You can't do what you don't know.....

[JMO8778]

My theory on the movie lines is it made the note so Boulder. By that I mean, Boulder is not your typical all American city. It was the home of the Rainbow hippies in the 60's and 70's with a lot of eccentrics and various subcultures still around in the 90's. It became a town of those that have, and those that don't....with not much of a middle class. There were a lot of transcients on University Hill--they had goten pushed out of Pearl Street. This new crop were not the peace-loving hippies of the past. Drug use, violent assaults, and burglaries were increasing. Even Steve Thomas remarked on that, in a Daily Camera article prior to the murder. The Ramseys lived right in the middle of a variety of people--not in a gated community.

I think the perp(s) had a great time coming up with the movie line note, and thought they were being clever. I don't think it was thought up on the spot....but some thought had been put into it before......wouldn't surprise me that it was written out beforehand, and then the last part adlibbed, and rewritten because they had the time. There were a couple places on the note left, where it looked like the note was copied and the perp lost his/her place. ie: crossoff of delivery and pickup inserted. Also, a word was inserted with an arrow--think it was "not."

yes,the note was copied and Patsy admitted writing the previous draft that was left behind.

and a real perp would likely not make mistakes such as crossing out words, etc.:


http://www.statementanalysis.com/ramseynote/

 

[Ames]

yes,the note was copied and Patsy admitted writing the previous draft that was left behind.

and a real perp would likely not make mistakes such as crossing out words, etc.:


http://www.statementanalysis.com/ramseynote/

A real perp wouldn't have made it almost three pages long, either. The longest rn in history. Why in the world would you leave a three page RN anyway...if the person that you kidnapped...was dead, in the basement of the house that you left the RN in? Makes absolutely no sense. Another thing, even though she was dead...a real kidnapper would have still taken her body with them, and would have STILL gotten the money. Then after getting the bag of money...they could say..."Oops...we lied. She's dead. Thanks for the money." I mean, IF it had of been a REAL kidnapping. NOT, wipe her down, change her panties, and wrap her in a blanket...like a papoose, and leave her body in the basement...and the RN on the stairs.

 

[Maikai]

Actually it was the word NO that was written over the other people in the picture faces..then there was John's picture, with a red heart drawn around it, with the word Yes, written above it. I have read that Patsy had a habit of drawing hearts...so IMO she was the one that did that, probably doodling while on the phone, or something. I don't think that an intruder that hated John so much that he would murder his daughter, would have drawn a heart around John's picture.

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"Recently we learned that an old newspaper article reporting about the top business people in the Boulder community was found in the Ramsey home. Someone had written "no" across the faces of business persons pictured in the article with the exception of the photo of John Ramsey. A heart was drawn around his face. The article was placed for safekeeping and discovered by the Boulder Police Department"

There could be a tie between the red heart around his head, and the red heart on JBR's hand. At first I thought that was a red herring...something the police had done to see what the Ramsey responses would be. It's very creepy, because that is so similar to a close-up scene in "Ricochet" where they went into the killer's prison cell, and they held up an article and Denzell Washington's pic had an X on it and the others the word No, I believe. "Ricochet" had creepy scenes of the killer lurking around the house where two small children were sleeping. On the wall leading to the upstairs were all kinds or articles framed about Washinton's career. That was a horrible movie all about revenge. If the intruder brought it in, then I think it was more personal and perhaps it was pre-meditated murder.

 

[JMO8778]

Ames has posted a pic of the red 'heart' before,which really doesn't look like much of a heart at all,and more like something a child would draw on themselves.you can find it on acandyrose.com.

 

[Sophie]

I don't know where you got your information,but Thomas truly wasn't like that.don't listen to the IDI's on that one,because of COURSE the Rams were going to whine that LE was out to get them...what else could they do???!! they had to twist it somehow..even coming up w such STUPID comments like Patsy saying Thomas 'looked young enough to be a boy scout',when in reality,there wasn't much difference in their ages.I mean......@@@@@@@@.
Thomas was one of the only HONEST ppl who worked the case,he refused to be bought or sold,and he is and will always be JonBenet's HERO.

