Zahra Baker's Biological Mother

[DLT88]

Video: Zahra's birth mother: "I feel broken"
http://www.wcnc.com/video?id=106754533&sec=731773

She must have been treasuring this book of photos of her daughter all these years. Does AB have a book of photos of his daughter that he is crying over right now?? Who is the REAL parent here? It disgusts me. I think AB is a controlling pig now. And I think he's a momma's boy so she walled Emily out of their life but she had NO D*MN RIGHT to deny Zahra her mother!!! That's not love! That's possession. So maybe the only relative who could really LOVE Zahra was Emily. My heart just breaks at the injustice.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

And don't we just know that Zahra would have fantasised about what things would have been like with Emily for her whole life....I can just see her, especially when things got rough, sitting in her little room dreaming of a life that could have been, with a kind sweet mother who cared. Instead of one that yelled at her as she struggled to walk up a hill on her prosthetic leg, and did unspeakable things to her behind closed doors.

The Bakers have a lot to answer for for this.

 

[sweetmop]

I feel for this poor woman. Really, my heart breaks for her!
I don't understand why AB would get together with EB and turn into a demon himself, but that looks like that's what happened.

It sounds like poor Zahra was a pawn here. AB knew Emily was looking for her and he didn't want her near Zahra. All for his own selfish reasons. He never thought about the welfare of his child, in being close to her mom and having a real mother/daughter relationship. He wanted to make Emily suffer, and he did. But Zahra was impacted as well!
Such a selfish act! And then he brought EB into the picture and it became lethal for Zahra! I think Zahra never had a chance once she entered the picture, and AB didn't give a %&@!

Why do so many people use their children to get back at their exs!??? It happens all the time! Heck, it happened to me, though not to this horrid degree. But people need to think of what they are setting their child's life up to be. Decisions made in hatred affect a child forever. It affects who they are forever. And we see how it all turned out for this sweet innocent little girl. This is so very heartbreaking!
(And I'm sorry for the rant)

 

[panthera]

with respect to posters who see resemblance between EB and ED...I just dont see it. maybe you guys have seen hmmm, how shall I say it, better pics of EB than I have (I got the 80 year old looking jowly looking ones in my mind's eye) but aside from having a similar hair colour I just dont see it.

I do see resemblance of ED and zahra though.

A very striking resemblance between Zahra and her mother, imo!

 

[Ilovecheese]

Apparently you've worked with judges, a court system and an ex biparent that is reasonable.

Get back to me when a judge court orders your infant (breast fed daughter) to spend weekends in her fathers apartment when he's high as a kite and smoking in front of her with guns laying on the table. (Oh, and likely high when he drove her there too). AND you have photos and witnesses to prove it.

Nope. No obligation. He has no rights IMO. Don't really care what the judge said ... I didn't and wouldn't send her.

Your situation certainly sounds like it was difficult, to say the least, but my comment wasn't directed at your situation at all. I can ABSOLUTELY see where you would feel the necessity of keeping your child away from her father, and I can understand from personal experience your disgust with the justice system that ignores blatantly horrible parenting. But what is it you think ED did or didn't do to justify AB and KB keeping her away? Was it really that bad, or was it just the B's subjective opinions?

 

[rbrnmw2]

I feel for this poor woman. Really, my heart breaks for her!
I don't understand why AB would get together with EB and turn into a demon himself, but that looks like that's what happened.

It sounds like poor Zahra was a pawn here. AB knew Emily was looking for her and he didn't want her near Zahra. All for his own selfish reasons. He never thought about the welfare of his child, in being close to her mom and having a real mother/daughter relationship. He wanted to make Emily suffer, and he did. But Zahra was impacted as well!
Such a selfish act! And then he brought EB into the picture and it became lethal for Zahra! I think Zahra never had a chance once she entered the picture, and AB didn't give a %&@!

Why do so many people use their children to get back at their exs!??? It happens all the time! Heck, it happened to me, though not to this horrid degree. But people need to think of what they are setting their child's life up to be. Decisions made in hatred affect a child forever. It affects who they are forever. And we see how it all turned out for this sweet innocent little girl. This is so very heartbreaking!
(And I'm sorry for the rant)

Sometimes this is the only way left for the abuser to further their abuse.
These demons behind closed doors paint a very good picture of themselves to judges and CPS The child is the only way for them to still maintain control of their victim thus making the child another victim. My dd's stepthing stole from her. I go to a support group for women who get tangled up in abusive relationships. It's not uncommen for a Step Parent to lie on the kids to the Custodial Parent it's so sick and nm calling cps they write you off as crazy. I believe Emily 100% I have seen situations like this and have experienced it firsthand, It is like the people who should be helping you are actually helping the abuser to abuse you.

 

[2goldfish]

Apparently you've worked with judges, a court system and an ex biparent that is reasonable.

Get back to me when a judge court orders your infant (breast fed daughter) to spend weekends in her fathers apartment when he's high as a kite and smoking in front of her with guns laying on the table. (Oh, and likely high when he drove her there too). AND you have photos and witnesses to prove it.

Nope. No obligation. He has no rights IMO. Don't really care what the judge said ... I didn't and wouldn't send her.

I'm so sorry you've had to (currently are?) going through that. they should never have ordered weekends away from mom when the baby is nursing! that could have destroyed her ability to nurse and she was way too little to be so far from mom and for so long. to a baby a weekend is like...years.

sorry I just realised how O/T this is but I couldnt help it.

 

[Fyrecat]

I'm so sorry you've had to (currently are?) going through that. they should never have ordered weekends away from mom when the baby is nursing! that could have destroyed her ability to nurse and she was way too little to be so far from mom and for so long. to a baby a weekend is like...years.

sorry I just realised how O/T this is but I couldnt help it.

I work with Foster Care, so know perhaps a bit about this. If you have Evidence that dad was getting high around this child, it needed to be presented to your attorney or the Judge directly. If you suspect it because someone has told you this, then you need to get that person to let Child Services know, or even the police. Getting high with a child around is a CRIME!
I don't know what the rules are there, but you need to know that there are laws everywhere to protect children, and usually there is something that can be done if somoene makes enough noise.

 

[sweetmop]

Sometimes this is the only way left for the abuser to further their abuse.
These demons behind closed doors paint a very good picture of themselves to judges and CPS The child is the only way for them to still maintain control of their victim thus making the child another victim. My dd's stepthing stole from her. I go to a support group for women who get tangled up in abusive relationships. It's not uncommen for a Step Parent to lie on the kids to the Custodial Parent it's so sick and nm calling cps they write you off as crazy. I believe Emily 100% I have seen situations like this and have experienced it firsthand, It is like the people who should be helping you are actually helping the abuser to abuse you.

Yes, I've seen situations like that also. It really infuriates me!:furious:
And it's all about control.
I believe Emily 100% also. And my heart really hurts for the sadness and the hurt she is feeling now!

 

[Fyrecat]

****MOO****
I want to add that any woman who has been in a DV Shelter will tell you, how common it is for an abuser to get custody of the child/children. I know several women who had evident signs of abuse backed by pictures, even letters with threats in some cases, only to leave the courtroom w/o their children. I think we need to do something to raise awareness of this quite common occurrence, so that the next Zahra has a fighting chance!

So true. Please know that in some states, there are Agencies to ASSIST those in just these cases. Here in NY we have 2, and there may be one in your state. Anyone in this situation should contact the DV hotline and ask for resources for women who are afraid of losing their child to an abusive ex.

It makes me angry that a person who has gone thorugh so much is then put through more, usually because the ex is with one with control over the dough.

 

[filesman]

I am a long time lurker -Haven't posted very often. I just have an insight into parents finding missing children. Growing up I lived in a blended family his-hers-ours. I was hers and his were very close in age to me. On one weekend trip with their mother, my "brothers" never returned. for 7 years we searched to find out that fake passports were issued and they were taken out of the country. I know my mom and dad searched as best they could with knowledge and resources they had... Do not blame Emily, we do not know her circumstances and it is very likely, she did not know where her precious daughter was.

 

[GreenTeam]

I will say that I found Emily very sincere. The body language and the sincere tears. I study alot of body language, I am no expert but there is REAL difference in her horrible pain as she breaks down and cries vs AB sudden outburst of tears in mid sentence at news press in the start of this.. that very moment it sealed my suspicion of AB.

IMO he isolated little Zhara. The isolation from a parent is normally done for 2 reasons, controll and fear of the child revealing sexual abuse. Zarah as she aged was becoming more able to resist and tell others (her bio mom) This is my theory. I have researched molestors and he seems to fit the mold.

AB probally did abuse EB, however no woman would be abused to the point that they would participate in the murder or dismemberment of a child.

I really hope that Emily can have whatever remains be transported to her and a burial or memorial with Zarah with her mother in Australia.

I'm curious how AB fits the mold? Thanks!

 

[revampz]

hi guys.....I gather you have all read the mums story she posted on the hinky meter......it is on the facebook page as well.....just to let you know a week or so ago I tried to let everyone know that there was a LD having a fight with KB on the facebook page (which got taken down..the love 4 zahra) about the lies from the baker family being told and that it would all come out in the end........LD had said to KB to stop lying that the mum had last seen zahra when she was eight months old and that she had photos of her with her at about 2......

well this LD has the same surname as the mum Emily.....

KB had the page shut down very very soon after this encounter with LD, saying that she was sick of people saying things about AB.....think it may be more a case of knowing bio mums family (and prob biomum) were on the page.....

I too feel very very sorry for this mother, however I think there is more to this as it was KB who actually bought up Zahra and moved with her to Giru.......Adam followed......the thing is here in OZ it is not that hard to track people down ESPECIALLY if she was paying child support the whole time.....

I am sure she loved her little girl very much, as they say a mothers bond.......

I am also seeing another side to the baker clan and especially adam....

 

[tlcya]

BTW Anyone have any links or info as to KB's vigor in searching for AB and Zhra these last few years?

We seem very ready to call out ED's lack of visible proof of looking, but has KB shown any? Has anyone asked her to?

 

[revampz]

Emily put on facebook that Adam got Zahra out of the country via a legal "loophole".....something to do with her maiden name.....

re KB searching for them...that is true.....it has been written that she had lost all contact with them......I dont think she did search for them, I think it became a strained relationship.......but I am not sure of this......does anyone know???

In regards to her being searched for ........there were articles in the "townsville daily bulletin" which were on the internet as it has its own site, from when she was sick and the she had a day with the army.....it states here about her being from Giru......this was in 2008.......they lived in Giru since she was four years old.

Adam only moved once with her....from Newcastle to Giru (sorry and then to the US).....so saying he moved around alot in australia is incorrect........

It would be very very easy to find someone in Giru as the population is about 300...and most of these people are canefarmers...

Once again I do beleive the mother loved Zahra very much and Adam took her from her....I beleive all of this....but I still think Zahra would have been very very easy to find in Giru.......if she had her medical records as she says she did then she would know that she was treated in Townsville hospital for four years.......



http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2008/09/22/16341_newsphoto.html

 

[tlcya]

perhaps she felt very low about herself. Maybe she had zero self esteem at o.ne point. I refuse to judge, as far as I am concerned neither ED nor KB has been proven to have done anything to have caused the death of Zahra. I believe we know where that blame lies

 

[tlcya]

As the biological mother who has done nothing wrong, I personally would think she would have more right to little gal's remains.

 

[vjlaw]

As the biological mother who has done nothing wrong, I personally would think she would have more right to little gal's remains.

I agree. Apparently AB didn't see KB as guardian for Zahra or he wouldn't have brought her to the states and lost contact. jmo

 

[Patty G]

Emily put on facebook that Adam got Zahra out of the country via a legal "loophole".....something to do with her maiden name.....

re KB searching for them...that is true.....it has been written that she had lost all contact with them......I dont think she did search for them, I think it became a strained relationship.......but I am not sure of this......does anyone know???

In regards to her being searched for ........there were articles in the "townsville daily bulletin" which were on the internet as it has its own site, from when she was sick and the she had a day with the army.....it states here about her being from Giru......this was in 2008.......they lived in Giru since she was four years old.

Adam only moved once with her....from Newcastle to Giru (sorry and then to the US).....so saying he moved around alot in australia is incorrect........

It would be very very easy to find someone in Giru as the population is about 300...and most of these people are canefarmers...

Once again I do beleive the mother loved Zahra very much and Adam took her from her....I beleive all of this....but I still think Zahra would have been very very easy to find in Giru.......if she had her medical records as she says she did then she would know that she was treated in Townsville hospital for four years.......



http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2008/09/22/16341_newsphoto.html

BBM
Please provide the link to where you are reading Emily's posts.

 

[carmenugt]

Emily put on facebook that Adam got Zahra out of the country via a legal "loophole".....something to do with her maiden name.....

re KB searching for them...that is true.....it has been written that she had lost all contact with them......I dont think she did search for them, I think it became a strained relationship.......but I am not sure of this......does anyone know???

In regards to her being searched for ........there were articles in the "townsville daily bulletin" which were on the internet as it has its own site, from when she was sick and the she had a day with the army.....it states here about her being from Giru......this was in 2008.......they lived in Giru since she was four years old.

Adam only moved once with her....from Newcastle to Giru (sorry and then to the US).....so saying he moved around alot in australia is incorrect........

It would be very very easy to find someone in Giru as the population is about 300...and most of these people are canefarmers...

Once again I do beleive the mother loved Zahra very much and Adam took her from her....I beleive all of this....but I still think Zahra would have been very very easy to find in Giru.......if she had her medical records as she says she did then she would know that she was treated in Townsville hospital for four years.......



http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/article/2008/09/22/16341_newsphoto.html

I don't believe bio mom either. There are 2 sides for every story. Women do not have there children removed for nothing. In Zahra's case, she just left here. If it was post partum depression doesn't AUS have national healthcare?
The only one I would like to hear from is Zahra's grandmother.
Has anyone checked out IMVU, the social networking site where EB met AB. It doesn't seem to me that you could meet some lonely heart online and manipulate them. Afterall, you can be anyone or anything online.