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[Madeleine74]

I specifically pointed out TH's last *verified sighting*. She was last seen at Avery's Salvage yard. I'm not talking about her phone, I'm talking about TH herself.

Her phone's last call/communication was verified at 2:41pm.

Should Avery's Salvage Yard have been ignored?

Her remains were found in SA's burn pit.

Should SA have been ignored as a POI/suspect since charred remains were found in his burn pit?

 

[Madeleine74]

I think there are those who are just so emotionally invested in SA being guilty, that even when evidence to the contrary is as easy to see as the proverbial, "Side Of a Barn", they will still insist he is guilty.

When BCA first came here, she thought he was guilty, but I didn't get the sense that she was emotionally invested either way.Therefore, she was able to look at the whole situation objectively.

Some people will not be able to get beyond their emotional reaction to SA himself, his past ect... as well as their LE idolatry, (for some).

It was the same with the OJ Simpson trial, "Guilty? Not a good ol American football hero!" And with SA it's, "Innocent? Not that backwoods, cat killing, junkyard dog!
jmo

That may apply to *some,* but it sure doesn't apply to me.

OJ? He was guilty. How do we know that? The blood trail that led right from the murder scene to inside his bedroom onto socks he was wearing. Blood that was identified as belonging to him all along the trail and leading right into his Bronco. Evidence, not "emotion." (BTW, OJ's team claimed blood was planted, evidence was planted, the glove was planted... sound familiar?)

Trying to use BCA's opinions on the SA case as some kind of proof of anything is ridiculous.

Show the evidence.

Not opinions, evidence.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I specifically pointed out TH's last *verified sighting*. She was last seen at Avery's Salvage yard. I'm not talking about her phone, I'm talking about TH herself.

Her phone's last call/communication was verified at 2:41pm.

Should Avery's Salvage Yard have been ignored?

Her remains were found in SA's burn pit.

Should SA have been ignored as a POI/suspect since charred remains were found in his burn pit?

That is incorrect. TH's last VERIFIED SIGHTING was at Zipperer's. GZ's wife said she was there around 3:00pm. Then changed it after their social chat, I mean suspect questioning. :facepalm:

No Avery's should not have been ignored, no one here is saying that. What people are saying is that it is POSSIBLE that LE planted the evidence and the FACT remains that is POSSIBLE they did.

In most of KZ's exoneration, the EVIDENCE pointed to the convicted innocent, that's why a jury of 12 convicted them in the first place. Did that make them guilty~~NO~~more evidence was presented AFTER THE FACT~~which showed they were not guilty. Just look at the Riley Fox case~~all the EVIDENCE that was presented to the jury pointed to Kevin Fox. This is the point we at here, waiting to see if more EVIDENCE is presented.

 

[Madeleine74]

Best to go with Mrs. GZ's sworn testimony as that's what the jury had to work with, that's what all the judges have to work with.

I'm waiting to see proof of planting. So far I haven't seen it and, in fact, have clarified many times that it's through the testing of items that any proof can be obtained, which is what Zellner will be doing (having items tested).

Safeguard claims proof already exists. I say great, then let's see it.

I haven't seen proof of planting yet, have you?

I'm all about the evidence in every case I follow.

It should be evidence that convicts someone of a crime, not emotion.

 

[Karinna]

Best to go with Mrs. GZ's sworn testimony as that's what the jury had to work with, that's what all the judges have to work with.

I'm waiting to see proof of planting. So far I haven't seen it and, in fact, have clarified many times that it's through the testing of items that any proof can be obtained, which is what Zellner will be doing (having items tested).

Safeguard claims proof already exists. I say great, then let's see it.

I haven't seen proof of planting yet, have you?

I'm all about the evidence in every case I follow.

It should be evidence that convicts someone of a crime, not emotion.

BBM, Can you prove to me conclusively that the bones found belong to TH with the evidence presented?

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Best to go with Mrs. GZ's sworn testimony as that's what the jury had to work with, that's what all the judges have to work with.

I'm waiting to see proof of planting. So far I haven't seen it and, in fact, have clarified many times that it's through the testing of items that any proof can be obtained, which is what Zellner will be doing (having items tested).

Safeguard claims proof already exists. I say great, then let's see it.

I haven't seen proof of planting yet, have you?

I'm all about the evidence in every case I follow.

It should be evidence that convicts someone of a crime, not emotion.

