ZFG Civil Case: Casey's Deposition #2

[AZlawyer]

"I just went to look at an apartment and filled out an information card," Fernandez-Gonzalez said in an exclusive interview today with "GMA." "My suspicion is they probably gave her [Anthony] the information from the card."

The card included the names of two of her daughters and the make and color of her car, which is the same information that Anthony gave the police, said Fernandez-Gonzalez and her attorney John Morgan.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=5894719&page=1

Yes, this is what ZG and Morgan said, but it wasn't true. Casey didn't give police the names of ZG's daughters. Casey said ZG had no kids. The form didn't have the car info on it at all, and moreover Casey didn't give information about the car that matched ZG's information.

I don't know if this helps,but in this conversation between Nancy Grace and Keith Mitnik (ZFG Attorney) he tells Nancy that Zenaida had NY plates at the time... scroll about half way down the page.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/02/ng.01.html

It doesn't help me, because around the same time they were also saying that ZG's name was ZFG, that Casey had given LE the names of her kids, etc. They were obviously confused about the facts for quite a while.

We spent so long trying to figure it out...and couldn't. I doubt that Morgan would even be able to. The only person who knows is still not talking.

The big difference is that Morgan has subpoena power and we don't!

 

[Chilly Willy]

While reading through the Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgement it struck me that even the few things I believed Z(no F)G had in common with Casey's ZFG are not true. I believed the rumors that Z(no F)G was of mixed race. She is not. I believed both had ties to NY. They don't. It appears that there is only one thing that Z (no F) G and the 'nanny' have in common is a similar, but obviously different, name.

It doesn't look good for Z(no F)G that she told so many lies on the record. It also doesn't look good that she admitted no one recognized her or suspected her UNTIL after she put herself into the public eye to deny accusations that were never made. As I've said all along, I expect this case with be tossed out of court. I hate it that Morgan has created a situation in which Casey wins again.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

After reading Casey's latest court documents all I could do was sigh. As much as I want to see Casey finally have to pay for her actions, I can understand that it will probably not be accomplished through this avenue.

The documents were not only well written but made a heck of a lot of common sense.

The only argument I can have against them is that they say the plaintiff already has a bad reputation so there is no way that these events could have given her grief in that account.

Isn't that akin to saying that a prostitute can't be raped? Being questioned by police, as given in the examples cited, is small potatoes compared to being questioned about a child abduction/kidnapping/murder. It would have had a larger impact.

While her history indicates that she is not someone I want as my next door neighbor (which, I must admit, was an eye-opener for me) I still believe that she and her children did suffer repercussions because of Casey's accusations. All of her historical offenses seem to be edgy on life style choices but I don't see any that are related to those who seek their fortune by using the court to sue people.

But, as usual, Casey's defense team has found the avenue to not only protect their client but also make her appear the victim. Poor Casey. Didn't we all know that ZG set this all up from the get go just to make a little money?

 

[RR0004]

Yes, this is what ZG and Morgan said, but it wasn't true. Casey didn't give police the names of ZG's daughters. Casey said ZG had no kids. The form didn't have the car info on it at all, and moreover Casey didn't give information about the car that matched ZG's information.



It doesn't help me, because around the same time they were also saying that ZG's name was ZFG, that Casey had given LE the names of her kids, etc. They were obviously confused about the facts for quite a while.



The big difference is that Morgan has subpoena power and we don't!

But what could he possibly subpoena? Where would Morgan start?

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I know it's not a popular opinion, but I strongly feel that Z(no F)G and Morgan should be charged with fraud for the way they've attempted to deceive the court in the filing of this suit. I can accept that Morgan may have gotten one or two unimportant facts wrong, but he got EVERYTHING wrong. Odd that he had ZG's correct name on the contingency agreement - apparently he wanted that to be legit. Either he's incredibly dishonest, along with Z(no F)G, or he has Jello where his brain should be. Either way, he shouldn't be practicing law. Heck, he makes Baez look like a choir boy.

I prefer to think that Morgan was trying to expose Casey's true fraud against many. ZG was the symbol for that.

Unfortunately, she was a bad character.

Casey offended so many people in general that there is no one person who can say it was personally against them. But just consider the huge number of people that her selfish lies incorporated ~ family, friends, acquaintances, movie stars, people who thought they spotted Caylee, Kronk, Tim Miller and all of the searchers.

So, no, I don't believe he's dishonest or has jello for brains. I think he's just trying to do the impossible ~ to stand up for the little guys who might not have any legal standing but sure as heck should have a moral one.

