Zellner Tweets

[missy1974]

Yep, that is my guess too shadowraiths..... and maybe she has some people that are repeatedly sending her emails? But the "day job" thing made me think it is CB too ;-)

 

[Limaes]

If SA was such a DANGEROUS crook, WHY, did they wait and conduct a couple of searches then go back and look for firearms? Sure, they found bullet casings/shells, I get it. BUT, you've got all these officers, in this small trailer, a couple of times now & KNOWING SA is a convicted felon, wouldn't they have noticed the guns right away and hauled him off then?? I mean, they hated him so much,

Exactly! If they were out to get him, why didn't they arrest him straight away?



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[shadowraiths]

Exactly! If they were out to get him, why didn't they arrest him straight away?

Well, you can't arrest someone unless you have a legal reason to do so. Thinking he was dangerous is one thing. Having the legal proof to support said belief, is another.

I recall a case of an individual whom, in that case, I spoke with their local LE regarding my concern that they were dangerous, due to a number of behaviors in conjunction with the fact the individual had a firearm and had, on occasion implied, they would use it. LE reminded me that, while I may very well be right, they cannot arrest someone for something they "might do." This individual did end up being arrested nearly a year later. Thank goodness no one was hurt in the process.

Anyway, the point here is, even if LE thought SA was very dangerous, there would be nothing they could due until after the fact.

 

[Limaes]

Well, you can't arrest someone unless you have a legal reason to do so. Thinking he was dangerous is one thing. Having the legal proof to support said belief, is another.

I recall a case of an individual whom, in that case, I spoke with their local LE regarding my concern that they were dangerous, due to a number of behaviors in conjunction with the fact the individual had a firearm and had, on occasion implied, they would use it. LE reminded me that, while I may very well be right, they cannot arrest someone for something they "might do." This individual did end up being arrested nearly a year later. Thank goodness no one was hurt in the process.

Anyway, the point here is, even if LE thought SA was very dangerous, there would be nothing they could due until after the fact.

He was not allowed to be in posession of a firearm. Thats a legal reason to arrest him.

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[shadowraiths]

He was not allowed to be in posession of a firearm. Thats a legal reason to arrest him.

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Great catch. I totally forgot about that salient point.

 

[HastingsChi]

I'm guessing she was referring to this guy.

Steven Avery supporter goes all in

GREEN BAY - The reaction by many of those who were outraged by the docu-series "Making a Murderer" began and ended at the keyboard, with harsh online postings and biting remarks.

Not so for 22-year-old Curtis Busse of Green Bay, who has built an online space for Steven Avery supporters and has turned his interest in the case into a 24/7 cause. He has no ties to the Avery family. He derives no income from his efforts. And he quit his job to do this full-time.​

Crowdfunding is the online version of three card Monte, shell game, Münchausen by internet, etc.

On so many of these sites the person running the fundraising effort can almost literally start using the funds the second a person contributes to the campaign; you think you're contributing to one thing while the person running the campaign is using your money to pay for their Starbucks or whatever. With the exception of Kickstarter, almost none of these sites have accountability measures in place to insure that stated promises are fulfilled and the funds are going to the stated goal of the campaign. These sites don't have basic verification tools in place; literally anyone could start a campaign with a stated goal of helping exonerate Steven Avery, watch the funds roll in, give a dollar to Zellner's fund and use the rest of the money on themselves.

Crowdfunding is something that is a positive thing on the surface but has morphed into a playground for scammers. It's disgusting.

 

[zerbert]

I don't think she was referring to Busse.

http://www.thewrap.com/from-making-...a-redditor-who-quit-his-job-to-solve-murders/

 

[missy1974]

Crowdfunding is the online version of three card Monte, shell game, Münchausen by internet, etc.

On so many of these sites the person running the fundraising effort can almost literally start using the funds the second a person contributes to the campaign; you think you're contributing to one thing while the person running the campaign is using your money to pay for their Starbucks or whatever. With the exception of Kickstarter, almost none of these sites have accountability measures in place to insure that stated promises are fulfilled and the funds are going to the stated goal of the campaign. These sites don't have basic verification tools in place; literally anyone could start a campaign with a stated goal of helping exonerate Steven Avery, watch the funds roll in, give a dollar to Zellner's fund and use the rest of the money on themselves.