I can't just go with her sworn testimony~~people perjure themselves ALL the time, including unfortunately LE.

I haven't seen any evidence which shows conclusive proof of evidence planting~~however~~with that said I am waiting for it and IMHO~~do believe it is coming.

I do believe evidence can be withheld and evidence can be presented in a way that persuades a jury to either side. People often rush to judgement. That is why science is so critical to criminal cases.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

That may apply to *some,* but it sure doesn't apply to me.

OJ? He was guilty. How do we know that? The blood trail that led right from the murder scene to inside his bedroom onto socks he was wearing. Blood that was identified as belonging to him all along the trail and leading right into his Bronco. Evidence, not "emotion." (BTW, OJ's team claimed blood was planted, evidence was planted, the glove was planted... sound familiar?)

Trying to use BCA's opinions on the SA case as some kind of proof of anything is ridiculous.

Show the evidence.

Not opinions, evidence.

I'm waiting for evidence that shows Avery was framed by LE. Zellner's track record is not evidence. Posters opinions are not evidence. JMO

 

[Karinna]

I'm waiting for evidence that shows Avery was framed by LE. Zellner's track record is not evidence. Posters opinions are not evidence. JMO

For all that was so messed up in this investigation is there actually any real evidence? And posters IMO are just trying to put 2+2 together with what there is to = 4.

 

[missy1974]

For all that was so messed up in this investigation is there actually any real evidence? And posters IMO are just trying to put 2+2 together with what there is to = 4.

Right, and when you look at the reports and everything that we know, not much equals to 4, does it?

Like her phone for example.... how can TH be at Avery Salvage Yard at 2:41pm and her phone be near Whitelaw? What was it, 13.1 miles away (the closest point from Avery's that the tower would have picked up that ping)? How is that physically possible? Let's add to that..... SA's phone pinged a tower that he had been pinging all day at 2:35, it was physically impossible for him to have made it to the 13.1 mile Whitelaw ping from TH's phone in 6 minutes. Can't blame Brendan for this one, he was at school, so he didn't help.... so how do we explain it? This 2 + 2 scenario definitely does not equal 4 for me. JMO

I have read somewhere (I tried to find it and couldn't) since KZ filed her motion that Strang and/or Buting commented that they 'missed' the tower thing and they weren't perfect. It may have been a comment somewhere from someone that went to one of their Q&A sessions, so I will say JMO. Their first clue about the significance of the last tower ping should have been the moment that Kratz objected to tower info when Buting innocently asked a question during testimony from the Cingular employee. Makes me wonder if that information was in the pile of documents that the defense got and they just missed it? or if they never received it in the first place? JMO

 

[missy1974]

First sentence is awfully defensive. LOL!

I do believe we are still allowed to share our opinions on this site. However ridiculing other posters for their opinion is in poor form. Posting just to be contentious is an ugly character trait. imo adds nothing to the forum except to incite argument.

BCA is awesome.... her change in opinion is proof to me of the bias that LE/Kratz/media created around this case back in 2005-07. I think this is also evident in the few posters that we have here that are from the area and also say the same thing. Look around on other sites and you will see the same thing, most wouldn't say it to their neighbor though, right? lol IMO the one's that have changed their mind are well informed and have looked at all the evidence, and in some cases the lack of evidence (ex. bones).

 

[Jaiddie]

Best to go with Mrs. GZ's sworn testimony as that's what the jury had to work with, that's what all the judges have to work with.

I'm waiting to see proof of planting. So far I haven't seen it and, in fact, have clarified many times that it's through the testing of items that any proof can be obtained, which is what Zellner will be doing (having items tested).

Safeguard claims proof already exists. I say great, then let's see it.

I haven't seen proof of planting yet, have you?

I'm all about the evidence in every case I follow.

It should be evidence that convicts someone of a crime, not emotion.

