Wrongful Death Suit filed Nov. 13, 2013 in California, #4

[K_Z]

Thanks, Lash--- and I agree 100%. It's my opinion as well that there has been a Child Order of Protection for XZ since at least early 2013, against Dina Shacknai.

It's possible, IMO, that a COP may have been in place earlier than the KTAR interview in Feb 2013, and that was the "tipping point" where serious legal actions were imminent against Dina for violating the COP. *Someone* apparently got thru to Dina after the KTAR interview, as it's pretty clear that Dina was strongly persuaded to lay off stalking and accusing XZ publicly after that.

"Stalking", under MO law, is any unwanted behavior that is repeated. While COPs are usually granted in things like divorce proceedings, there is no question that COPs also are relevant to situations like XZ, a minor, being stalked and falsely accused by Dina Shacknai, an adult.

A current Child Order of Protection would be a very difficult, and possibly insurmountable obstacle, for someone trying multiple times over several years to obtain state licensure as a licensed psychologist. Even more disturbing if that person has previously, and in the future, wants to work with vulnerable children, IMO. I doubt anyone in that kind of situation could get liability insurance. And then there are things like background checks, etc. Kind of hard to get hired in that situation, IMO. It could also partially explain why Dina still has not taken her psychologist licensure boards, even though twice she's been finally approved to sit for the exam, after resolving the difficulties in her clinical experiences on the applications (and being rebuked by the Board for other issues, like using inflated and unapproved titles, etc). She may not want to meet the scrutiny of the full Board until a potential COP is removed from her. JMO.

Anyway, XZ clearly needed, and still needs, competent legal representation. She is still a minor. I'm glad she is well-cared for by her family. I'm glad there are a lot of miles between Dina and XZ, to keep XZ safer from Dina. I worry about what kind of vindictive behavior Dina is capable of, with regard to XZ.

Here's the MO statute for Child Orders of Protection:

https://www.courts.mo.gov/file.jsp?id=69656

 

[Betty P]

Thanks, Lash--- and I agree 100%. It's my opinion as well that there has been a Child Order of Protection for XZ since at least early 2013, against Dina Shacknai.

It's possible, IMO, that a COP may have been in place earlier than the KTAR interview in Feb 2013, and that was the "tipping point" where serious legal actions were imminent against Dina for violating the COP. *Someone* apparently got thru to Dina after the KTAR interview, as it's pretty clear that Dina was strongly persuaded to lay off stalking and accusing XZ publicly after that.

"Stalking", under MO law, is any unwanted behavior that is repeated. While COPs are usually granted in things like divorce proceedings, there is no question that COPs also are relevant to situations like XZ, a minor, being stalked and falsely accused by Dina Shacknai, an adult.

A current Child Order of Protection would be a very difficult, and possibly insurmountable obstacle, for someone trying multiple times over several years to obtain state licensure as a licensed psychologist. Even more disturbing if that person has previously, and in the future, wants to work with vulnerable children, IMO. I doubt anyone in that kind of situation could get liability insurance. And then there are things like background checks, etc. Kind of hard to get hired in that situation, IMO. It could also partially explain why Dina still has not taken her psychologist licensure boards, even though twice she's been finally approved to sit for the exam, after resolving the difficulties in her clinical experiences on the applications (and being rebuked by the Board for other issues, like using inflated and unapproved titles, etc). She may not want to meet the scrutiny of the full Board until a potential COP is removed from her. JMO.

Anyway, XZ clearly needed, and still needs, competent legal representation. She is still a minor. I'm glad she is well-cared for by her family. I'm glad there are a lot of miles between Dina and XZ, to keep XZ safer from Dina. I worry about what kind of vindictive behavior Dina is capable of, with regard to XZ.

Here's the MO statute for Child Orders of Protection:

https://www.courts.mo.gov/file.jsp?id=69656

All the more reason why it's so bizarre that Dina would want to call attention in court to her threatening behavior against XZ.

Why would she want to call the judge and jury's attention to the fact that a COP has been filed against her to protect XZ, a minor child?

Is she promoting the delusional belief that she can turn this legal proceeding into a trial accusing XZ of murdering her son? If she believes that, why hasn't she brought her own wrongful death lawsuit? Most likely because she knows it would be thrown out by a judge, like her other lawsuits.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

:rumor: There has been no order of protection filed against Dina Shacknai.

Such talk is just more bashing and rumor mongering of a sweet and loving mother who lost her only child to the neglignece of Rebecca Zahau.

Dina has never stalked or harrassed XZ. To get a COP, one would need evidence (there's that pesky word again!), and since Dina has never, ever bothered XZ, that would pretty much be impossible.

If anyone needs an order of protection it is Dina - against Solo Zahau and some of the Zahau followers who seem to carry an obsessive hatred for a Mother - who was at the hospital with her dying 6-year old boy when Rebecca Zahau committed suicide instead of facing Child Protecttive Services and explaining what really happened to little Maxie.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Was XZ listening to the 911 call so she could remember exactly when Rebecca brought Ocean in so he could take the blame for Maxie's fall? Was she trying to remember exactly when Rebecca was putting the scooter on Max, and taking down the chandelier?

XZ is whisked out of town almost immediately after Max's accident, hires a lawyer, and reviews the 911 tape. Logic says thats what a guilty person would do.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

IMO, Dina's attorney is asking Doug about who talked to the media because his law firm is planning to file a libel and defamation of character suit against Mary Zahau after this case is thrown out of court in February. And I think that would be easily won.

 

[coastal]

IMO, Dina's attorney is asking Doug about who talked to the media because his law firm is planning to file a libel and defamation of character suit against Mary Zahau after this case is thrown out of court in February. And I think that would be easily won.

Not satisfied with re-writing history, now you also predict the future? SMH

 

[screecher]

Was XZ listening to the 911 call so she could remember exactly when Rebecca brought Ocean in so he could take the blame for Maxie's fall? Was she trying to remember exactly when Rebecca was putting the scooter on Max, and taking down the chandelier?

XZ is whisked out of town almost immediately after Max's accident, hires a lawyer, and reviews the 911 tape. Logic says thats what a guilty person would do.

And just exactly what are you, lulu, saying x is guilty of? [emoji33]

 

[LuckyLucy2]

^ Only Rebecca and XZ know that, but I am convinced one or both were involved in Max's "accident" - whether by accident or on purpose.

That's the only logical reason that XZ would be sent home so quickly, and then Rebecca would commit suicide less than 12 hours later to avoid the questions of Child Protective Services.

 

[screecher]

IMO, Dina's attorney is asking Doug about who talked to the media because his law firm is planning to file a libel and defamation of character suit against Mary Zahau after this case is thrown out of court in February. And I think that would be easily won.

Huh? [emoji38]

Just to keep us on topic - this thread is about the $10 Million Wrongful Death Suit the Zahaus filed against Adam and Dina Shacknai, and Nina Romano - not about the case Dina filed against Jonah.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Not satisfied with re-writing history, now you also predict the future? SMH

The only people rewriting history are the ones that say Rebecca was murdered when it was proven by forensic evidence that she committed suicide.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Huh? [emoji38]

I don't understand the point you were trying to make. Huh?

 

[screecher]

My point being....

"Just to keep us on topic - this thread is about the $10 Million Wrongful Death Suit the Zahaus filed against Adam and Dina Shacknai, and Nina Romano - not about the case Dina filed against Jonah."....from your own speedy fingertips.

Not a possible lawsuit against Mary.

If and when that occurs, it would make sense to ask those questions then. Plain and simple logic.

 

[screecher]

"Only Rebecca and XZ know that, but I am convinced one or both were involved in Max's "accident" - whether by accident or on purpose."....

Another post that has nada to do with this WDS lawsuit.

Going against your own admonition in post #206. tsk, tsk.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

My point being....

"Just to keep us on topic - this thread is about the $10 Million Wrongful Death Suit the Zahaus filed against Adam and Dina Shacknai, and Nina Romano - not about the case Dina filed against Jonah."....from your own speedy fingertips.

Not a possible lawsuit against Mary.

If and when that occurs, it would make sense to ask those questions then. Plain and simple logic.

But this is about the lawsuit, screecher. It is about the questions that Dina's attorney is asking of one of the plantiffs (Mary Zahau) husband, Doug Loehner. You may want to reread those questions.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

"Only Rebecca and XZ know that, but I am convinced one or both were involved in Max's "accident" - whether by accident or on purpose."....

Another post that has nada to do with this WDS lawsuit.

Going against your own admonition in post #206. tsk, tsk.

You must have forgotten that YOU asked that question in post #227?

Since Max's accident is what the Zahaus are using as motive for Rebecca's "murder" (even though it was ruled a suicide), it is an intregal part of the lawsuit.

 

[*Lash*]

All the more reason why it's so bizarre that Dina would want to call attention in court to her threatening behavior against XZ.

Why would she want to call the judge and jury's attention to the fact that a COP has been filed against her to protect XZ, a minor child?

Is she promoting the delusional belief that she can turn this legal proceeding into a trial accusing XZ of murdering her son? If she believes that, why hasn't she brought her own wrongful death lawsuit? Most likely because she knows it would be thrown out by a judge, like her other lawsuits.

Completely agree. It is bizarre that Dina would purposely draw attention in court to her threatening behavior of XZ. I believe it is a strategic move. Possibly an attempt by Dina's attorneys to open the window to enter evidence that would otherwise be ruled irrelevant. In my opinion, if this case goes to trial, Dina intends on using Max's death as her defense.

 

[1&2&3]

It is still going on! Dina's grandstanding and stalling.

This judge has to be a very patient and tolerant judge. He certainly doesn't want this case appealed due to Dina not being heard. But in all fairness, who carries on like she has except a guilty person, a person who sees her ship sinking? She has nothing to lose at this point, so pull out all the cards, blame everyone around her, and as she does her foolish maneuvering, she only points the guilty finger straighter to herself. A jury will see through her in a minute!

 

[*Lash*]

IMO, Dina's attorney is asking Doug about who talked to the media because his law firm is planning to file a libel and defamation of character suit against Mary Zahau after this case is thrown out of court in February. And I think that would be easily won.

Fortunately, it works both ways. For example, Dina defaming a minor by publicly accusing them of homicide.

ETA - If history is truly a prediction of the future, I doubt Dina would sue any member of the Zahau family. Another example, Dina filed a WDS in Max's death against Jonah not Rebecca's estate nor XZ. She could have, but she did not. In my opinion, because the means would do not justify the end result. Dina's supporters have opined the Zahau's are poor. Nothing for Dina to gain, not worth the legal expense she would accrue. JMO.

 

[K_Z]

Completely agree. It is bizarre that Dina would purposely draw attention in court to her threatening behavior of XZ. I believe it is a strategic move. Possibly an attempt by Dina's attorneys to open the window to enter evidence that would otherwise be ruled irrelevant. In my opinion, if this case goes to trial, Dina intends on using Max's death as her defense.

BBM.

I agree, Lash—if it goes to trial, Dina will use Max’s death as a defense. Her delusional thinking and vindictiveness are so firmly entrenched that she really can’t help herself, IMO. And that’s going to come across to the jury as the “cell block tango defense” we’ve discussed here before—that “she (RZ) had it coming”. Dina will not, IMO, be viewed by a jury as a "nice" or sympathetic defendant. Her lawyers need to keep her out of court, and off the witness stand, at all costs, if they can, IMO.

We definitely know part of Dina’s defense plan is to bash and harangue and accuse pretty much every member of the Zahau family of any ridiculous or hateful thing she can think up or fabricate that could possibly make them look bad or suspicious.

I think Dina will also use the “pity me, I’m a bitter ex-wife” defense, too—as in, “Jonah left ME for HER”, etc., etc. But that strategy just makes her look vindictive and guilty, too. Nasty, dishonest defense tactics when there are no facts to offer as a defense, IMO.

IMO, I think we’re going to abruptly find out that Adam is no longer a part of the lawsuit very soon—perhaps in the early part of the new year, or the spring. I think there is behind the scenes negotiating to settle his part, and we won’t hear anything at all until it’s a done deal. Just my opinion. If/ when that happens, Dina will really be pi$$ed, and re-double her efforts to smear the Zahaus. Nina is in it till the end, until whatever conclusion happens, IMO. She has no money, no career or professional reputation, and is loyal to her twin sister. Nothing really for her to lose. She’ll march in place on the sidelines till it’s over, IMO.

 

[Frigga]

Really, its all very sad and tragic. I have a cousin who lost a child, I've seen up close what it can do to a mother. I want to have sympathy for Dina- I truly do- but she has proven herself rage filled and vindictive. I understand the rage, anger is a necessary part of the grief process but the vindictive nature towards another child makes no logical sense to me- it makes the rage seem different then just part of the process.

I don't know quite how to put it into words properly but its as if the rage came before... is not associated with the death of her son- her sons death added fuel to it but its old, ancient rage. There is something dangerous to it. My cousins anger was different it was full of sadness and turned inward... it was withdrawn, shocking but new.

If she comes off this way to a jury- things will not go well for her- but maybe thats the way its supposed to be. I would understand a mother going insane for a moment in time, I could find compassion for lashing out if it was honest, truthful and admitted. This was not that... this is from way before Max ever came into being.

Why didn't she file a WDS against Rebecca's estate if only to get to the truth? Could it really be about money? Rage from a parent of a dead child should be all about justice and finding the truth. I don't understand this.