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[dexter75]

Oh dexter! I am so sorry about Sierah!
I've been following that case. ( that is one that has kept me up all night, for sure!). How terrifying was that perp? Can't believe what they found at his place! Looks like Seirah stopped a serial killer, (tragically, with her life.).

She had an indescribably lovely smile, to go with her beautiful name.

I feel so bad for Josh...and everyone who lost that vibrant young lady. (((((dex))))))

Thank you❤
The worst part , was having to explain to all of the CHILDREN ( some as young as 5 ) what happened.
Yep. Sucks. Scary knowing my family has been living 18 miles away from a potential serial killer.😔

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[Sinsaint]

This witness seems believable to me. It shows that TH was repulsed by SA coming out in only a towel. That's very understandable.

It also makes it believable to me that SA would use tactics in the future to disguise his identity in order for TH to come to him. JMO

Repulsed? They were giggling about it.

 

[CoolJ]

Agreed. I have never heard any female use the term "Eww" for anything other than dislike, creeped out, grossed out etc etc. If one of my friends said "Eww" in reference to a guy, I could turn to my other friend and say she was creeped out by him and not be lying. I have never heard it used as a sign of suprise. I think he knew she was creeped out too!

If she was truly "creeped out" she would not have gone there. They were laughing about it. Not that big a deal

 

[Karinna]

Yes you do. Please be careful, BCA.

I have lost many dear to me. We have talked about this =(

As far as blaming any victim, Sierah Joughin, her brother & mother are part of our martial arts family and have been for years.
She was only 20, abducted & murdered. Her case is discussed here on WS ( flashing across the top for weeks now )

I would NEVER in a million years blame a victim of anything, for what's happened to them.
Good luck chatting with your boss!

OMG Dexter, I'm so sorry to hear about you having to go through that, in knowing Sierah and her mother and brother. I followed Sierah's case when it was first on here and still read there sometimes, absolutely heartbreaking and incomprehensible, there are no words really

 

[Karinna]

Agreed. I have never heard any female use the term "Eww" for anything other than dislike, creeped out, grossed out etc etc. If one of my friends said "Eww" in reference to a guy, I could turn to my other friend and say she was creeped out by him and not be lying. I have never heard it used as a sign of suprise. I think he knew she was creeped out too!

And people say Ewwww if someone farts too. No big deal.

 

[Sinsaint]

I would agree with you but for the fact that Websleuths has many threads where women where not cautious and it cost them their lives.

I think that TH was being cautious and that's why SA (possibly) lured her to her death. JMO

Let's assume you are correct. TH was repulsed by this incident and no longer wanted to go out there. There is zero indication this conversation went any further than the two women. DP (nor anyone else at AT) ever called SA to inform him TH was uncomfortable doing business with him or that she didn't want to go out there anymore. As far as SA was aware her last visit went perfectly fine as she was there, took the pictures, ad got posted and he never received any complaints. There is nothing to indicate SA had any reason to think he'd need to lure her that day to get her to come out.

 

[dexter75]

Fascinating conjecture... How was he planning to make his voice sound female?

If I may..
Excellent point!
So, if he were " luring " her there, lets say she answered that * 67 call, then what? How WOULD he disguise his voice?

 

[IDK]

Teresa wasn't with a group of girls when this strange occurrence happened. She was alone. I don't blame her for being afraid of Steven Avery. JMO

I don't know. I have a middle aged male neighbor who walks around his yard in a Speedo swimsuit. I always think "eeewwwww" to myself, but I am not afraid of him. So I just don't see how one can make a logical leap from "eeww" to "afraid".

Edited to add: If anything, I think my neighbor is pathetic, not frightening!

 

[Karinna]

Let's assume you are correct. TH was repulsed by this incident and no longer wanted to go out there. There is zero indication this conversation went any further than the two women. DP (nor anyone else at AT) ever called SA to inform him TH was uncomfortable doing business with him or that she didn't want to go out there anymore. As far as SA was aware her last visit went perfectly fine as she was there, took the pictures, ad got posted and he never received any complaints. There is nothing to indicate SA had any reason to think he'd need to lure her that day to get her to come out.

Why would Avery need to lure TH to the property at all when she had an appointment to go there that day to photograph the vehicle?

 

[Sinsaint]

Why would Avery need to lure TH to the property at all when she had an appointment to go there that day to photograph the vehicle?

He wouldn't have but for whatever reason people still want to cling to this idea even though there is zero evidence to support the idea.

 

[IDK]

He wouldn't have but for whatever reason people still want to cling to this idea even though there is zero evidence to support the idea.

I guess those who believe SA is guilty think he had evil intent in hiring TH to take a picture. They surmise that he planned to seduce TH when she arrived at the salvage yard. She rebuffed his advances and he went crazy and murdered her. Of course I personally don't believe this theory which is why I am here. But those who believe SA to be guilty use this hearsay evidence (since it wasn't admitted as testimony, I guess it would be considered hearsay) to back up their theory. IMO only.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Agreed. I have never heard any female use the term "Eww" for anything other than dislike, creeped out, grossed out etc etc. If one of my friends said "Eww" in reference to a guy, I could turn to my other friend and say she was creeped out by him and not be lying. I have never heard it used as a sign of suprise. I think he knew she was creeped out too!

Ok, Limaes to drive the point home.

One Saturday morning while at work, I walked in on a same sex couple having sex in the women's bathroom. Both parties were not women. I said Eww, turned around and walked out. I was not creeped out~~~I WAS however surprised! Our company moved shortly thereafter. Another time, I was doing a tax return for a male individual and in his tax documents were pictures of other males (of the type). I said Eww, went and washed my hand....I was not creeped out...however, I WAS surprised....and all you guys thought tax work was boring...LOL

 

[missy1974]

Ok, Limaes to drive the point home.

One Saturday morning while at work, I walked in on a same sex couple having sex in the women's bathroom. Both parties were not women. I said Eww, turned around and walked out. I was not creeped out~~~I WAS however surprised! Our company moved shortly thereafter. Another time, I was doing a tax return for a male individual and in his tax documents were pictures of other males (of the type). I said Eww, went and washed my hand....I was not creeped out...however, I WAS surprised....and all you guys thought tax work was boring...LOL

Lets expand on that.

I was very lucky to never have walked in on my parents having sex..... but just the thought makes me go EWWWWWWWWWWW LOL It, however, does not make me afraid of them LOL

Like I said last night, I doubt there are many (especially here) that would want to see SA in a towel, regardless of his history, it's just uhmm EWWW LOL

 

[Safeguard]

I have noticed that those who are of the "SA is guilty, they proved it" mind set, largely base that opinion on what KK presented. They love to claim that we base our opinion on what the documentarians presented in MAM....


If I had to choose which of those sources were more creditable...:thinking:

And what do the He's Guilty people use most?

Things like:

Ewwww...
*68
*fluffy pink fake handcuffs, (we actually don't hear that one too much any more).
Last person to see her...
Jody said so...
and my personal favorite...Just look at him! ( character)

I am SO looking forward to Zellner doing what she does best!

 

[Madeleine74]

Trial testimony is where it's at, not a biased one-sided documentary with haunting music.

The trial is where the defense got to present their theories and the state presented their evidence. It's what the appeals court uses to determine error based on the briefs submitted by the appellate lawyer(s).

Tweets matter not. Speculation matters not.

The trial record, the law, the application of the law, the jury, the circuit court and supreme court judges -- those matter.

 

[Safeguard]

Trial testimony is where it's at, not a biased one-sided documentary with haunting music.

The trial is where the defense got to present their theories and the state presented their evidence. It's what the appeals court uses to determine error based on the briefs submitted by the appellate lawyer(s).



Tweets matter not. Speculation matters not.

The trial record, the law, the application of the law, the jury, the circuit court and supreme court judges -- those matter.

"I was an FBI Agent for 25 years and came to love the discipline and challenge of complicated investigations. My professional resume is available on my website:
(http://gmancasefile.com/steve-moore.html). Following my “retirement,” I began to work professionally on cases of –mainly international— wrongful convictions and imprisonment. I am also a CNN crime commentator, author and writer."

"To be clear, I am certain about some things, because they are self-evident and do not require scientific confirmation. I believe that the evidence provided in the documentary is conclusive proof (at least in my professional opinion) that the prosecution of Steven Avery was conducted by an unscrupulous prosecutor more concerned about a conviction than he was the truth."~Steve Moore

"Why am I writing these?" "I want to know the truth."

http://gmancasefile.com/moore-to-th...riting-these-articles-on-the-avery-case-steve

The documentary showed footage of things that actually happened. I don't care how they spliced and diced, or how haunting the music, the facts remain...facts. And the actual trial transcripts support those facts.

( At first, I really wanted SA to be guilty, and Brendan too! because, if not...OMG How horrible is this? It shakes your faith in everything Good and Holy).

 

[krkrjx]

"I was an FBI Agent for 25 years and came to love the discipline and challenge of complicated investigations. My professional resume is available on my website:
(http://gmancasefile.com/steve-moore.html). Following my “retirement,” I began to work professionally on cases of –mainly international— wrongful convictions and imprisonment. I am also a CNN crime commentator, author and writer."

"To be clear, I am certain about some things, because they are self-evident and do not require scientific confirmation. I believe that the evidence provided in the documentary is conclusive proof (at least in my professional opinion) that the prosecution of Steven Avery was conducted by an unscrupulous prosecutor more concerned about a conviction than he was the truth."~Steve Moore

"Why am I writing these?" "I want to know the truth.

http://gmancasefile.com/moore-to-th...riting-these-articles-on-the-avery-case-steve

The problem I have is I want him to stay in prison if he is guilty--not just a guilty verdict based on evidence that might not be true, but actual evidence that proves something. We don't know if there is any actual evidence because we have no way at this point to know if any of the evidence resulting from the investigation can be validated. The people involved had possible motive to do something underhanded and therefore were/are questionable. I do not want to see a guilty man go free but I would prefer it over seeing an innocent man remain incarcerated. And as far as I can tell, SA has not yet been proven guilty. The verdict is flawed as it came from a trial that was flawed because it was based on an investigation that was flawed. My opinion, but apparently not mine alone.

 

[Madeleine74]

Will the appellate court or supreme court be watching MaM to decide the outcome of the appeal?

Will the appellate court or supreme court consider the sexting shenanigans of KK to determine an outcome in the appeal?

Did the appellate court find the prosecutor to be unscrupulous and overturn SA's conviction?

The answer to all those questions is: no.

What errors were made during the trial by the trial judge?

What evidence shows (not *might eventually show*) that SA is innocent? (The legal burden is on him now to prove that).

That's what matters. Not cutesy tweets and insinuations.

Show the evidence that proves planting. Show the evidence that proves framing. Show the evidence that proves innocence (since that is now the legal burden on the convicted).

 

[IDK]

^^ That is where KZ and her team come in. The documentary was created to draw attention to the possible injustices inflicted on Brendan and Steven, and now KZ is working to disprove the validity of the evidence , investigators and witnesses in Steven's case. Time will tell.

Edited to add: considering Brendan's conviction has been overturned, looks like we are off to a good start. One for one.

 

[Madeleine74]

Yes time will tell.

As of right now, this minute, there is no actual proof of any wrongdoing, framing, planting. Lots and lots of speculation that it had to have occurred. Lots of speculation pointing to anyone else killing TH. Many theories and twist & turns.

But proof?

As of right now, nothing (yet).

The supreme court will not listen to speculation or theories or whatifs. They are more binary: in essence, put up or shut up.