Crowdfunding is something that is a positive thing on the surface but has morphed into a playground for scammers. It's disgusting.

I'm not sure what that has to do with Curtis Busse? He is a young man that quit his job and is devoting all his time to .... I'm not sure exactly LOL.... but as far as I know, he does not solicit funds from anyone. He admins this facebook page https://www.facebook.com/Steven-Avery-Project-161414550884179/timeline

There has been a few sites, but they have since been shut down, that were soliciting funds in the names of SA/BD. Again, was a good reason for KZ to tweet about the legal fund last week, right? Nowadays, there are always scammers out there, usually after tragic circumstances, unfortunately it's the world we live in now, but people do have to take personal responsibility and due diligence before donating to any person/organization.

The only major crowdfunding campaign that I saw going on was to get all the transcripts/exhibits/motions/photo's.... which cost over 9K IIRC, which included hosting the site where they are all uploaded. http://www.stevenaverycase.org/about/

 

[shadowraiths]

I don't think she was referring to Busse.

http://www.thewrap.com/from-making-...a-redditor-who-quit-his-job-to-solve-murders/

Totally forgot about this guy. lol

 

[HastingsChi]

I'm not sure what that has to do with Curtis Busse? He is a young man that quit his job and is devoting all his time to .... I'm not sure exactly LOL.... but as far as I know, he does not solicit funds from anyone. He admins this facebook page https://www.facebook.com/Steven-Avery-Project-161414550884179/timeline

There has been a few sites, but they have since been shut down, that were soliciting funds in the names of SA/BD. Again, was a good reason for KZ to tweet about the legal fund last week, right? Nowadays, there are always scammers out there, usually after tragic circumstances, unfortunately it's the world we live in now, but people do have to take personal responsibility and due diligence before donating to any person/organization.

The only major crowdfunding campaign that I saw going on was to get all the transcripts/exhibits/motions/photo's.... which cost over 9K IIRC, which included hosting the site where they are all uploaded. http://www.stevenaverycase.org/about/

I don't even know who Curtis Busse is.

Just a general rant about crowdfunding being a scammers paradise

 

[Jaiddie]

Not sure if this is the place for this, as it is not exactly about a Zellner tweet, per se. It kinda fits with some her tweets tho, stating about SA exoneration and finding the real killer. For anyone that doubts that she can absolutely do this, I just watched this episode of 20/20 that features one of the people she was able to get exonerated AND she did in fact find evidence that pointed to the real killer. After watching this, and other shows that show her in action, I have no doubts in my mind that there should be some very scared people in Manitowoc and Calamet Counties right about now. :scared:

[video=youtube;nqxISPAzAvI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=nqxISPAzAvI&app=desktop[/video]

 

[Limaes]

Not sure if this is the place for this, as it is not exactly about a Zellner tweet, per se. It kinda fits with some her tweets tho, stating about SA exoneration and finding the real killer. For anyone that doubts that she can absolutely do this, I just watched this episode of 20/20 that features one of the people she was able to get exonerated AND she did in fact find evidence that pointed to the real killer. After watching this, and other shows that show her in action, I have no doubts in my mind that there should be some very scared people in Manitowoc and Calamet Counties right about now. :scared:

[video=youtube;nqxISPAzAvI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=nqxISPAzAvI&app=desktop[/video]

My opinion of Zellner has never been lower. Getting a violent repeat offender and liar to sign a sworn statement saying he lied at trial is not proving her client is innocent. To make things worse, she blames a dead guy who obviously can't defend himself which further torments his family. Does she get some kind of kick out of bringing misery to grieving families?



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[BigCityAccountant]

My opinion of Zellner has never been lower. Getting a violent repeat offender and liar to sign a sworn statement saying he lied at trial is not proving her client is innocent. To make things worse, she blames a dead guy who obviously can't defend himself which further torments his family. Does she get some kind of kick out of bringing misery to grieving families?



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I remember this case. The families were close and they grew apart because of the tension between the families. Brian's dad died in 2014 and his mother died in 2009. I remember hearing somewhere--of course I can't find it now that the Carrick family stopped shopping across the street at Val's. The Casciaro family owned the grocery store across the street from the Carrick home where Brian worked.

 

[Justiceseeker35]

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I take it to mean.. While we are all playing clue, she's already won the game. :drumroll:

I'm just waiting for the big reveal.

 

[Jaiddie]

My opinion of Zellner has never been lower. Getting a violent repeat offender and liar to sign a sworn statement saying he lied at trial is not proving her client is innocent. To make things worse, she blames a dead guy who obviously can't defend himself which further torments his family. Does she get some kind of kick out of bringing misery to grieving families?



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She did much more, IMO, than just get someone to say they lied at trial. She also managed to get to the fact that the only blood found at the crime scene belonged to the victim and Render. Just because someone has passed and a family is grieving that death does not mean that the person in question could not also still be guilty of the crime accused, just because they are not here to defend themselves now. From the looks of the few brief snips of video of Render answering the questions put to him by investigators, he was all over the place with his answers. And yes, by pointing out that the only blood found at the scene was the victim's and someone else entirely different than her client, coupled with the fact that she got a sworn statement from the ONLY supposed eyewitness (stating he lied at trial because he was "forced" to by prosecution) DOES point to her client's innocence, IMVHO. It would seem that the courts would agree because she was able to get her client exonerated in the end.

 

[missy1974]

Thanks for the video Jaiddie... I just watched it! As for the "liar" recanting his testimony.... he was a criminal and a liar before he testified, and he had a lot to gain by being a "liar" in the trial. He had zero to gain by recanting his testimony IMO If a known criminal and liar can't ever be believed, then his testimony shouldn't have been taken as credible either, and I'm guessing may be part of the reason why the conviction was overturned. I looked for the judgement online, but couldn't find it (didn't look too hard lol).

KZ tweeted a few weeks ago that Mario was accepted to law school.

 

[Limaes]

I remember this case. The families were close and they grew apart because of the tension between the families. Brian's dad died in 2014 and his mother died in 2009. I remember hearing somewhere--of course I can't find it now that the Carrick family stopped shopping across the street at Val's. The Casciaro family owned the grocery store across the street from the Carrick home where Brian worked.

Yes, Brian's parents have both passed. Sadly, they were never able to get his body and lay him to rest. Like them, I do believe Mario knows where it is.

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[BigCityAccountant]

Yes, Brian's parents have both passed. Sadly, they were never able to get his body and lay him to rest. Like them, I do believe Mario knows where it is.

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I have always felt that if he wasn't directly involved that he knew what was going on. It just burned me watching that 20/20 episode because he was so very arrogant. I hope if anything good can come out of such tragedy (wrongful conviction and death of Brian) that we might see a little softer side of him.

Yes, it is sad they were never able to give him a proper burial, and that did bother his dad a lot. He wasn't an angry guy--he just wanted to give his son a proper burial. But the good news is that they should all be together now! He has I think 14 siblings, maybe one day they will find him and give him the proper burial he deserves.

 

[Limaes]

She did much more, IMO, than just get someone to say they lied at trial. She also managed to get to the fact that the only blood found at the crime scene belonged to the victim and Render. Just because someone has passed and a family is grieving that death does not mean that the person in question could not also still be guilty of the crime accused, just because they are not here to defend themselves now. From the looks of the few brief snips of video of Render answering the questions put to him by investigators, he was all over the place with his answers. And yes, by pointing out that the only blood found at the scene was the victim's and someone else entirely different than her client, coupled with the fact that she got a sworn statement from the ONLY supposed eyewitness (stating he lied at trial because he was "forced" to by prosecution) DOES point to her client's innocence, IMVHO. It would seem that the courts would agree because she was able to get her client exonerated in the end.

No she didn't. As usual, she didn't find anything LE didn't already know. She was claiming small sized,fecal stained underwear found in the ceiling of the girls bathroom belonged to Render. *rolls eyes*

And for all the jumping up and down by the morally outraged anti-Kratz posters, here we have Zellner, with knife in hand, actually re-enacting how Render slit the throat of Carrick, WITHOUT any evidence to back up her accusations. How's that for hypocrisy?



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[BigCityAccountant]

On another note, I think KZ was referring to all the people who must be contacting her with clues. I had read on one reddit post, they were going to contact her. I can only imagine how many others have done the same. She must be inundated with calls, emails, letters, etc.