Zellner Tweets

[Jaiddie]

Is anyone else worried about the evidence? We've already seen how "securely" it was sealed and protected from MaM. I wouldn't be surprised if evidence disappeared or was tampered with before KZ is given access to it for testing (if it hasn't already).
JMO, MOO, etc

There have already been photos showed of a producer from the 'Murder Made Me Famous' series holding the key up for the camera's without the use of gloves recently, so yeah, very worried about the integrity of the "evidence" that Zellner will be testing.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

There have already been photos showed of a producer from the 'Murder Made Me Famous' series holding the key up for the camera's without the use of gloves recently, so yeah, very worried about the integrity of the "evidence" that Zellner will be testing.

That bears a question? I don't recall. What evidence did the judge state had to be kept? ..and since I'm an accountant and not a lawyer..LOL Does the state have a requirement to keep all evidence until all the appeals are exhausted? When is it typically turned back over to the loved ones? For example, the RAV4, does that ever get turned back over to the family? At that point, does the family even want it back? Just asking because I do not know.

 

[krkrjx]

Or... those links could be added to the vitally important,'Steven Avery A Sex Symbol' thread.

I'm still in the I can't believe we have a thread called that phase.

:facepalm:

 

[krkrjx]

Yes, inmates do lie. Including SA. Have never heard of an innocent person being concerned they would be snitched on.

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An innocent person in a situation such as SA's would be very concerned that someone might be planted to "snitch" even if there is nothing to snitch about. IOW, a person could be planted to claim he told them this or that. That's what KZ meant. But something tells me you already know this.

 

[missy1974]

I'm still in the I can't believe we have a thread called that phase.

:facepalm:

to be fair.... it was off topic in another thread so a mod (I think shadowraiths) pulled some posts and made a new thread.

 

[krkrjx]

to be fair.... it was off topic in another thread so a mod (I think shadowraiths) pulled some posts and made a new thread.

I was not claiming it was unfair, only that it made me LOL when I first saw it and I still chuckle at the concept.

 

[dexter75]

Under the orders of who?

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Who do you think?

 

[dexter75]

I know right?! I mean come on, inmates are the most trustworthy citizens society has to offer! They would never lie in exchange for reduced time, or other bennies...I am quite sure that never happens right?

NEVER...geesh.
Corruption, what kind of world do you think we live in?:crazy:

 

[dexter75]

Is anyone else worried about the evidence? We've already seen how "securely" it was sealed and protected from MaM. I wouldn't be surprised if evidence disappeared or was tampered with before KZ is given access to it for testing (if it hasn't already).
JMO, MOO, etc

YES!!

I don't think you & I are alone in feeling this way, either, scared. ( may I call you this for short? )

This has been on my mind from the get go!

Hopefully, Zellner is wise enough ( she is ) & has the experts ( she does ) handy to some how evaluate whether said evidence has been altered/tampered with BEFORE she even attempts to start testing. Does that make sense? Sometimes things do in MY head, however, putting them into words these days:gaah:

Keeping my fingers crossed nonetheless.

Welcome welcome welcome scaredtopost! I've seen ya here & there, yet haven't " officially " said hello.

HELLO & KEEP POSTING! I love reading other's perspective's on this case, even if I don't agree with what's posted.
:welcome4:

 

[missy1974]

A few tweets from today:




The 2nd one links to this article:
http://www.sheboyganpress.com/story...avery-strategy-risky-but-payoff-big/89669586/

The 1st one, I am not sure who she is talking about.

 

[scaredtopost]

YES!!

I don't think you & I are alone in feeling this way, either, scared. ( may I call you this for short? )

This has been on my mind from the get go!

Hopefully, Zellner is wise enough ( she is ) & has the experts ( she does ) handy to some how evaluate whether said evidence has been altered/tampered with BEFORE she even attempts to start testing. Does that make sense? Sometimes things do in MY head, however, putting them into words these days:gaah:

Keeping my fingers crossed nonetheless.

Welcome welcome welcome scaredtopost! I've seen ya here & there, yet haven't " officially " said hello.

HELLO & KEEP POSTING! I love reading other's perspective's on this case, even if I don't agree with what's posted.
:welcome4:

Sorry for the late reply. But thank you for your thoughts. Call me scared anytime lol (I joined b/c of Maura Murray and there were some mean a$$ people on that thread if you dared to consider she met with foul play). Thanks for the warm welcome

 

[IDK]

A few tweets from today:

The 2nd one links to this article:
http://www.sheboyganpress.com/story...avery-strategy-risky-but-payoff-big/89669586/

The 1st one, I am not sure who she is talking about.

