You're so Vain by Carly Simon mystery man

This is interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You're_So_Vain

...On June 19, 2008 Howard Stern claimed that Simon had privately revealed to him about whom the song was written after her interview on his popular radio show on Sirius Satellite Radio. Stern commented, "There is an odd aspect to it ... he's not that vain." On March 17, 2009 again on his program, Stern claimed that she had said it was a "composite of three people". Stern repeated this on May 5, 2014 claiming, "she takes me aside, pulls me close, whispers in my ear.. three names. She goes, it wasn't one person, it was three people." Stern thought that one of the names was Warren Beatty and another might be David Geffen, but said that he "forgot."...

BBM

I think that comment knocks David Blue out of contention. David Blue died in 1982. Stern says "he's not that vain." If it were Blue he would have said: "he wasn't that vain." So I'm assuming the person was still alive in 2009. :thinking:

ETA: The song is supposedly about three people so maybe David Blue is one of them, but Stern was referring to the third person. :dunno:
 
An interesting side note. On David Blues album "Me" 1969 http://folk.uio.no/alfs/blue.html he has a song titled "Isn't that the way it's supposed to be" While Carly had a song titled "That's the Way I've Always Heard It Should Be" in 1971

Most likely a minor coincidence. :dunno:
 
This is a cool site full of all sorts of useless trivia with which to clog the brain (and also plenty of goodies too).

The Jerry Brown entry, for example: http://www.nndb.com/people/026/000023954/

And the Carly.

Hmmm... neither Brown's page or Carly's page mention them ever dating.

So here is what we know. Despite my being 99.9% sure there is a B in the name also we'll go by her clues.

A, E, R in the name.
Something to do with an Ovid <------ Whatever that is.
The person was still alive in 2009.
She's said it's a little about Warren Beatty
She's denied publicly denied Geffen, Jagger


I put Ovid into the site wfgodot linked and came up with these two pages:

http://www.nndb.com/people/560/000174038/

Ovid Demaris

AKA Ovide E. Desmarais

Born: 6-Sep-1919
Birthplace: Biddeford, ME
Died: 12-Mar-1998
Location of death: Biddeford, ME
Cause of death: unspecified


Ovid Desmarais was an author.

http://www.nndb.com/people/835/000087574/

Ovid was a poet

Born: 20-Mar-43 BC
Birthplace: Sulmona, Italy
Died: 17 AD
Location of death: Constanta, Romania
Cause of death: unspecified


:thinking:

Does this person use Ovid's poetry in something?
 
Ok, here's an interesting Ovid connection: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovid#Ovid.27s_Influence

(2006) American musician Bob Dylan's album Modern Times contains songs with borrowed lines from Ovid's Poems of Exile, from Peter Green's translation. The songs are "Workingman's Blues #2", "Ain't Talkin'", "The Levee's Gonna Break", and "Spirit on the Water".

Suddenly Bob Dylan enters as a suspect.

ETA: Bob Dylan's real name is Robert Allen Zimmerman which satisfies the A, E, R requirement.
 
Except that Dylan doesn't fit the profile. The Ovid reference is off, too, I think.
 
I wonder if Carly considered this alternate lyric:

"You had one eye in the mirror as
You watched yourself fox trot."

;)
 
It's a great song and also a fine thread topic -- though discussion of a song as merely an excuse to decipher its real life cast of characters ultimately leads to what one could call -- to name-check a song inferior to the one under discussion here -- the "'American Pie'-ization" of the Carly Simon tune.
 
It's a great song and also a fine thread topic -- though discussion of a song as merely an excuse to decipher its real life cast of characters ultimately leads to what one could call -- to name-check a song inferior to the one under discussion here -- the "'American Pie'-ization" of the Carly Simon tune.

I've been up all night after getting an adrenaline rush from the Brittanee Drexel thing, but I don't understand what you mean.

One other thing. In addition to Jagger and Geffen she's also ruled out James Taylor.
 
Ovid, NY is upstate, near Rome and Trumansberg NY, as one travels to Ithaca, NY.....Trumansberg has a crazy haunt called
The Rongovian Embassy, a marlin hangs behind the bar, velvet brocade curtains abound. It is the site of a former hippie commune co-op from thr 60s. Not sure who would be vain commune style, but nonetheless, a visual to start your day.
 
And just for fun, IMO and former research, Beatty's Aunt lived or lives in Nova Scotia.
 
[video=youtube;mQZmCJUSC6g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQZmCJUSC6g[/video]

I adore this song. :)
 
Ovid, NY is upstate, near Rome and Trumansberg NY, as one travels to Ithaca, NY.....Trumansberg has a crazy haunt called
The Rongovian Embassy, a marlin hangs behind the bar, velvet brocade curtains abound. It is the site of a former hippie commune co-op from thr 60s. Not sure who would be vain commune style, but nonetheless, a visual to start your day.