For me, that investigation has more than enough already that shows something more was going on behind the scenes than just LE trying to find out the TRUTH of what happened to TH. We have COUNTLESS pieces of records that show faulty or outright incorrect information contained within them (TH death certificate, the log-in sheets of the crime scene that shows civilians being allowed in as well as LE doctoring the sheets to show an inaccurate time of signing in/out, the innumerable amounts of "typo's" or "incorrect database entries" that are contained in the paperwork of that investigation). There is more than enough actual documentation of planting in this case, IMO. We have the absolute tunnel-vision of LE targeting SA as the suspect as early as only an hour and a half after TH was reported missing, even though their own dispatch calls show them thinking that GZ was her last stop (not to mention the civilian woman that calls in saying she saw TH photographing a cow near Valders). There was no actual SERIOUS questioning of anyone, other than SA (and later BD), in that investigation. TH ex and her roommate were actually questioned TOGETHER! When has one ever heard of suspects in a homicide investigation being questioned in pairs, rather than separately so as to make it harder to corroborate each others stories? We have LE and officials DELIBERATELY ignoring and breaking protocol procedures in astounding ways. Yea, I am (like many are) anxiously awaiting Zellner's test results, because I cannot wait for the TRUTH to finally come out. But, I also have to say that I have already seen more than enough proof of planting that shows that (in this case) LE sure seem to be the ones that were covering their tracks (in a set up) and not so much SA (in a murder). I have a feeling that the results when they come back are just going to be the icing on the cake, for me. All JMO, of course.

 

[Hoosen_Fenger]

I love this site. I really do. The differences of opinion are obvious and let's face it, none of us know what actually happened that day....

But to correct a couple of things from above..... Steven Avery admitted himself that Teresa visited the salvage yard that day. He was the last person to see her alive, based upon his own admission.

For those that believe in a conspiracy, please, show some evidence. Not conjecture, not something that could have been the case. The facts are, there was no planting of evidence and the correct person is in prison for the Murder of Teresa. I'll concede that given the arguments people have made, Dassey clearly was bullied into joining in. The two out of three people that are still alive know exactly what happened that day. Avery deserves to rot in prison. My guess is that Dassey knows more than he lets on. For that, he needs to rot too, unless he comes clean with exactly what happened....

 

[Jaiddie]

I love this site. I really do. The differences of opinion are obvious and let's face it, none of us know what actually happened that day....

But to correct a couple of things from above..... Steven Avery admitted himself that Teresa visited the salvage yard that day. He was the last person to see her alive, based upon his own admission.

For those that believe in a conspiracy, please, show some evidence. Not conjecture, not something that could have been the case. The facts are, there was no planting of evidence and the correct person is in prison for the Murder of Teresa. I'll concede that given the arguments people have made, Dassey clearly was bullied into joining in. The two out of three people that are still alive know exactly what happened that day. Avery deserves to rot in prison. My guess is that Dassey knows more than he lets on. For that, he needs to rot too, unless he comes clean with exactly what happened....

I have never stated (above or anywhere else) that SA has ever denied that TH was there that day...just that it was her last stop and he was the last to person to see her. That has not been proven to my satisfaction, whatsoever. The complete opposite, in fact, IMO. I want to see the proof that the Avery's was her last stop, because I have not seen that proof yet. Even Zellner has stated that SA's was NOT her last stop, and she has evidence to prove that TH left there that day and that SA did not. So, again, I am just happily waiting for the day when Zellner brings out proof of what TRULY happened and, I can only hope, that the people responsible for that debacle of an investigation, trials, and convictions are finally held accountable. :crossfingers: JMO.

 

[missy1974]

Here is a fact: Both SA and JZ in statements said that TH was there around 2-2:30pm. JZ in her testimony, said it "could have been" later. We know that TH called Z's at 2:12, so we can assume it was not before 2:12pm. IMO JZ didn't want to commit to a time because she honestly didn't know, she was outside doing yard work, didn't look, and probably didn't care.

here are some relevant docs (keep in mind these were written by LE, including JZ's statement):
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...ial-Exhibit-28-Joellen-Zipperer-Statement.pdf
http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...-on-Avery-Interview-and-Consent-to-Search.pdf

with these *facts* I can see where she may have gone to Z's then A's, or A's then Z's. And it's very possible that she made it and left both Z's and A's and it's irrelevant which came first because somehow her phone was at Whitelaw at 2:41 which could indicate she was on her way home (back the way she came). JMO

 

[CoolJ]

I love this site. I really do. The differences of opinion are obvious and let's face it, none of us know what actually happened that day....

But to correct a couple of things from above..... Steven Avery admitted himself that Teresa visited the salvage yard that day. He was the last person to see her alive, based upon his own admission.

For those that believe in a conspiracy, please, show some evidence. Not conjecture, not something that could have been the case. The facts are, there was no planting of evidence and the correct person is in prison for the Murder of Teresa. I'll concede that given the arguments people have made, Dassey clearly was bullied into joining in. The two out of three people that are still alive know exactly what happened that day. Avery deserves to rot in prison. My guess is that Dassey knows more than he lets on. For that, he needs to rot too, unless he comes clean with exactly what happened....

