October 9. No one is ready to go to court at this time - including the Zahaus, so to say that Dina is trying to hold up justice is yet another example of someone "intentionally planting false information and generating controversy where ever they can."

I think the case against Dina will be dismissed in summary judgment but not against AS or Nina.

Dina isn't going to be on security video if she didn't leave the hospital, that's a cold, hard fact. The cell phone triangulation is circumstantial evidence that carries just as much weight as the eyewitness statements from Jonah, doctors, nurses. The Sheriff relied on it and the Judge will, too.

JMO

 

[LuckyLucy2]

If you are correct, and the case against Dina is thrown out, the case against Nina and Adam should be thrown out as well, since the concocted story the Zahaus are alledging have Dina knocking Rebecca out in the courtyard, and then giving the "order" to kill her.

No Dina, no motive - according to the Zahaus and their Attorney.

 

[*Lash*]

There is a HUGE difference between posting an opinion and intentionally posting false information.

An example of posting an opinion - It is my opinion Rebecca Zahau was murdered. It is not stated as a fact. As well, I don't know if I'm right. It is just my personal opinion.

An example of posting false information - Lisa Luber was with Dina in ICU the night Rebecca died. This is stated as if it were a fact. Missing is an "imo" or "I believe". Ultimately proven blatently false with Mrs. Luber's affidavit and Dina's recent MSM statement.

 

[*Lash*]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-2013-in-California-2&p=11586187#post11586187

LuckyLucy2

Justice 4 the Shacknais and Romano

I have heard that she WAS there, and that Dina and Lisa are VERY close.

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Not in this post. This post is not an opinion. Above it says "you have heard".

 

[justice be served]

I think the case against Dina will be dismissed in summary judgment but not against AS or Nina.

Dina isn't going to be on security video if she didn't leave the hospital, that's a cold, hard fact. The cell phone triangulation is circumstantial evidence that carries just as much weight as the eyewitness statements from Jonah, doctors, nurses. The Sheriff relied on it and the Judge will, too.

JMO

BBM. There are no eyewitness statements from Jonah, doctors, nurses. Sheriff Gore stated only one piece of truth - Dina's phone triangulation placed her in the vicinity of the hospital. He said nothing about eyewitness statements from anyone. Ann Rule's book is not evidence either.

 

[justice be served]

I'm baffled why the surveillance tapes are suddenly such a big deal. Dina wouldn't be on them if she didn't leave the hospital. Logic and common sense are factors applied by law enforcement and Judges also have a tendency to ignore arm-flapping that attempts to substitute itself for actual evidence. I have no doubt that AS is going to have the total support of JS and a legal team that will be ruthless in their defense.

JMO

The lack of surveillance has always been a big deal. Heck, it was a big deal to Gore. Just watch him squirm when he was asked the question if Dina was seen on video. It's ALWAYS been pivotal in this case don't pretend otherwise.

 

[MyBelle]

The lack of surveillance has always been a big deal. Heck, it was a big deal to Gore. Just watch him squirm when he was asked the question if Dina was seen on video. It's ALWAYS been pivotal in this case don't pretend otherwise.

I don't share your opinion it is pivotal at all. If Dina wasn't seen on the security video, it was because she didn't exit the facility. Logic and common sense must be applied. The Sheriff didn't seem to squirm to me and he did answer the question that triangulation also was used.

JMO

 

[LuckyLucy2]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-2013-in-California-2&p=11586187#post11586187

LuckyLucy2

Justice 4 the Shacknais and Romano

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Not in this post. This post is not an opinion. Above it says "you have heard".

That post was not about Lisa Luber being at the hosital with Dina. The post it was in response to was quoted. I guess you must have missed that?

It was in response to THIS quote by InParadise:

Quote Originally Posted by Inparadise View Post
Funny, if Lisa and Dina were such good friends (which they were not), then why was Dina not invited to Rachel Luber's Wedding/Reception, which was held at the Luber residence which is next door to Dina on East Caballo Drive? Jonah and his kids were there......