Must say, it always surprises me to hear the suggestion that ST was so wedded to his own theory that he bordered on fabricating evidence and certainly did a job on the Ramseys in terms of spinning the available information. I don't believe that anyone actually wanted JBR to have been killed by the people who should have been protecting her and that includes ST - I mean, didn't he actively want that vile bloke in North Carolina to have dunnit rather than the Ramseys?

 

[Sophie]

A real perp wouldn't have made it almost three pages long, either. The longest rn in history. Why in the world would you leave a three page RN anyway...if the person that you kidnapped...was dead, in the basement of the house that you left the RN in? Makes absolutely no sense. Another thing, even though she was dead...a real kidnapper would have still taken her body with them, and would have STILL gotten the money. Then after getting the bag of money...they could say..."Oops...we lied. She's dead. Thanks for the money." I mean, IF it had of been a REAL kidnapping. NOT, wipe her down, change her panties, and wrap her in a blanket...like a papoose, and leave her body in the basement...and the RN on the stairs.

Agreed. Equally, I struggle to believe that having carried out this sort of offence so successfully, an intruder wouldn't repeat the offence or have caught the attention of LE in any other way.

 

[Ames]

There could be a tie between the red heart around his head, and the red heart on JBR's hand. At first I thought that was a red herring...something the police had done to see what the Ramsey responses would be. It's very creepy, because that is so similar to a close-up scene in "Ricochet" where they went into the killer's prison cell, and they held up an article and Denzell Washington's pic had an X on it and the others the word No, I believe. "Ricochet" had creepy scenes of the killer lurking around the house where two small children were sleeping. On the wall leading to the upstairs were all kinds or articles framed about Washinton's career. That was a horrible movie all about revenge. If the intruder brought it in, then I think it was more personal and perhaps it was pre-meditated murder.

They found that magazine article, put up for "safe keeping". An intruder would have left it out. I don't believe that an intruder ...that hated John so much that he would kill his daughter....would draw a HEART around John's picture. An X, maybe....but, not a heart. The heart on JB's hand, looks more like a smiley face to me...find the picture on acandyrose's site, and enlarge it, it looks like = ), turned right side up. Anyway, IMO..there is no connection between the two. JB's drawing on her palm was faded, so it hadn't been recently drawn. Patsy had a HABIT of drawing hearts...IMO...SHE is the one that drew the heart around John's picture...and that would make more sense that his wife would draw the heart around his picture.. than an intruder that came in, and did it...and put it up for "safe Keeping".

 

[Ames]

Agreed. Equally, I struggle to believe that having carried out this sort of offence so successfully, an intruder wouldn't repeat the offence or have caught the attention of LE in any other way.

I totally agree with that!

 

[Ames]

Ames has posted a pic of the red 'heart' before,which really doesn't look like much of a heart at all,and more like something a child would draw on themselves.you can find it on acandyrose.com.

It doesn't look like a heart to me at all...but, it does look like it was drawn by a child...whatever it is.

 

[KoldKase]

It's simply a false conclusion to state that because you can't PROVE the Ramseys saw this or that movie, that's PROOF they DIDN'T, therefore they couldn't have written the ransom note.

Come on. We don't know what the Ramseys saw, didn't see, were interested in, weren't interested in, would or would not know about or remember. All we know about the Ramseys' personal lives is what they wanted us to know.

We certainly know that their story changed countless times, that they were certainly obstructing justice in this murder investigation, and that they withheld evidence from LE repeatedly, including info only they, as the parents and family, could provide LE with early on. For FIVE YEARS they hid the "alleged" package of Bloomies, for instance.

They can make excuses all they want, but those are facts anyone can see for him/herself in their depositions, their well documented LE interviews, TV interviews, the actions of the Ramseys, even their own book.

