Wrongful Death Suit filed Nov. 13, 2013 in California

[OC Sunshine]

I have been here since the beginning ...and will be here until the end, wanting and expecting the right thing be done in this investigation. It feels good to live my life like that and I want that for others too. The depth that they mislead us, purposefully not investigating the crime scene, their tricky wording etc. Just eats at me. What they were strategically willing and not willing to do in this investigation is scary and runs deep. It is hard to believe that it's even true.

I so appreciate everyone's posts, research, demonstrations, explanations, insights, etc. You are good people trying to correct an obvious wrong. I'll be here until all the cards are laid out on the table.

 

[*Lash*]

Can you post a link that proves Max saw any violence? Or that any violence really occured?

So far, I've only been given posts to "allegations". Do you have any proof you ca give me at all? Any?

TIA

Hi LuckyLucy2, here is a link regarding Maxie being a witness to their domestic violence.

On Sept. 13, 2008, Jonah Shacknai reported to police that Dina attempted to choke him and that his attack-trained female German Shepherd became excited and came between the two. He blamed his wife’s behavior on prescription medications and alcohol, according to a supplemental report.

Dina called the same night, reporting a dog attack. On the following day, she told police the dog had injured her before while Jonah “makes little to no effort to stop the dog,” according to a report.

Dina also submitted a two-page letter, describing Jonah as temperamental. She said the incident began over a disagreement with their child’s soiled bedding and that Jonah cursed at her in front of their child.

Source: http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Details-Shed-on-Shacknai-Divorce.html#ixzz3CLIAVITW

 

[Carioca]

Hi Cherry,
Here is the citation, complaint dismissed by the court. By the date (5/6/2009) the incident occurred before RZ and JS met.
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<mod snip> yes there is a difference between receiving a citation for a traffic incident and for shoplifting. Last I checked, shoplifting has yet to result in bodily injury to a third party.

who has the lnk plz to her arrest affidavits? I nd to see proof of any criminal record and was this before jonah or way before she even met him? thanx

 

[Ausgirl]

Thanks for the warm thread welcomes. Can't recall if I've posted on this section of the case threads before, though I've been following this case for a long time. To make my position (currently) plain, I do think there was some level of culpability in Max's death from *somebody* in the house that day. Through years of sleuthing very cold cases in which things just somehow don't 'add up', it's my opinion that where things don't make sense, there's usually a guilty person who's made it their business to make it not make sense. If that makes sense..

I have no hsrd opinion on whether it was Rebecca at fault or not. And don't really wish to contribute to derailing this thread, so won't be discussing it further here... but that's where I sit, on that side of the case.

While I make it my business to genuinely consider all angles of a case and often will play devil's advocate to help me think things through, I have never once truly thought Rebecca committed suicide. From the get-go, the whole thing looked staged and once more, too many things do not add up... a guilty hand at play, this suggests to me, as mentioned above. Too elaborate. Too fiddly, too weird and difficult, the whole crime scenario smells of murder staged to look like suicide. And a murder based in sheer rage, at that. In fact, I remain shocked it was ever treated as a suicide, and I have trouble understanding how anyone can look at it, and NOT see a staged crime scene. Not that I get mad at people for having a different opinion. It just seems very obviously a murder, and I can't see it any other way, even when I try. It doesn't make sense as a suicide. It just does not. Plus hello, gigantic parade float of a motive. Incredibly strong motive.

In any case, it's a horrible tragedy for all concerned. Two beautiful people lost forever, and two grieving families with no clear answers. Sometimes I feel, in a case with no tidy bow tied around the facts, that the family might have a chance to come to peace anyway, eventually. But this case, with two deaths and all the finger pointing, and such ill feeling as well as no clear truths, seems to me the kind which will remain 'restless' for a very long time to come. Which is a long way of saying, I hope both families can find their peace sooner rather than later, as the truths very likely will never become crystal clear.

Finally, thanks very much to those who diligently keep up with case info. Much appreciated. :hug:

 

[fran]

:modstop:


:naughty:

Enough of the arguing and bickering.

Stop the sarcastic remarks.

Agree to disagree and move on

Do NOT make-up stuff about any of the players in this sad case. Use proven incidents, ie in MSM and or court documents.

I've already removed several posts. So if your post is gone, you are one of the posters I'm speaking to.

IF this behavior continues, we may consider closing the thread until something new happens.

It's up to you.

fran

 

[screecher]

Does anyone else want to get off the merry-go-round of Rebecca's one time indiscretion of shoplifting? I would prefer to discuss the validity and direction of her wrongful death suit... oh, and the fact that she was brutally assaulted and murdered.

Yeah. I do. The shoplifting being brought into this thread inane, imo. Deflection. Desperation.

Depositions is what I'm looking forward to. I'm hoping the question 'why was Angela T., the original lead detective, removed from the (so called) investigation?'

 

[LuckyLucy2]

And the duct tape used to bind her legs to the chair

Gilgamesh, do you have proof that duct tape was used to bind her legs to the chair?

According to the autopsy report, there were only two tiny pieces of tape residue on her left shin, and she also healing scabs on the left knee/shin.

I believe it is much more likely due to size and location that the residue was from bandaids and not from duct tape.

The residue was also in a place that would not make sense to duct tape someone, according to SDSO.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

Hi LuckyLucy2, here is a link regarding Maxie being a witness to their domestic violence.

So people are saying Dina is responsible for Max seeing violence in their home "for years" because (allegedly) "JONAH cursed at her in front of their child"? How is that Dina's fault?

 

[Jade]

Yeah. I do. The shoplifting being brought into this thread inane, imo. Deflection. Desperation.

snipped BBM

Desperation how?

I have no agenda or theory.

Merely corrected an erroneous statement with a factual link

So I’m not welcome here because I’m boring preferring facts over sensationalism?

Interesting the hysterical over defending RZ

I really thought MS’s injuries and death were accidental but I'm now hearing what some are saying- RZ caused MS injuries that led to his death and someone paid her back

Thereby agreeing with DS that someone in the mansion, RZ or X, did harm to MS that resulted in his death.

I’ll look forward to seeing this play out in court and hope to find out why RZ was not so upset about MS although it seems several already think they know.



imo

 

[time]

So people are saying Dina is responsible for Max seeing violence in their home "for years" because (allegedly) "JONAH cursed at her in front of their child"? How is that Dina's fault?

I am the people talking about it. I don't think I said he saw violence, I think I said he was in that situation for half his life, 3 years. Honestly, if they called police 2-3 times over abuse making claims of all kinds of verbal abuse and violence, then you can be pretty darn sure it happened more than that. And, you can be pretty sure that the household was dysfunctional disturbed during that time period, whether it was all the time or not. Unhappy parents who are that abusive/maladjusted to each other don't promote a stable, safe environment.

 

[LuckyLucy2]

I am the people talking about it. I don't think I said he saw violence, I think I said he was in that situation for half his life, 3 years. Honestly, if they called police 2-3 times over abuse making claims of all kinds of verbal abuse and violence, then you can be pretty darn sure it happened more than that. And, you can be pretty sure that the household was dysfunctional disturbed during that time period, whether it was all the time or not. Unhappy parents who are that abusive/maladjusted to each other don't promote a stable, safe environment.

And it is also possible that Jonah and Dina were careful to NOT argue in front of Max, hence, only the ONE incident where Jonah cursed in front of Maxie, and that could be why Dina called the police that night - because she DID NOT want Max to witness any arguing, correct?

IMO, they seemed to cooperate with each other where Max was concerned. So we can speculate all we want, but we still only have those TWO police visits to the house and no arrests.

 

[kittychi]

Desperation how?

I have no agenda or theory.

Merely corrected an erroneous statement with a factual link

So I’m not welcome here because I’m boring preferring facts over sensationalism?

Interesting the hysterical over defending RZ

I really thought MS’s injuries and death were accidental but I'm now hearing what some are saying- RZ caused MS injuries that led to his death and someone paid her back

Thereby agreeing with DS that someone in the mansion, RZ or X, did harm to MS that resulted in his death.

I’ll look forward to seeing this play out in court and hope to find out why RZ was not so upset about MS although it seems several already think they know.

imo

BBM1: People have been saying that for a long time...someone thinks RZ caused MS injuries, but there is NO PROOF at all. Never has been.

BBM2: That is an unbelievable statement. Where on earth do you get that she "was not so upset?" She was very upset.

You can't have it both ways...1) that she was "not so upset" or 2) she was so upset that she killed herself.

IMO she was murdered because someone blamed her for his death. It was inferred for quite awhile that since he was "on her watch" it was her fault that he got hurt. Then the narrative changed to she caused his death, DS accusing Rebecca of murdering her son.

Who benefits from that? Maxi is gone. Rebecca is gone. IMO The point was to distract from her own guilt.

 

[inthedark14]

And it is also possible that Jonah and Dina were careful to NOT argue in front of Max, hence, only the ONE incident where Jonah cursed in front of Maxie, and that could be why Dina called the police that night - because she DID NOT want Max to witness any arguing, correct?

IMO, they seemed to cooperate with each other where Max was concerned. So we can speculate all we want, but we still only have those TWO police visits to the house and no arrests.

So a little more poking around the webz and I found this article from UT San Diego http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2011/jul/18/death-of-shacknai-boy-sparks-investigation/

Shacknai and his former wife, Dina, leveled claims and counterclaims of physical violence and verbal abuse against each other when they were divorcing in 2008 and 2009, according to reports from the Paradise Valley Police Department. He also went to police in 2007 about a dispute with her

According to the police report, Dina told an officer that her husband had never physically struck her

So now we're up to three years that incidents that are reported in MSM 2007, 2008 & 2009. We don't know how many incidents or the dates of said incidents. We don't know where MS was during these incidents that caused LE to come to the S home. We know from earlier links that DS told LE that JS swore in front of the kiddo. I truly hope the poor little guy didn't see any of what his parents were doing during that time frame.

It's all really moot at this point though.

The point is that there was a history of violence in the Shacknai household. RZ had no such history of violence. As we all know, SDSO stated RZ's death was a violent death.

ALWAYS MOO

 

[Frigga]

Poor Max... poor Rebecca.

I hope Rebecca receives the justice she deserves.

Looking forward to the depositions, as well. I think a lot will be revealed, and I think most of us won't be surprised!

 

[LuckyLucy2]

We have established that there were only THREE incidents:

The police went to Dina and Jonah's home ONCE in 2007 and ONCE in 2008. Jonah went to the station ONCE in 2007 to file a report. Only THREE reports were filed during their contentious divorce.

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...shacknai-domestic-fights-parents-max-shacknai

The police obviously did NOT think there was VIOLENCE, or they WOULD HAVE made an ARREST.

 

[inthedark14]

Gosh, I'm sorry, in the post I quoted from you, TWO was stated. I just wanted to clarify. eace:

So as to no actual violence...well....

From http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2011/jul/18/death-of-shacknai-boy-sparks-investigation/

Dina tried to yank his car keys out of the ignition while repeatedly yelling, &#8220;You cannot leave me!&#8221;

^^^Sounds pretty VIOLENT to me, JMO

Jonah Shacknai told police that Dina attempted to choke him

^^^ Sounds VERY VIOLENT to me as well, MOO

So from my understanding and please do not infer that this is from personal experiences, but I have followed quite a few cases here on WS, if LE is called to a home due to a domestic complaint the complaining parties can choose not to file charges against each other. I'm not certain what the specific laws are in AZ where these incidents took place. I have mentioned before that we see this same pattern of abuse over and over again, and in almost all cases, LE has previous knowledge of the couple/family prior to something very horrible happening. Yet no charges were ever filed. :dunno: :thud:

ALWAYS MOO

 

[LuckyLucy2]

In Dina and Jonah's case, they had the had the self-restraint to divorce without "something very horrible happening". And they went on to raise Max in what seeed to be a very amicable and loving arrangement. Until Max had that terrible accident and Rebecca Zahau comitted suicide less than 40 hours later - taking the details of Max's accident with her. She did it to avoid answering more questions, IMO.

That is ONE problem with the Zahaus' civil case and why I believe it will be thrown out of court in November. Too many people in San Diego and Coronado believe the SDSO's deterrmination of suicide was correct, and believe the greater mystery is what really happened to little Max.

 

[Frigga]

In Dina and Jonah's case, they had the had the self-restraintto divorce without "something very horrible happening". And they went on to raise Max in what seeed to be a very amicable and loving arrangement. Until Max had that terrible accident and Rebecca Zahau comitted suicide less than 40 hours later - taking the details of Max's accident with her. She did it to avoid answering more questions, IMO.

That is the problem with the Zahaus' civil cas and why I believe it will be thrown out of court in November. Too many people in San Diego and Coronado believe the SDSO,s deterrmination of suicde was correct, and believe the greater mystery is what really happened to little Max.

BBM- I think that is actually backwards.

I live in Southern California, while not San Diego I have family in Pacific Beach, Ocean Beach, Carlsbad, Encinitas, Escondido and San Marcos, as well as down town San Diego proper.

Every single one of them (and several locations have several family members each) find the accident that occurred with Max, highly probably just that- an accident. We have several boy- boys in Max's age group- who play sports, surf, swim, soccer, basketball, football and rock climb- they are wild, rambunctious, full of energy and do not always make the wisest decisions in their play activities. If, at anytime any one of them were left unsupervised, they could very well make a similar fatal mistake to ride a scooter or skateboard upstairs, we have discussed this, as a family on many occasions. It makes perfect, tragic sense, to all of us, and we admonish the children (girls included) because of this tragedy.

On the other hand Rebecca's circumstance does not resemble a suicide to ANY OF US- at all. This has been discussed by all of us- ad nauseum.

So- to your BBM quote, I completely disagree and couldn't actually disagree more.

 

[inthedark14]

In Dina and Jonah's case, they had the had the self-restraintto divorce without "something very horrible happening". And they went on to raise Max in what seeed to be a very amicable and loving arrangement. Until Max had that terrible accident and Rebecca Zahau comitted suicide less than 40 hours later - taking the details of Max's accident with her. She did it to avoid answering more questions, IMO.

That is the problem with the Zahaus' civil cas and why I believe it will be thrown out of court in November. Too many people in San Diego and Coronado believe the SDSO,s deterrmination of suicde was correct, and believe the greater mystery is what really happened to little Max.

Well they didn't have the self restraint to divorce before those awful things happened. As to how they raised MS after that, well, we just don't know do we? All we know is that JS had time with his son, JS was with RZ and DS decided she needed to know everything about RZ and didn't like her one bit. I wonder what DS would have thought if RZ had run a background check on her? I imagine if RZ had, RZ would have been quite disturbed. Of course one would hope that JS had made her aware of the situation. Though since she stated in the presence of LE "Dina is going to kill me" perhaps she was well aware of the turbulent and violent history involved in her boyfriend's previous marriage.

There is no proof whatsoever that RZ harmed MS or had any further information about his accident to provide. There is no proof whatsoever that RZ was so despondent over the accident that she would take her own life. There is no proof whatsoever of a lot of things in this case. The biggest, IMVHO is that RZ committed suicide. There IS however, proof that NR was at Speckles that night. NO whatsoever proof that DS was where she said she was.

I suppose we will have to wait until the lawsuit is heard...after of course the Z's federal lawsuit against SDSO comes before a judge so they can obtain the records and the property of their family member whose death was ruled a suicide by SDSO and the agency would have no reason whatsoever to withhold any and all evidence, possessions and information on the case.

I'm looking forward to it. I'm sure you are too, and that's great! We just have very different outcomes in mind. :seeya:

ALWAYS MOO

 

[Frigga]

SDSO should welcome the resolution- right? Truth and justice is what we should ALL be seeking. I know I am, whatever the outcome, that is what I seek.