I did hear that Dina was at the wedding and that Lisa and Dina are still good friends. And you are right. That is not an opinion. It is something I heard - and stated as such.

 

[MyBelle]

BBM. There are no eyewitness statements from Jonah, doctors, nurses. Sheriff Gore stated only one piece of truth - Dina's phone triangulation placed her in the vicinity of the hospital. He said nothing about eyewitness statements from anyone. Ann Rule's book is not evidence either.

I didn't suggest Anne Rule's book is evidence but you might want to review the search warrants because I'm pretty sure the investigator spoke to eyewitnesses who placed Dina at the ICU.

JMO

 

[LuckyLucy2]

There is a HUGE difference between posting an opinion and intentionally posting false information.

An example of posting an opinion - It is my opinion Rebecca Zahau was murdered. It is not stated as a fact. As well, I don't know if I'm right. It is just my personal opinion.

An example of posting false information - Lisa Luber was with Dina in ICU the night Rebecca died. This is stated as if it were a fact. Missing is an "imo" or "I believe". Ultimately proven blatently false with Mrs. Luber's affidavit and Dina's recent MSM statement.

Please. The Zahau followers post that Dina viciously murdered Rebecca Zahau every single day. And it is always stated as fact, even though the SDSO and ME said otherwise.

 

[MyBelle]

There is a HUGE difference between posting an opinion and intentionally posting false information.

An example of posting an opinion - It is my opinion Rebecca Zahau was murdered. It is not stated as a fact. As well, I don't know if I'm right. It is just my personal opinion.

An example of posting false information - Lisa Luber was with Dina in ICU the night Rebecca died. This is stated as if it were a fact. Missing is an "imo" or "I believe". Ultimately proven blatently false with Mrs. Luber's affidavit and Dina's recent MSM statement.

The pettiness is derailing the thread. I have no idea who Lisa Luber is because she is not named in this lawsuit so it really doesn't matter to me whether she was at the hospital or not after Max was injured. I'm betting a number of family friends poured into Rady to support Max's parents.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

If you are correct, and the case against Dina is thrown out, the case against Nina and Adam should be thrown out as well, since the concocted story the Zahaus are alledging have Dina knocking Rebecca out in the courtyard, and then giving the "order" to kill her.

No Dina, no motive - according to the Zahaus and their Attorney.

I think it may go forward against AS and Nina because both place themselves at the property in the time frame of RZ's death. I think both want their day in court after being publicly accused of murder for so long. The defamation is astounding, imo.

 

[bourne]

The pettiness is derailing the thread. I have no idea who Lisa Luber is because she is not named in this lawsuit so it really doesn't matter to me whether she was at the hospital or not after Max was injured. I'm betting a number of family friends poured into Rady to support Max's parents.

JMO

Very surprised you have no clue who Lisa Luber is, given that Dina had SUED Mrs. Luber in court to attempt to get her to testify on her behalf in Zahau case. In fact, your amiga LuckyLucy claimed Mrs. Luber is Dina's "good friend" past and present. Plus multiple legal documents have been posted regarding Mrs. Luber's PIVOTAL affidavit which CLEARLY STATES she has NO IDEA where Dina was the critical period Rebecca was murdered because Mrs. Luber was NOWHERE in CALIFORNIA at the time. By the way the Judge DISMISSED Dina's subpoena against Mrs. Luber. So no, Dina has ZERO ALIBI for where the heck she was when Rebecca was sadistically tortured and heinously murdered.

 

[bourne]

I didn't suggest Anne Rule's book is evidence but you might want to review the search warrants because I'm pretty sure the investigator spoke to eyewitnesses who placed Dina at the ICU.

JMO

False. If this were the case -- that INVESTIGATORS had INTERVIEWED Dina's alleged 'eyewitnesses who can alibi Dina at the hospital' -- Dina herself would have openly stated this. Heck, Sheriff Gore and his disciples would have stated this plainly during the circus of a press conference he put on in 2011. Why would anyone want to HIDE the fact that investigators spoke directly with their alibi/eyewitnesses?