Given that the Ramseys are the only people on this planet TO DATE who have been proven to have:

MEANS--they were certainly capable of doing all that was done that night;

MOTIVE--acute and chronic vaginal injuries are undoubtedly included;

AND OPPORTUNITY--even the Ramseys admit they were in the home all that night;

...anyone who wants justice for JonBenet has to face that the Ramseys certainly can have done it, even if you want to believe they didn't.

 

[Mendara]

A real perp wouldn't have made it almost three pages long, either. The longest rn in history. Why in the world would you leave a three page RN anyway...if the person that you kidnapped...was dead, in the basement of the house that you left the RN in? Makes absolutely no sense. Another thing, even though she was dead...a real kidnapper would have still taken her body with them, and would have STILL gotten the money. Then after getting the bag of money...they could say..."Oops...we lied. She's dead. Thanks for the money." I mean, IF it had of been a REAL kidnapping. NOT, wipe her down, change her panties, and wrap her in a blanket...like a papoose, and leave her body in the basement...and the RN on the stairs.

Unless he thought it was funny to kill her then send the Ramsey's on a wild goose chase thinking she was kidnapped only to find her days later in their basement well hidden.

I am by no means an expert on the case so please don't gang up on me. But in my mind the intruder enjoyed knowing she was really dead in the basement while the Ramsey's thought she was taken. I think he was disappointed that she was found so soon and that is why the calls never came in for the ransom money. I think the intruder wanted her body to remain hidden in the basement for a while, at least until his first call.

The game ended too soon for him.

I think he was very interested in torturing JR and was in the house for a few hours before they came home, where he saw the BONUS money check and I think he sat in JR's chair, in his office and wrote the note.

Maybe my imagination is out there, but I think he enjoyed these movies you speak of and wanted so much to play the villain, but he didn't expect JBR to be found so quickly.

 

[DeeDee249]

There was no bonus check. JR was due an end-of-year bonus of about $118,000 (the amount in the ransom note) but there was no check laying around nor any paper or document found that mentioned the bonus or the amount that we are aware of.

Doubtful the note was written anywhere other than the kitchen alcove where the cup of pens/pencils was kept as well as the pad of paper the note was written on. If you search for crime scene photos on the web, a photo of that area is available. IMO, the note was written right there, and the pen and pad left right where they were always kept.

 

[Mendara]

There was no bonus check. JR was due an end-of-year bonus of about $118,000 (the amount in the ransom note) but there was no check laying around nor any paper or document found that mentioned the bonus or the amount that we are aware of.

Doubtful the note was written anywhere other than the kitchen alcove where the cup of pens/pencils was kept as well as the pad of paper the note was written on. If you search for crime scene photos on the web, a photo of that area is available. IMO, the note was written right there, and the pen and pad left right where they were always kept.

Really - i thought there was some paperwork stating the amount of the bonus laying around.

Thanks for replying to me.

 

[DeeDee249]

Really - i thought there was some paperwork stating the amount of the bonus laying around.

Thanks for replying to me.

No problem. No paperwork that I am aware of, and I am sure it would have been taken into evidence (for prints, etc) if there had been. There are many little "pockets of misinformation" surrounding this case, which have made it difficult for anyone trying to piece together the events of the night. The "mystery" hair on the blanket mistakenly thought to be a pubic hair, and palm print on a basement door as well - later sourced to PR and MR respectively. No wonder it has been so difficult.

 

[BBB167893]

I am by no means an expert on the case so please don't gang up on me.

Well, I have no intention of "ganging up" on you, Mendara. But I would ask that you follow up on our responses to your "that is really evil" post, since you were so interested and all. I'd really like to explore that one further with you.

But I'll stick to this for now.

But in my mind the intruder enjoyed knowing she was really dead in the basement while the Ramsey's thought she was taken. I think he was disappointed that she was found so soon and that is why the calls never came in for the ransom money. I think the intruder wanted her body to remain hidden in the basement for a while, at least until his first call.