How can the facts be that there was no planting of evidence and the correct person is in prison when you have readily admitted (in this very same post mind you) that "none of us know what happened that day"?

No those are not facts. THAT is conjecture.

 

[Safeguard]

How can the facts be that there was no planting of evidence and the correct person is in prison when you have readily admitted (in this very same post mind you) that "none of us know what happened that day"?

No those are not facts. THAT is conjecture.

But CoolJ, You know... The jury heard *evidence* and found him guilty. Just like in the PB rape trial. :thinking:

Those are the kind of "facts" some people feel are the only ones worth looking at.

Thank God Zellner and like-minded people everywhere know better.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

But CoolJ, You know... The jury heard *evidence* and found him guilty. Just like in the PB rape trial. :thinking:

Those are the kind of "facts" some people feel are the only ones worth looking at.

Thank God Zellner and like-minded people everywhere know better.

I ready and willing to look at all of the evidence. Especially any showing LE planted the evidence used in Avery's trial.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I love this site. I really do. The differences of opinion are obvious and let's face it, none of us know what actually happened that day....

But to correct a couple of things from above..... Steven Avery admitted himself that Teresa visited the salvage yard that day. He was the last person to see her alive, based upon his own admission.

For those that believe in a conspiracy, please, show some evidence. Not conjecture, not something that could have been the case. The facts are, there was no planting of evidence and the correct person is in prison for the Murder of Teresa. I'll concede that given the arguments people have made, Dassey clearly was bullied into joining in. The two out of three people that are still alive know exactly what happened that day. Avery deserves to rot in prison. My guess is that Dassey knows more than he lets on. For that, he needs to rot too, unless he comes clean with exactly what happened....

To my knowledge~~there is nothing on this site that tells us we can NOT post our opinions and can only post FACTS or evidence. To my knowledge, we just need to place "just my opinion" when we are not posting FACTS. Unless, I'm mistaken about that, correct me if I'm wrong.

In regard to your statement that he was the last person to see TH alive by his own admission....I'd like to ask how he would KNOW someone else saw her last? He admitted she was at the salvage yard, yes we all know that by his "admission" but we also know by his "admisssion" that she left the salvage yard and turned left onto 147.

 

[dexter75]

I've followed her case since she went missing & wow! Has it been over a decade already? The whole deal ( like any missing person's case ) just sucks! Her poor family, her friends. UGH. I used to read over on her page often. I hadn't picked up on the " attitude " over there. ( It's been forever since I visited though ) I have ENOUGH on my plate, for now.
Once I come to terms with Jacob Wetterlings passing & HIS perp gets what's coming to him, along with our own, Sierrah Joughin:tears: perhap's I'll get over there and get caught up! ( NOW the wheels in my head are turning, as I have ALWAYS thought she had met with foul play.:thinking: Once she left the scene of the crime, anyway )

Anyway, back on topic, ( whoops ) glad you joined and I hope you are comfy & cozy here!
Looking forward to how this will all come to a close, if only:crystalball:

Oh, and I'm usually ALWAYS late replying, too. No worries:blushing:

 

[dexter75]

Wow.
"Nigro said he's troubled by the narrative that Calumet and Manitowoc county deputies put forth a minimal effort to explore other possible suspects at the time of Halbach's disappearance, including her romantic acquaintances. Investigators also chose to disregard evidence that someone deleted several voicemail messages from Halbach's cellphone prior to her being reported missing on Nov. 3, 2005.

Nigro said he hopes that Zellner is also aggressively investigating suspicions of police misconduct and falsified evidence surrounding Avery's arrest and conviction. After all, Avery was embroiled in a $36 million wrongful conviction lawsuit against ex-Manitowoc County Sheriff Tom Kocourek after spending 18 years imprisoned for a wrongful rape conviction from 1985.
Nigro said the Wisconsin authorities only had "circumstantial evidence" pointing to Avery as a prime suspect.
"The idea that they would not have pursued other people is mind-boggling to me," Nigro said. "The idea you couldn't get details and check out the alibis, that's just shocking." "

Absolutely agree! That is Investigation 101! Oh wait.....

YEP..

If you hadn't posted this..:waitasec: lets just say you more than likely beat more than a few of us to it:cheers: