Wrongful Death Suit filed Nov. 13, 2013 in California, #5

[justice be served]

KZ, thank you for continuously keeping everyone updated with links.
Does anyone know what "is informed and believes" legally means?

"Informed and believes" means that they believe SDSO. LOL.

I can't wait for the trial to bring out that even the paramedics could not perform adequately CPR on poor Max because of his devastating injuries. This was all documented in the medical record so, Item 3, is bogus.

No 5/6, stating that Rebecca accessed her voice mail from Jonah - but there was no record of it at all. Can't wait for that to come out, too.

No 8, "Rebecca Zahau hopped out onto the balcony". One of my favorites. Hands tied behind her (some say it was actually a hog-tie) and legs bound together and she "hopped out". Really?

No. 9, "No sign of a physical struggle"........no, wrong. A chair was overturned. Also, she had four separate fractures on her head and scratches all over her body. Not to mention very dirty feet as though she was running in dirt.

Let the trial begin and if this is all the defense has, good luck.

 

[screecher]

Nevermind the two suspected and I believe (imo) female murderers have no alibi
lol

 

[justice be served]

It occurs to me that mock jury sampling responses are reportedly done on WS by attorneys looking to test the waters for their cases.

Boy, the responses are overwhelmingly for murder, not suicide, on this forum and it's been that way from day one. What does that tell you? I believe that a jury trial will finally bring justice to Rebecca and hopefully SDSO takes it from there for some real justice against the defendants.

 

[justice be served]

Double post, sorry.

 

[Waitaminute]

Holy cow, batman, no wonder someone had posted early on that Maxie was 'basically brain dead'. cuz they knew...

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Ah yes, the FBI - thanks for the reminder. FBI, the former employer of Sheriff Gore. Let me guess who brought them in - IMO that would be cronies of the family of Max.

Google Sheriff Gore and you'll come up with the Ruby Ridge case (for which he took the Fifth at trial) and the 9/11 pilots who trained in San Diego. The latest on the San Diego fiasco is that the FBI (under Gore) was recruiting these pilots to be FBI insiders - all of you should read about the missing 28 pages from the final 9/11 Special Report.

Ya, Gore is a doozie. So glad you brought that up. And reportedly Jonah's buddy by rumor.

Yes, there was a cover-up and pay off that included Gore, all the detectives FBI, the CPO, all of the detectives of the SDSO, and all of the crime lab personel (since all of their findings of the physical evidence showed Rebecca was the only one there). That is some conspiracy!

Ridiculous. :giggle:

Most people beleive that Law Enforcement works hard, and takes pride in their jobs - because they do. If the Zahaus use the "Conspiracy Theory" in court - they will look like the desperate people they are.

Maybe they should use Ed Peterson, the Numerologist and his crazy websites, and Bonnie Vent, the psychic, and Joe Liska, the writer of the crazy WarPony blog as experts?

:lol:

 

[LuckyLucy2]

It occurs to me that mock jury sampling responses are reportedly done on WS by attorneys looking to test the waters for their cases.

Boy, the responses are overwhelmingly for murder, not suicide, on this forum and it's been that way from day one. What does that tell you? I believe that a jury trial will finally bring justice to Rebecca and hopefully SDSO takes it from there for some real justice against the defendants.

It tells you that many people made up their minds the first day that Rebecca was found and they were not going to change their minds - no matter what the physical evidence said.

Read the early comments. They are very telling.

 

[Frigga]

Yes, there was a cover-up and pay off that included Gore, all the detectives FBI, the CPO, all of the detectives of the SDSO, and all of the crime lab personel (since all of their findings of the physical evidence showed Rebecca was the only one there). That is some conspiracy!

Ridiculous. :giggle:

Most people beleive that Law Enforcement works hard, and takes pride in their jobs - because they do. If the Zahaus use the "Conspiracy Theory" in court - they will look like the desperate people they are.

Maybe they should use Ed Peterson, the Numerologist and his crazy websites, and Bonnie Vent, the psychic, and Joe Liska, the writer of the crazy WarPony blog as experts?

:lol:

Maybe you should watch the video posted in the other thread because Dina alludes to or outright accuses SDSO of the very things you mock in your post- Every. SIngle. Thing.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

New entry today on the SD ROA, #341, which is 12 pages:



Here is the document; will send to Bessie to post in docs. Link will expire in a few hours.

https://roa.sdcourt.ca.gov/roa/face...CTL_ROA-341_04-01-16_Answer_1460414907543.pdf


Well, now....isn't THAT interesting??

But WAIT!! Nina and Dina have said they thought Max was going to survive on day 2, right? He just needed a tutor? Remember that? But now they say they knew all along he was going to die? And Rebecca knew that, too???

Man, what a hot mess this is.

No where in that does it say when Nina and Dina were told that Max was not going to survive. You are just reading into it what you want to. But Nina is right on about Rebecca and her suicide.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Maybe you should watch the video posted in the other thread because Dina alludes to or outright accuses SDSO of the very things you mock in your post- Every. SIngle. Thing.

