Zellner Tweets

  • #1,441
I do believe that KZ accomplishes what she wants every time she tweets.

3 days later and even after deleting it... people are still talking about it... [emoji3]
What's hilarious is that if a prosecutor was deleting tweets like the television show spokeswoman, most would have their hair on fire shouting cover-up and calling them unethical to anyone who would listen. That's absolutely hilarious.
 
  • #1,442
What's hilarious is that if a prosecutor was deleting tweets like the television show spokeswoman, most would have their hair on fire shouting cover-up and calling them unethical to anyone who would listen. That's absolutely hilarious.

yeah, that's hilarious :facepalm:
 
  • #1,443
What's hilarious is that if a prosecutor was deleting tweets like the television show spokeswoman, most would have their hair on fire shouting cover-up and calling them unethical to anyone who would listen. That's absolutely hilarious.

Television show spokeswoman LOL. Now that is hilarious.

I guess that is what you call someone who has dedicated their life to clearing the names of those wrongfully convicted.

Makes total sense why a good, honest and reasonable person wouldn't have respect for her.
 
  • #1,444
I just think KZ's tweets show confidence in what she is doing. She isn't giving out too much information about anything that i can see, and she knows people are waiting patiently to see what happens with all of it. But i know some just don't like her, so i guess the negativity is to be expected.

For some reason a capable lawyer who gets innocent people out of prison and puts guilty people in prison has enemies in this culture - I suppose it's painful to confront the fact that our justice system isn't perfect.
 
  • #1,445
There's the truth and then there's the "alternative facts" version.

Never any need to get riled up over the truth. IMO pile-ons indicate what is really going on.


Opinion: Zellner is very confident and her tweeting shows this.

Fact: Zellner has a habit of posting then quickly deleting multiple tweets (even pointed out on WS over the months by several people on Avery's side), leading to confusion by her followers and others on what the heck she's doing and why.

Zellner deleted all of her tweets, replies and retweets from 02/01/2016 through 06/13/2016, not only the ones related to the Avery case, but including the Avery case. She has deleted other tweets aside from those, several mentioned on WS in the Zellner thread.

Sources: Twitter & Websleuths
 
  • #1,446
Protess isn't a hugely successful Trial lawyer though, so i don't see the comparison?
And she isn't like Judge Judy, :)

Thank goodness she's not like Ken Kratz - not only a shameless self-promoter but a drug addict and sexual predator.
 
  • #1,447
Here are cases that Zellner took and did not win (or in a few cases her firm did not win). Her record isn't 17-0, while the 17 wins are correct and impressive, the '0' losses are not accurate.



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Chart source
 
  • #1,448
IANAL - in looking at the judgement in one of these cases I can't make heads or tails of whether the decision is a 'win' or 'loss':

"¶ 4 The defendant filed a timely appeal, arguing that (1) the trial court erred in entering a summary dismissal more than 90 days after the petition was filed and docketed, and (2) the petition had stated the gist of a constitutional claim and thus should have proceeded to the second stage of postconviction proceedings. As we find the defendant's first argument correct, we do not reach the second.

...

¶ 11 Both of the parties before us rely upon the above-quoted portion of Brooks. The defendant points to the supreme court's definition of the verb “to docket” as meaning “to enter the petition into the official record for further proceedings,” while the State relies on the supreme court's finding that, in that case, “docketing” occurred on the date when the clerk both “entered the petition into the case file and set it for a hearing.”
¶ 12 Brooks has been parsed and applied twice, both times contrary to the State's position here...

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¶ 17 For the foregoing reasons, the judgment of the circuit court of Du Page County is reversed and the cause is remanded for further proceedings.
¶ 18 Reversed and remanded. Presiding Justice BURKE and Justice ZENOFF concurred in the judgment and opinion.


https://casetext.com/case/people-v-lentz-7

It appears to me that the court is upholding the defense's interpretation of the law and not the State's.
 
  • #1,449
Here are cases that Zellner took and did not win (or in a few cases her firm did not win). Her record isn't 17-0, while the 17 wins are correct and impressive, the '0' losses are not accurate.



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Chart source

Actually, the fact is that no one here has ever claimed she has a 100% success rate. I see the chart you posted, but don't have time to fact check it since it is not an official resource. Have you fact checked it ? Every single case?
 
  • #1,450
Here are cases that Zellner took and did not win (or in a few cases her firm did not win). Her record isn't 17-0, while the 17 wins are correct and impressive, the '0' losses are not accurate.



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Chart source

IANAL - in looking at the judgement in one of these cases I can't make heads or tails of whether the decision is a 'win' or 'loss':

"¶ 4 The defendant filed a timely appeal, arguing that (1) the trial court erred in entering a summary dismissal more than 90 days after the petition was filed and docketed, and (2) the petition had stated the gist of a constitutional claim and thus should have proceeded to the second stage of postconviction proceedings. As we find the defendant's first argument correct, we do not reach the second.

...

