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[missy1974]

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...rial-Exhibit-359-Avery-Call-Log-2005Oct31.pdf

He called them at 8:12am from his cell phone, without the *67.

the toll free number can be verified with this document that was also part of the trial:

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...nd-362-Auto-Trader-Appt-and-Phone-Records.pdf

took me a minute or 2 to verify it, I knew we had, but couldn't find it with google.

Not very sneaky IMO

 

[missy1974]

Okay. Seems like a strange request to me.

Why did it matter who came out to do the job? Did Steven Avery know every employee that could come out and do the job? How would he know that? JMO

Teresa was the only employee for AutoTrader in that area AFAIK. So it wouldn't have mattered if he had said it or not. Maybe he liked the photo's she took? From everything I have read, she was pretty quick and efficient and they had never had problems with the ads when she came out. JMO

Again, I think if you are trying to lure someone you do it in a sneakier way than asking for her and calling AutoTrader directly with no *67 in the morning. It's obvious we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one Ranch ;-) I doubt either of us will change our minds.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Teresa was the only employee for AutoTrader in that area AFAIK. So it wouldn't have mattered if he had said it or not. Maybe he liked the photo's she took? From everything I have read, she was pretty quick and efficient and they had never had problems with the ads when she came out. JMO

Again, I think if you are trying to lure someone you do it in a sneakier way than asking for her and calling AutoTrader directly with no *67 in the morning. It's obvious we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one Ranch ;-) I doubt either of us will change our minds.

BBM

I think it matters a lot that he said that. LOL

Okay, I'll drop it as you said we need to agree to disagree.

 

[Safeguard]

Yep. like Missy posted. I'm looking for the "sneaky" part (about the calls) and I just don't see it.

 

[Karinna]

The state is now trying to make that a lot of these pieces that weren't in the movie (were) more sinister than they really were," Buting said.

Among the details missing in the series was that Avery called Halbach three times on the day of her murder.

"With regard to this for instance, also left out was the fact that he called and made an appointment to the office," Buting said. "If he had her cell phone number and was trying to lure her, why would you call the office and create a paper trail? You would just call her directly and no one would ever know that he'd come here. Instead, he goes to the office."
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/making-a-murderer-steven-avery-defense-attorneys-fire-back-critics/

 

[Safeguard]

The state is now trying to make that a lot of these pieces that weren't in the movie (were) more sinister than they really were," Buting said.

Among the details missing in the series was that Avery called Halbach three times on the day of her murder.

"With regard to this for instance, also left out was the fact that he called and made an appointment to the office," Buting said. "If he had her cell phone number and was trying to lure her, why would you call the office and create a paper trail? You would just call her directly and no one would ever know that he'd come here. Instead, he goes to the office."
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/making-a-murderer-steven-avery-defense-attorneys-fire-back-critics/

Right. Plus he told everyone in the known universe he had to leave work early to meet up with her. So...

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Maybe. Could there even be a camera at the sign-in window? His hands would be in plain view as he signed in no?

Well, I guess the point I'm trying to make is that MPD could have known he had that cut on his finger well before TH even went missing, correct? When did Jodi go to jail? I was listening to SA's Nov 5th interview and it appeared that he had been going there on a regular basis to see Jodi prior to TH going missing.

Sorry, guys I'm super tied up today. Talk to you all soon!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Not the person you are responding to, but there was a spot on comment up thread, sorry I can't remember who posted it. It was basically, so what if SA blocked his #? Once TH answered the call, how the heck was he going to disguise his voice? She would know immediately who it was. So how does the call blocking show nefarious intent? And this was apparently a quirk of SA's, something he had done in the past quite innocently.

Perhaps after previous unjust persecution/prosecution, he developed slight paranoia. I couldn't blame him in the slightest.

Thank you. I haven't kept up with all the phone details so forgive me for my silly questions.. I have forgotten some of the evidence from when the trial was held many years ago.

Did he talk with her at all that day on the phone?

Where does it come in that she was under the impression she was meeting a woman at the junkyard? His sister? I mean, does he set it up as she is meeting the woman instead of him?

But if he was paranoid how would that help him? Was he so disliked that he thought no one he did business with would pickup the phone if they knew it was him? If that was the case I don't think many would even come there to do business with him to begin with. It will be very interesting to know how many times he has done the blocking of his number and to whom. Were they all women I wonder? If there are other calls that he blocked to men or to some other business person I hope those people testify as to why they thought he blocked his number when he called them. I know if I do not see a number on my caller ID I do not pick up for no one who really knows me would do such a thing nor would a legitimate company that I may be doing business with.

He didn't seem paranoid to me. Wasn't he going about business as usual at the junkyard? How long had he been back before Teresa was murdered?

Why would he be paranoid just by calling Teresa to come take photos?

Using the block function still seems awfully odd to me. JMO

Can you give me a short synopsis on the phone calls he made that day? TIA and thank you for supplying me more detail.

 

[Madeleine74]

The state is now trying to make that a lot of these pieces that weren't in the movie (were) more sinister than they really were," Buting said.

Among the details missing in the series was that Avery called Halbach three times on the day of her murder.

"With regard to this for instance, also left out was the fact that he called and made an appointment to the office," Buting said. "If he had her cell phone number and was trying to lure her, why would you call the office and create a paper trail? You would just call her directly and no one would ever know that he'd come here. Instead, he goes to the office."

None of the call details were left out. In fact it was discussed at length on this board many months ago. Call logs for both TH and SA phones were published and in evidence during the trial. It was never a secret that someone called Auto Trader that morning to set up an appointment. That's how it's done to get a photographer to come out and Avery well knew the routine since it wasn't the first time an auto was being photographed at the salvage yard. He specifically gave the customer name as: "B Janda" which was written on the Auto Trader form. That too is in evidence. The phone number he gave was the one for "B Janda" (Janda home phone).

Barb Janda was at work until around 5pm-ish so she would not have been able to meet a photographer that day, nor was there to get a call, but that's the phone number TH was given from the intake appointment form and that's where she called (at 11:43am) and left a message.

The evidence is what it is. For some reason SA decided to hide/block his identity when he called TH twice that afternoon. That's a fact and it's right there in the call log. He didn't obscure his phone number for any other calls he made that day. Why? Don't know, but the only 2 calls he blocked/hid were the ones he made to TH cell phone.

 

[Karinna]

None of the call details were left out. In fact it was discussed at length on this board many months ago. Call logs for both TH and SA phones were published and in evidence during the trial. It was never a secret that someone called Auto Trader that morning to set up an appointment. That's how it's done to get a photographer to come out and Avery well knew the routine since it wasn't the first time an auto was being photographed at the salvage yard. He specifically gave the customer name as: "B Janda" which was written on the Auto Trader form. That too is in evidence. The phone number he gave was the one for "B Janda" (Janda home phone).

Barb Janda was at work until around 5pm-ish so she would not have been able to meet a photographer that day, nor was there to get a call, but that's the phone number TH was given from the intake appointment form and that's where she called (at 11:43am) and left a message.

The evidence is what it is. For some reason SA decided to hide/block his identity when he called TH twice that afternoon. That's a fact and it's right there in the call log. He didn't obscure his phone number for any other calls he made that day. Why? Don't know, but the only 2 calls he blocked/hid were the ones he made to TH cell phone.

This convo just keeps going around in circles lol. Did the investigation ever ask Avery the questions that people here are posing? Wouldn't that have been best asked to SA as to why he did whatever he did? Get it straight from the horses mouth so to speak?

 

[IDK]

None of the call details were left out. In fact it was discussed at length on this board many months ago. Call logs for both TH and SA phones were published and in evidence during the trial. It was never a secret that someone called Auto Trader that morning to set up an appointment. That's how it's done to get a photographer to come out and Avery well knew the routine since it wasn't the first time an auto was being photographed at the salvage yard. He specifically gave the customer name as: "B Janda" which was written on the Auto Trader form. That too is in evidence. The phone number he gave was the one for "B Janda" (Janda home phone).

Barb Janda was at work until around 5pm-ish so she would not have been able to meet a photographer that day, nor was there to get a call, but that's the phone number TH was given from the intake appointment form and that's where she called (at 11:43am) and left a message.

The evidence is what it is. For some reason SA decided to hide/block his identity when he called TH twice that afternoon. That's a fact and it's right there in the call log. He didn't obscure his phone number for any other calls he made that day. Why? Don't know, but the only 2 calls he blocked/hid were the ones he made to TH cell phone.

This is a more complete list of SA's calls that day. He made many other calls than just to AutoTrader and TH, including a call to the Public Defender's office that lasted over 20 minutes.
http://stevenaverycase.com/steven-avery-phone-call-records/

 

[Jaiddie]

IIRC, there WAS another girl that had taken photos for AT before TH started working there, and I believe SHE is the one who actually made the "SA creeps me out" statement and possibly even testified to that (tho I could be wrong about the testimony part, so won't swear to that). Maybe she gave off negative vibes to SA while interacting with him since he "creeped her out" (in her own words) so maybe he felt that. That could explain why he would ask for "the same girl as LAST TIME" because he didn't want that first girl who evidently didn't like him. JMO.

 

[IDK]

This convo just keeps going around in circles lol. Did the investigation ever ask Avery the questions that people here are posing? Wouldn't that have been best asked to SA as to why he did whatever he did? Get it straight from the horses mouth so to speak?

Exactly!

 

[Safeguard]

None of the call details were left out. In fact it was discussed at length on this board many months ago. Call logs for both TH and SA phones were published and in evidence during the trial. It was never a secret that someone called Auto Trader that morning to set up an appointment. That's how it's done to get a photographer to come out and Avery well knew the routine since it wasn't the first time an auto was being photographed at the salvage yard. He specifically gave the customer name as: "B Janda" which was written on the Auto Trader form. That too is in evidence. The phone number he gave was the one for "B Janda" (Janda home phone).

Barb Janda was at work until around 5pm-ish so she would not have been able to meet a photographer that day, nor was there to get a call, but that's the phone number TH was given from the intake appointment form and that's where she called (at 11:43am) and left a message.

The evidence is what it is. For some reason SA decided to hide/block his identity when he called TH twice that afternoon. That's a fact and it's right there in the call log. He didn't obscure his phone number for any other calls he made that day. Why? Don't know, but the only 2 calls he blocked/hid were the ones he made to TH cell phone.

Maybe he didn't want her to have his number on her personal cell, but decided after the photo shoot, it was not really a big deal to him, so he didn't bother to block that last call? I am just not seeing it as a huge issue. Some may see it as, he didn't bother blocking that last call, cause he knew she was dead, and made the last call trying to locate her phone (or whatever), and didn't need to block it, at that point.

But if he was all that crafty, why would he want to leave a record of that last call? Why not just look for the darn phone, it couldn't have *gone* that far* ( just thinking out loud).
I agree this keep going around in circles. It's brought up a lot, by the He's Guilty-ers...The significance is just lost on me.

 

[Madeleine74]

This convo just keeps going around in circles lol. Did the investigation ever ask Avery the questions that people here are posing? Wouldn't that have been best asked to SA as to why he did whatever he did? Get it straight from the horses mouth so to speak?

You'd have to look at SA's interviews/transcripts for answers to what he was asked and when. I don't recall. And ditto trial transcripts. Those are the source documents.

 

[Karinna]

Well if we go with K.Zellner and what she has, TH's phone last pinged about 13 miles from the Avery yard. Wonder what that means?

 

[Karinna]

You'd have to look at SA's interviews/transcripts for answers to what he was asked and when. I don't recall. And ditto trial transcripts. Those are the source documents.