Dina never mentions GS and ES. Not. One. Time.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Well, well, well. THIS is certainly new information about Rebecca's suicide:

B6. This answering Defendant is informed and believes and thereon alleges that with

the belief that Maxfield was unlikely survive and having accessed a voice mail message left by

Jonah Shacknai in the early hours of July 13, 2011, Rebecca Zahau proceeded to find a water sport

style rope at the 1043 Ocean Boulevard house which she cut into three pieces. She fashioned two

of the pieces into ankle and wrist bindings that were lose and could easily be slipped into. She

tied the other, longer length of rope using a simple slip loop to one of the legs and frame of the

bed in the small bedroom adjacent to the balcony over which she hung herself. Defendant is

further informed that the Sheriffs Department noted the presence of a book on rope binding

practices in the room which Rebecca Zahau used as an office, the same room from where she hung

herself.

BOOM.

 

[Waitaminute]

don't forget 'Rebecca leaned over the railing' but only disturbed an inch or so of dust on the railing....

"Informed and believes" means that they believe SDSO. LOL.

I can't wait for the trial to bring out that even the paramedics could not perform adequately CPR on poor Max because of his devastating injuries. This was all documented in the medical record so, Item 3, is bogus.

No 5/6, stating that Rebecca accessed her voice mail from Jonah - but there was no record of it at all. Can't wait for that to come out, too.

No 8, "Rebecca Zahau hopped out onto the balcony". One of my favorites. Hands tied behind her (some say it was actually a hog-tie) and legs bound together and she "hopped out". Really?

No. 9, "No sign of a physical struggle"........no, wrong. A chair was overturned. Also, she had four separate fractures on her head and scratches all over her body. Not to mention very dirty feet as though she was running in dirt.

Let the trial begin and if this is all the defense has, good luck.

 

[BBL]

Where is this mysterious book listed in the search warrant? Evidence? Was it tested for fingerprints? Magic!

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Also new in Nina's SAC:

This answering Defendant is informed and believes and thereon alleges

that plaintiffs have fabricated the allegations against this answering Defendant and otherwise

intentionally twisted available facts and evidence either out of malicious motives to harm this

answering Defendant or out of an unwillingness to accept the reality that Rebecca Zahau voluntarily decided to take her

own life because of extreme guilt over the then indicated impending death of Johah Shacicriai's son, Maxfield.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

don't forget 'Rebecca leaned over the railing' but only disturbed an inch or so of dust on the railing....

There was an 11" disturbance where Rebecca's stomach went over and a 1" disturbance for the rope. Rebecca's waist was probably about 24" around, so the 11" is right on where she went over on her stomach.

 

[Frigga]

Dina never mentions GS and ES. Not. One. Time.

That has not one thing to do with your post I was quoting from. Not one thing.

Upside down world.

 

[CricketFern]

It occurs to me that mock jury sampling responses are reportedly done on WS by attorneys looking to test the waters for their cases.

Boy, the responses are overwhelmingly for murder, not suicide, on this forum and it's been that way from day one. What does that tell you? I believe that a jury trial will finally bring justice to Rebecca and hopefully SDSO takes it from there for some real justice against the defendants.

I have very limited legal experience so can someone tell me what the legal standard is in a WDS? Is it "beyond a reasonable doubt" or something else?

Thanks

 

[Frigga]

No, that is criminal- it is not beyond a reasonable doubt in a civil case.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Where is this mysterious book listed in the search warrant? Evidence? Was it tested for fingerprints? Magic!

There were over 130 items taken into evidence. We ony have the search warrants from the first day.

I bet it was Rebecca's book on Shibari - since Shabari is mentioned in Ann Rules's book. I'm sure the jury would love to see THAT!

 

[K_Z]

I have very limited legal experience so can someone tell me what the legal standard is in a WDS? Is it "beyond a reasonable doubt" or something else?

Thanks

"Preponderance of the evidence." Some interpret that as 51%, or more. I think it's 7 out of 12 jurors must vote together to carry the decision.

preponderance of the evidence
n. the greater weight of the evidence required in a civil (non-criminal) lawsuit for the trier of fact (jury or judge without a jury) to decide in favor of one side or the other. This preponderance is based on the more convincing evidence and its probable truth or accuracy, and not on the amount of evidence. Thus, one clearly knowledgeable witness may provide a preponderance of evidence over a dozen witnesses with hazy testimony, or a signed agreement with definite terms may outweigh opinions or speculation about what the parties intended. Preponderance of the evidence is required in a civil case and is contrasted with "beyond a reasonable doubt," which is the more severe test of evidence required to convict in a criminal trial. No matter what the definition stated in various legal opinions, the meaning is somewhat subjective.

Read more: http://dictionary.law.com/default.aspx?selected=1586#ixzz45ZeoS1Rg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_burden_of_proof

Criminal is "BARD"-- beyond a reasonable doubt. Much, much higher.