¶ 11 Both of the parties before us rely upon the above-quoted portion of Brooks. The defendant points to the supreme court's definition of the verb “to docket” as meaning “to enter the petition into the official record for further proceedings,” while the State relies on the supreme court's finding that, in that case, “docketing” occurred on the date when the clerk both “entered the petition into the case file and set it for a hearing.”
¶ 12 Brooks has been parsed and applied twice, both times contrary to the State's position here...

...

¶ 17 For the foregoing reasons, the judgment of the circuit court of Du Page County is reversed and the cause is remanded for further proceedings.
¶ 18 Reversed and remanded. Presiding Justice BURKE and Justice ZENOFF concurred in the judgment and opinion.


https://casetext.com/case/people-v-lentz-7

It appears to me that the court is upholding the defense's interpretation of the law and not the State's.
Thank-you for taking the time to do this research. It appears that the list posted is not very accurate.
 
  • #1,451
Looking at another case on the list and having difficulty discovering what Zellner's alleged connection to it is.
 
  • #1,452
For some reason a capable lawyer who gets innocent people out of prison and puts guilty people in prison has enemies in this culture - I suppose it's painful to confront the fact that our justice system isn't perfect.
I'm a huge supporter of the Innocence Project and find it disgraceful that the United States does not have the world's highest population but DOES have more of our citizens incarcerated than any other nation in the world.

My issue with the spokeshole is that she ignored all of Avery's many pleas to her to take his case until after Netflix introduced the world to Steve Avery and she saw an opportunity to use him to capture the spotlight for herself.

I find her constant deleting of tweets to be unprofessional and manipulative; used to keep the fans of a TV show engaged. As pointed out months ago in this thread on a few different occasions her social media faux pas have come close to defaming a murder victim and her family.

I'd shine a light on the State's attorneys too if they behaved in a similar manner. My critique of her has nothing to do with who her client is and everything to do with her own behavior. If a prosecutor acted similar most of you would join me in calling out that behavior.
 
  • #1,453
Looking at another case on the list and having difficulty discovering what Zellner's alleged connection to it is.

me too! A few of them actually :thinking: The reddit post that Madeleine linked in her post, the poster in a comment did state Zellner or other lawyers in her firm, so maybe that's why.
 
  • #1,454
I'm a huge supporter of the Innocence Project and find it disgraceful that the United States does not have the world's highest population but DOES have more of our citizens incarcerated than any other nation in the world.

My issue with the spokeshole is that she ignored all of Avery's many pleas to her to take his case until after Netflix introduced the world to Steve Avery and she saw an opportunity to use him to capture the spotlight for herself.

I find her constant deleting of tweets to be unprofessional and manipulative; used to keep the fans of a TV show engaged. As pointed out months ago in this thread on a few different occasions her social media faux pas have come close to defaming a murder victim and her family.

I'd shine a light on the State's attorneys too if they behaved in a similar manner. My critique of her has nothing to do with who her client is and everything to do with her own behavior. If a prosecutor acted similar most of you would join me in calling out that behavior.

Do you really believe that all the people that are still interested in this case over a year later are "fans of a Netflix show"? (which would include yourself, considering you are still here posting) You do know that some people that show interest in the case have never even watched it, right? Or watched it long after reading the documents that have been released.

So do you shine a light on the highly unsubstantiated claims that were made by the prosecuting attorney in the March 2006 press conference he held? I found that highly unprofessional and manipulative too, and was used to taint the public's opinion before it even went to trial. JMO
 
  • #1,455
Actually, the fact is that no one here has ever claimed she has a 100% success rate. I see the chart you posted, but don't have time to fact check it since it is not an official resource. Have you fact checked it ? Every single case?
Agree😊

Who said she had a 17-0 record?
Unless I missed something.

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  • #1,456
There's the truth and then there's the "alternative facts" version.

Never any need to get riled up over the truth. IMO pile-ons indicate what is really going on.


Opinion: Zellner is very confident and her tweeting shows this.

Fact: Zellner has a habit of posting then quickly deleting multiple tweets (even pointed out on WS over the months by several people on Avery's side), leading to confusion by her followers and others on what the heck she's doing and why.

Zellner deleted all of her tweets, replies and retweets from 02/01/2016 through 06/13/2016, not only the ones related to the Avery case, but including the Avery case. She has deleted other tweets aside from those, several mentioned on WS in the Zellner thread.

Sources: Twitter & Websleuths
Thank you for the opinion vs fact information😉
I suppose we will all just have to wait and see😊

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  • #1,457
yeah, that's hilarious :facepalm:
I guess I have lost my sense of humor because I didn't find tweeting & deleting on one's own twitter page hilarious😀

I DO also put a lot of faith in Zellner from past cases she's won, interviews she's done ( Newsweek, Oprah, etc ) and the fact that in the last 20 years, she's righted more wrongful convictions than any private attorney in America.

I suppose we wait😉

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  • #1,458
I do believe that KZ accomplishes what she wants every time she tweets.

3 days later and even after deleting it... people are still talking about it... [emoji3]
Every time😉

She knows what she's doing😊

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  • #1,459
Don't worry, she'll be fine. :)
I think that is what intimidates some😉

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  • #1,460
Yes, the way people have been piling on Zellner over her tweets does tell a story, as well as the tasteless name-calling directed at her.
 

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