But how would he know so soon?

I think he was very interested in torturing JR and was in the house for a few hours before they came home, where he saw the BONUS money check and I think he sat in JR's chair, in his office and wrote the note.

What DeeDee said. Incidentally, I'm not really sure how that whole bit about "someone could have seen the check stub lying around got started." I'm pretty sure it was something the Ramsey Machine put out (as Goebbels said, tell a lie often enough, and it will be accepted as truth), but not 100% sure, you know?

Maybe my imagination is out there, but I think he enjoyed these movies you speak of and wanted so much to play the villain, but he didn't expect JBR to be found so quickly.

I'm interested in what you might think of the reverse.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Unless he thought it was funny to kill her then send the Ramsey's on a wild goose chase thinking she was kidnapped only to find her days later in their basement well hidden.

I am by no means an expert on the case so please don't gang up on me. But in my mind the intruder enjoyed knowing she was really dead in the basement while the Ramsey's thought she was taken. I think he was disappointed that she was found so soon and that is why the calls never came in for the ransom money. I think the intruder wanted her body to remain hidden in the basement for a while, at least until his first call.

The game ended too soon for him.

I think he was very interested in torturing JR and was in the house for a few hours before they came home, where he saw the BONUS money check and I think he sat in JR's chair, in his office and wrote the note.

Maybe my imagination is out there, but I think he enjoyed these movies you speak of and wanted so much to play the villain, but he didn't expect JBR to be found so quickly.

Fits the profile of a sadist alright. Some of the crime scene evidence and RN remarks corroborate your idea that the perp was interested in the effect on the parents.

 

[DeeDee249]

Fits the profile of a sadist alright. Some of the crime scene evidence and RN remarks corroborate your idea that the perp was interested in the effect on the parents.

The condition of JBR's corpse doesn't even scratch the surface of what a true sadist would have done. The only sadist here was the Rs, who watched with complete detachment the destruction of the lives of the people they tried to blame for the murder of their daughter.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

The condition of JBR's corpse doesn't even scratch the surface of what a true sadist would have done. The only sadist here was the Rs, who watched with complete detachment the destruction of the lives of the people they tried to blame for the murder of their daughter.

I believe we were discussing the idea that the RN author may have deliberately provided a false hope to the parents (we have your daughter, she is safe and unharmed) when there was none, because JBR may have already been killed or was planned to be killed regardless. Its a sadistic thing to do. This idea is a very possible facet of IDI, not RDI. Why are you so interested in it?

BTW you don't know what JBR felt or saw, therefore you have no idea if her murder was sadistic or not.

 

[DeeDee249]

I believe we were discussing the idea that the RN author may have deliberately provided a false hope (we have your daughter, she is safe and unharmed) when there was none, because JBR may have already been killed or was planned to be killed regardless. Its a sadistic thing to do. Besides, you don't know what happened to JBR or what she felt, why pretend you do?

Its a possibility, a facet of IDI, not RDI. Why are you so interested in it?

Nowhere in that post do I say I know what JBR felt or what happened, so your accusation puzzles me. So no need to pretend anything. If this crime had been committed by a sexual sadist, JBR would not have been left redressed and lovingly covered up with her blanket. And her injuries would have left no doubt as to what happened.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Nowhere in that post do I say I know what JBR felt or what happened, so your accusation puzzles me. So no need to pretend anything. If this crime had been committed by a sexual sadist, JBR would not have been left redressed and lovingly covered up with her blanket. And her injuries would have left no doubt as to what happened.

Lovingly? Where do you get that? She had a deep furrow around her neck, and fractured skull, a large hemorrhage on her neck, other unexplained injuries in various places on her body. There was this 2nd ligature you don't even know what it was for. You'll claim you do when you really don't.

She was dressed, wrapped in a blanket, with tape over her mouth. This is JBR packed to-go, exactly appropriate for a winter night kidnapping.

Duh. Its not rocket science. Not for some of us anyway.