Thanks, there is a lot of info. to wade back through for sure, and being late to this case have my work cut out for me,

 

[Madeleine74]

But if he was all that crafty, why would he want to leave a record of that last call? Why not just look for the darn phone, it couldn't have *gone* that far* ( just thinking out loud).

I don't think SA was all that crafty, it's pointed out many times he had a lower IQ, right?

People can spin the meaning of blocking only 2 calls that day to be anything they want, I suppose. It was a piece of evidence that was available for the jury to consider.

 

[Karinna]

I don't think SA was all that crafty, it's pointed out many times he had a lower IQ, right?

People can spin the meaning of blocking only 2 calls that day to be anything they want, I suppose. It was a piece of evidence that was available for the jury to consider.

Which makes me wonder how much relevence the jury did place on that information?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

BBM

I think it matters a lot that he said that. LOL

Okay, I'll drop it as you said we need to agree to disagree.

Hi Ranch. Great to 'see' you. I think we are in the minority here don't cha think? Been there.........done that.

I understand that others believe what he said isn't that important and I fully respect that but to me all of that is very important. So you are not alone, my friend.

I still want to know how LE got the bodily fluid DNA that matched his off of the hood latch of her vehicle. Why put it there when there are much more obvious places?

And I still find it very puzzling he didn't call her cellphone since he had it and had already had her out at the junkyard. Of course I think using the block function on his phone is very odd. Did he do it the last time he called Teresa after they believe she was already deceased? Or did he have his number showing that time? Why the change if so?

I don't think Zellner will find any additive added to the blood vial with SAs blood in it. Tests on that were pretty good even way back in the OJ Simpson trial back in the 90s and used again in this case. I think the advanced test will just confirm the blood didn't have any additive added to it. It seems they thought the vial had been tampered with by the hole in the top but didn't the original nurse who drew his blood say she made that hole? I know she didn't testify but I am sure if there is a retrial they will call her this time since she is the one who said she made the hole in the top.

Also to me how could they find Teresa's DNA on the bullet when she was burned and the bones were severely fragmented and charred when they first came there. What kind of DNA was found of hers on the bullet?. How would LE be able to get her clean DNA with all the contaminates from the fire that would comingle?

I still don't see how the lawsuit would be where officers would want to frame him. Were there any officers at the scene who were also specifically listed as defendants in the lawsuit? I thought it was the DA and the Sheriff? Were both of them still on active duty when the lawsuit happened? The truth is he didn't have to settle the lawsuit at all. That was a choice he made. He could have the civil case ongoing even if he went to prison. Doesn't counties like this have liability insurance to cover lawsuits? And why would all involved in the TH investigation conspire with each other no matter the agency involved when some weren't even a part of the prior rape case? He was asking for that specific amount but there are no assurances he would have been awarded the full asking amount. I have seen others spend more years in prison that he did and they didn't get that kind of money.

I am not trying at all to change anyone's mind either but I do place a lot of importance on what he actually did that day and said. I do think he may have grounds for a retrial and if he gets one I don't have a problem with that. While the defense will do new testing so will the next DA who is on the retrial if it happens. Most of the time the second time around the advantage goes to the State more often. The thing is the 'framing and tainting' defense was entered way back during the trial so the two appellate courts who denied a new trial for SA knows all about the defense they used then and have used since then when they appealed the case twice.

Maybe I missed the answer to my previous question. I don't have a lot of extra time to go through all of the pages. But..........if Zellner does more testing and those results point directly at SA will she have to disclose those results if there is a new trial? What happens if the blood vial has no additive in it? Then how will the blood evidence found at the crime scene help him if it shows it is his own DNA and no evidence of tampering or additives exist?

The reason I asked over the years I have seen where the defense rarely forensically tests items in evidence even though they legally can do so and I believe the reason is if it came back against their client instead of pointing to someone else they would have to turn that over in discovery. The DA would already know about it though now that I think about it for Zellner will use those tests to ask for a new trial if the forensic evidence belongs to someone other than Avery and Dassey.