Wow.
"Nigro said he's troubled by the narrative that Calumet and Manitowoc county deputies put forth a minimal effort to explore other possible suspects at the time of Halbach's disappearance, including her romantic acquaintances. Investigators also chose to disregard evidence that someone deleted several voicemail messages from Halbach's cellphone prior to her being reported missing on Nov. 3, 2005.

Nigro said he hopes that Zellner is also aggressively investigating suspicions of police misconduct and falsified evidence surrounding Avery's arrest and conviction. After all, Avery was embroiled in a $36 million wrongful conviction lawsuit against ex-Manitowoc County Sheriff Tom Kocourek after spending 18 years imprisoned for a wrongful rape conviction from 1985.
Nigro said the Wisconsin authorities only had "circumstantial evidence" pointing to Avery as a prime suspect.
"The idea that they would not have pursued other people is mind-boggling to me," Nigro said. "The idea you couldn't get details and check out the alibis, that's just shocking." "

Absolutely agree! That is Investigation 101! Oh wait.....

 

[Madeleine74]

I'd like to see who all detectives talked to, what dates, when, and how many times. I don't know that LE didn't look at anyone else, I mean people opine that, but is that true? Didn't they collect DNA from a bunch of people, including all or most of the Avery males? Didn't they talk to GZ, his wife and the other people TH was in contact with that day?

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I'd like to see who all detectives talked to, what dates, when, and how many times. I don't know that LE didn't look at anyone else, I mean people opine that, but is that true? Didn't they collect DNA from a bunch of people, including all or most of the Avery males? Didn't they talk to GZ, his wife and the other people TH was in contact with that day?

To my knowledge they only collected DNA from the Avery family. Since no one knows whether TH's last stop was GZ, his DNA should have been collected as well. To my knowledge that had not been done. Just because they talked to someone doesn't mean they investigated them as potential suspects. Heck I talked to our local police over at the convenience store the other day too, doesn't mean I was a suspect in any local criminal activity. Again, since GZ's could have been the last person who saw TH, he should have been treated as a potential suspect as well as several others who were non-business related. To see all the detectives, etc. etc. you just have to read the CASO reports and Manitowoc reports at stevenavery.org

Lastly, at the onset of Avery claiming he was being setup, MCSO should have all been called into a meeting and told "Hands Off", but instead they tried to strong arm SA~~saying that is ridiculous, how could we have done something like that, we could have easily have killed him instead of planting evidence. Had they said~~hey, wait a minute~~we don't want this to ever come back at us~~lets back off~~the evidence would have been found by Calumet and we all would not have the questions that we have today. Clearly, there was no leadership at the top in the MCSO.

 

[missy1974]

They did collect and compare (I think?) SB's DNA. I assumed it was because he was the room mate and not a suspect. If he was a suspect, they never treated him like one, and come to think of it, I don't recall ever seeing a search warrant for his DNA, so maybe he offered it up. In trial testimony it was clear that they didn't even interview SB and RH separately. I am also pretty sure that in testimony it was also brought up that loved ones, room mates, boyfriends, ex-bf's are usually investigated (those of us that follow cases, know this though, right?). They did do a few interviews with BC, but IMO it left me with a ton of questions afterwards and I don't recall seeing much follow up (alibi's, cell phone pings, etc.) Doesn't mean it doesn't exist, maybe we just don't have it yet.

The links to the transcripts are Stickied at the top of the forum, easy to find and of course www.stevenaverycase.org has the investigative reports that were released so far, and all DNA testing that was completed by SC.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

They did collect and compare (I think?) SB's DNA. I assumed it was because he was the room mate and not a suspect. If he was a suspect, they never treated him like one, and come to think of it, I don't recall ever seeing a search warrant for his DNA, so maybe he offered it up. In trial testimony it was clear that they didn't even interview SB and RH separately. I am also pretty sure that in testimony it was also brought up that loved ones, room mates, boyfriends, ex-bf's are usually investigated (those of us that follow cases, know this though, right?). They did do a few interviews with BC, but IMO it left me with a ton of questions afterwards and I don't recall seeing much follow up (alibi's, cell phone pings, etc.) Doesn't mean it doesn't exist, maybe we just don't have it yet.

The links to the transcripts are Stickied at the top of the forum, easy to find and of course www.stevenaverycase.org has the investigative reports that were released so far, and all DNA testing that was completed by SC.

I don't remember reading they collected SB's, do you have a link so I can go back and read that? You mean you don't have EVERYTHING on this case at your fingertips?? LOL Hope you are doing well!!

 

[missy1974]

I don't remember reading they collected SB's, do you have a link so I can go back and read that? You mean you don't have EVERYTHING on this case at your fingertips?? LOL Hope you are doing well!!

yeah, you are right, they didn't ... not sure why I thought they did .... shame on me for thinking they did something smart

I'm well, thanks Busy busy busy! :hug:

 

[Madeleine74]

To my knowledge they only collected DNA from the Avery family. Since no one knows whether TH's last stop was GZ, his DNA should have been collected as well. To my knowledge that had not been done. Just because they talked to someone doesn't mean they investigated them as potential suspects. Heck I talked to our local police over at the convenience store the other day too, doesn't mean I was a suspect in any local criminal activity. Again, since GZ's could have been the last person who saw TH, he should have been treated as a potential suspect as well as several others who were non-business related. To see all the detectives, etc. etc. you just have to read the CASO reports and Manitowoc reports at stevenavery.org

Lastly, at the onset of Avery claiming he was being setup, MCSO should have all been called into a meeting and told "Hands Off", but instead they tried to strong arm SA~~saying that is ridiculous, how could we have done something like that, we could have easily have killed him instead of planting evidence. Had they said~~hey, wait a minute~~we don't want this to ever come back at us~~lets back off~~the evidence would have been found by Calumet and we all would not have the questions that we have today. Clearly, there was no leadership at the top in the MCSO.

LE certainly could determine TH's movements that day based on her calls and appointments and interviews with those she met up with. Based on information they get from whoever they talk to, they see where it leads.

Are you really comparing a how-do-you-do social chat with someone in LE with LE asking questions of potential witnesses in a missing person case--->homicide case? I've spoken to detectives and LE too, but that had nothing to do with a missing person or homicide case. Not everyone who is talked to during the course of an investigation is considered a POI/suspect, even though some think that's how it works or should work.

<modsnip> One can only go where the evidence leads. TH's appointments and phone calls alone, without anything else being considered, showed her last verified sighting was at Avery Salvage Yard. When her phone received/sent its last transmission was at 2:41pm, when she was at Avery's Salvage Yard. How could they not look at the situation and see big flashing clues that placed TH at that yard?

The thing is: TH's remains were found in SA's burn pit. Should detectives have ignored that altogether? Is there a reason Avery should not have been considered a POI or suspect?

I'm not hung up on the optics of which county was where at what time. That's a bunch of red herrings because that's all about image, not substance. If the evidence checks out, if the evidence tests are valid, if there's enough evidence, then no surprise that a jury can get beyond reasonable doubt.

 

[missy1974]

LE certainly could determine TH's movements that day based on her calls and appointments and interviews with those she met up with. Based on information they get from whoever they talk to, they see where it leads.

Are you really comparing a how-do-you-do social chat with someone in LE with LE asking questions of potential witnesses in a missing person case--->homicide case? I've spoken to detectives and LE too, but that had nothing to do with a missing person or homicide case. Not everyone who is talked to during the course of an investigation is considered a POI/suspect, even though some think that's how it works or should work.

<modsnip> One can only go where the evidence leads. TH's appointments and phone calls alone, without anything else being considered, showed her last verified sighting was at Avery Salvage Yard. When her phone received/sent its last transmission was at 2:41pm, when she was at Avery's Salvage Yard. How could they not look at the situation and see big flashing clues that placed TH at that yard?

The thing is: TH's remains were found in SA's burn pit. Should detectives have ignored that altogether? Is there a reason Avery should not have been considered a POI or suspect?

I'm not hung up on the optics of which county was where at what time. That's a bunch of red herrings because that's all about image, not substance. If the evidence checks out, if the evidence tests are valid, if there's enough evidence, then no surprise that a jury can get beyond reasonable doubt.

BBM Do you have a link to that? Because we looked for months and only got the first clue in the lastest motion filed by KZ, and it was NOT Avery Salvage Yard.

Let's just say you are wrong and the last ping at 2:41pm was NOT at Avery Salvage Yard and that tower was not within reach of it. Now there is no big flashing clue, right? That flashing clue should turn to where her phone last pinged, right?

 

[Safeguard]

I think there are those who are just so emotionally invested in SA being guilty, that even when evidence to the contrary is as easy to see as the proverbial, "Side Of a Barn", they will still insist he is guilty.

When BCA first came here, she thought he was guilty, but I didn't get the sense that she was emotionally invested either way.Therefore, she was able to look at the whole situation objectively.

Some people will not be able to get beyond their emotional reaction to SA himself, his past ect... as well as their LE idolatry, (for some).

It was the same with the OJ Simpson trial, "Guilty? Not a good ol American football hero!" And with SA it's, "Innocent? Not that backwoods, cat killing, junkyard dog!
jmo