There's also an Ovid Michigan. I don't think it's a town. I think it's a very obscure clue. She likes playing with public, but I think her clues are true. She went out of her way to say the word was "Ovid" and not David. She could have just said that she's not saying David.

She's said that there are these three letters in the person's name, A, E, and R. I'm 99.9% sure she said there was a B as well one time, but I can't find anything on the net to back that up.

She's also said it's really about characteristics from three people. She said that it has a little to do with Warren Beatty, so I'm going to assume he's one. His name has an A, E, R and a B in the name. His name meets all three requirements, plus my memory. She told Howard Stern the three names and he said one was Warren Beatty and this was after 2010 and he said one of them might be Geffen, but he wasn't sure and he couldn't remember the third one. He also said that the person isn't that vain. Stern didn't say "He WASN'T that vain. He said: He's NOT that vain which makes me believe the person is still alive.

So I'm going to lay out my case here:

Stern is full of crap when he says he can't remember. He just doesn't want to be hounded.

The song is mainly about one person, because Stern says "HE" isn't that vain, but per Carly it's a little about three.

She has said unequivocally that Geffen, Jagger and Taylor are not the subject of the song. In fact after the song was released she had been married to James Taylor for about a month, and he actually had taken a trip to Nova Scotia. She said fortunately it wasn't on a Lear Jet. So it seems the Lear Jet is a factual piece.

I'm assuming the A, E, R and B are in all three names.

Today the word partner means significant other. It was not used that way back in 1971. Back then a partner was someone in business or co musician, like Simon and Garfunkel were partners. So all the girls dreamed that they'd be your partner takes on a different meaning. I think it could mean that all of the girls dreamed they'd be your songwriting partner. So it would have to be someone a lot of people wanted to write songs with.

This person also had a lot of affairs.

So here's the people I think fit all three requirements.

Obviously Beatty and next I think is Stuart David Cohen or David Blue. Those are the minor players.

The person the song is about is Robert Allen Zimmerman or Bob Dylan. He has all of the letters in his name. He was hugely successful by 1971 and it's fairly easy to believe that the record company would provide him a Lear Jet. This is from memory so take it for what it's worth. I saw a documentary about Bob Dylan years and years and years ago. They spoke to Dylan's wife at the time and asked her about how she dealt with Bob being a guy who had lots of affairs. She said she just slept around too. So if I'm remembering that right then Bob fits that part as well. It's also very easy to believe that a lot of people would want to be his songwriting partner. On his 2006 album "Modern Times" he borrows heavily from the poetry of Ovid, and he's not that vain.

That's my case for Bob Dylan so far. I reserve the right to change my mind. :thumb:


[video=youtube;mQZmCJUSC6g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQZmCJUSC6g[/video]

I adore this song. :)

It's one of the best ever!
 
Well, it turns out, I remember that eclipse as where I live was in the 90% area. What stood out to me was the songbirds went to roost, but were awake & chirping the new dawn in just a few minutes.

http://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/solar/1970-march-7

So, who went to NS to see the total eclipse? Would there have been any news reports of "celebrities" visiting?

By the way, for sky-watchers:
"There will not be an eclipse with a greater duration of totality over the contiguous United States until the
solar eclipse of April 8, 2024, a period of 54 years."
from wikipedia
 
This is about the song on Carly Simon's official website. http://www.carlysimon.com/You're_So_Vain.html

In January of 1973, You're So Vain was the # 1 hit song on the radio. Carly Simon had just married fellow pop-superstar James Taylor a month before, so when You're So Vain hit the airwaves, it stirred intense curiosity about which one of her previous lovers was the subject of this wry nod to the male ego. Was it Mick Jagger? Cat Stevens? Warren Beatty? Kris Kristofferson? It was common knowledge that she had been involved with each of them in the past. To this day, she is still asked the question "Who is You're So Vain about?". Here you can read some her responses for clues.

What does "Clouds In My Coffee" mean?


"It came from an airplane flight that I took with Billy Mernit, who was my friend and piano player at the time. As I got my coffee, there were clouds outside the window of the airplane and you could see the reflection in the cup of coffee. Billy said to me, 'Look at the clouds in your coffee'. I liked the phrase and used it to illustrate the "illusion" of having a relationship with the subject of the song".

There's a lot more after that.

Sounds like maybe there was a little more than clouds in their coffee. Jus sayin....
; )
 
Mick sings backup on the song. You can hear him clearly.
I have always heard it was Beatty.

I don't know how much of the thread you've read, but the clues are laid out from what she's said including her own website: http://www.carlysimon.com/You're_So_Vain.html

It's about the characteristics of three people, but one main person. She's said it's a little bit about Beatty, so I'd think he's one of the three, but not the main one. My guess on the main one is Bob Dylan. You can read my posts above to find out how I came about that conclusion.
 

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