 

[AZlawyer]

But what could he possibly subpoena? Where would Morgan start?

I would start with every apartment complex ZG told him she visited, asking for visitor cards from ZG as well as from Tony; and add Crane's Landing just in case ZG forgot she went there. Then I would quiz ZG about every other possible connection, including the tattoo shop connection if there was one, and I would question or, if necessary, subpoena and depose those "connection" people to see what they could possibly have said that might have gotten back to Casey.

And whatever I got from "round one" would tell me where to go for "round two."

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I would start with every apartment complex ZG told him she visited, asking for visitor cards from ZG as well as from Tony; and add Crane's Landing just in case ZG forgot she went there. Then I would quiz ZG about every other possible connection, including the tattoo shop connection if there was one, and I would question or, if necessary, subpoena and depose those "connection" people to see what they could possibly have said that might have gotten back to Casey.

And whatever I got from "round one" would tell me where to go for "round two."

I sure hope Morgan reads here, AZlayer. Thank you!

 

[TotallyObsessed]

I know it's not a popular opinion, but I strongly feel that Z(no F)G and Morgan should be charged with fraud for the way they've attempted to deceive the court in the filing of this suit. I can accept that Morgan may have gotten one or two unimportant facts wrong, but he got EVERYTHING wrong. Odd that he had ZG's correct name on the contingency agreement - apparently he wanted that to be legit. Either he's incredibly dishonest, along with Z(no F)G, or he has Jello where his brain should be. Either way, he shouldn't be practicing law. Heck, he makes Baez look like a choir boy.

A lawyer once told me "anybody can sue anybody for anything"......it truly is a question of whether you "win" or not. That remains to be seen here. However, the fact is...ZG was at Sawgrass. Sawgrass was the first step of the "Big Lie". That's it. ZG was connected to this circus simply by looking at an apartment. Innocently. Everything else afterwards is just the poppycock Anthony circus.

 

[LambChop]

I'm not getting where a woman who has children out of wedlock has a bad reputation. Would a single woman who chose to adopt a child also have a bad reputation? If you have provided for your children in the past and are planning on doing so in the future but are between jobs at the present time, is that considered having a bad reputation? I always thought a bad reputation came from being involved with crimes such as homocide, stealing from people, lying and being a neglectful parent. Kidnapping is a serious charge and to be considered a suspect even for 10 seconds has to be a life altering experience. It wasn't just the police who visited her and interviewed her, it was the media and they continued to hunt ZG down. KC created this situation and hurt a lot of people. I would hope Morgan brings in RK to testify what KC has done to his life. jmo

 

[KarmaGet'em]

Tweet from Matt Morgan:

arthur ‏ @sakotheAmerican
@MattMorganESQ Charles Greene filed motion to throw out ZG civil suit. Every dirty trick from Greene coming at Morgan & Morgan

Matt Morgan ‏ @MattMorganESQ
@sakotheAmerican we are prepared. the wheels of justice grind slowly yet exceedingly fine.

5:01 PM - 28 Feb 12 via web · Details

I hope so....

 

[Marshmallow]

I'm not getting where a woman who has children out of wedlock has a bad reputation. Would a single woman who chose to adopt a child also have a bad reputation? If you have provided for your children in the past and are planning on doing so in the future but are between jobs at the present time, is that considered having a bad reputation? I always thought a bad reputation came from being involved with crimes such as homocide, stealing from people, lying and being a neglectful parent. Kidnapping is a serious charge and to be considered a suspect even for 10 seconds has to be a life altering experience. It wasn't just the police who visited her and interviewed her, it was the media and they continued to hunt ZG down. KC created this situation and hurt a lot of people. I would hope Morgan brings in RK to testify what KC has done to his life. jmo

I have a son whose father I did not marry. by that line of thinking and apparently in the minds of many in the legal community I would be a person with a bad reputation should I ever need to be in a courtroom. ButI just have to ask, if that detail makes ZFG (or her daughter) so terrible, what does it make Miss Casey Anthony?

 

[Marshmallow]

Adding to my last post, I don't think what is/was said about RK was said by Casey Anthony. I think it would be said that she never said those things, her attys did and what's said in the courtroom and what they implied in the media was to save their client and that makes it okay. I may be wrong and hope I am but I don't think anything will end up being dealt with. It looks to me, with my regular people eyes, that Casey Anthony and her family and legal team, are home free with no repercussions.

 

[Aedrys]

Adding to my last post, I don't think what is/was said about RK was said by Casey Anthony. I think it would be said that she never said those things, her attys did and what's said in the courtroom and what they implied in the media was to save their client and that makes it okay. I may be wrong and hope I am but I don't think anything will end up being dealt with. It looks to me, with my regular people eyes, that Casey Anthony and her family and legal team, are home free with no repercussions.

The stupid thing here, that kills me, is that we don't know WHAT Casey said behind closed doors and probably never will. I bet she did talk bad about a lot of poeple, but she NEVER said anything publicly. We don't know that she wasn't sending people out to say things, or okaying what other people said to the in the public. She is so frustrating that way. She knows she doesn't have to say a word because there are so many people around her that are willing to talk for her, and that shields her from responsibility. And of course the people around her are going to lie and say she never said anything or they never said anything. It's a constant circle of corruption that legally is fine. I hate that so much.

 

[LambChop]

Adding to my last post, I don't think what is/was said about RK was said by Casey Anthony. I think it would be said that she never said those things, her attys did and what's said in the courtroom and what they implied in the media was to save their client and that makes it okay. I may be wrong and hope I am but I don't think anything will end up being dealt with. It looks to me, with my regular people eyes, that Casey Anthony and her family and legal team, are home free with no repercussions.

KC never denied it nor did she stop her attorneys from implicating him. In her jailhouse letter, though, she forgave ZFG and said she did not think ZFG would hurt Caylee. jmo

 

[Marshmallow]

KC never denied it nor did she stop her attorneys from implicating him. In her jailhouse letter, though, she forgave ZFG and said she did not think ZFG would hurt Caylee. jmo

I remember those too but it's almost impossible to think anything will happen to Miss Anthony. She seems to have some legal super power that allows her to never be held responsible for anything. And with her family eager to lie for her it will be difficult for anything to stick.

 

[zippitydoda]

While reading through the Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgement it struck me that even the few things I believed Z(no F)G had in common with Casey's ZFG are not true. I believed the rumors that Z(no F)G was of mixed race. She is not. I believed both had ties to NY. They don't. It appears that there is only one thing that Z (no F) G and the 'nanny' have in common is a similar, but obviously different, name.

It doesn't look good for Z(no F)G that she told so many lies on the record. It also doesn't look good that she admitted no one recognized her or suspected her UNTIL after she put herself into the public eye to deny accusations that were never made. As I've said all along, I expect this case with be tossed out of court. I hate it that Morgan has created a situation in which Casey wins again.

OT - Chilly Willy is in da house again! Nice to see and hear from you again.

 

[LambChop]

I have a son whose father I did not marry. by that line of thinking and apparently in the minds of many in the legal community I would be a person with a bad reputation should I ever need to be in a courtroom. ButI just have to ask, if that detail makes ZFG (or her daughter) so terrible, what does it make Miss Casey Anthony?

It's not uncommon today for women to have children and not to be in a legal partnership. Men do it all the time and have, well forever....and no one feels their reputation is soiled. When have you ever heard someone say, "He's an unwed father." Never would be close. So why is it that people brand a women who in most cases has no choice in the matter. You can't make someone marry you because you are pregnant. In many cases the woman may be far better off not marrying someone who is not right for them in the end. If a man does not want to stand up to his responsibilities he should have the reputation, not the woman. jmo

 

[Marshmallow]

It's not uncommon today for women to have children and not to be in a legal partnership. Men do it all the time and have, well forever....and no one feels their reputation is soiled. When have you ever heard someone say, "He's an unwed father." Never would be close. So why is it that people brand a women who in most cases has no choice in the matter. You can't make someone marry you because you are pregnant. In many cases the woman may be far better off not marrying someone who is not right for them in the end. If a man does not want to stand up to his responsibilities he should have the reputation, not the woman. jmo

I don't think there should be any shame in solo parenthood. I guess it bothers me when it's implied that one should be ashamed or considered a bad person based on it. That it comes from the atty for an unwed woman who herself has no clue who the father of her innocent, dead child is.... well, that strikes me as sadly amusing.
But when tv talking heads and the legal communtiy think it's a reason to discredit someone that's just wrong. Discredit the words, discredit the story but don't discredit someone based on their marital staus.

 

[logicalgirl]

It's not uncommon today for women to have children and not to be in a legal partnership. Men do it all the time and have, well forever....and no one feels their reputation is soiled. When have you ever heard someone say, "He's an unwed father." Never would be close. So why is it that people brand a women who in most cases has no choice in the matter. You can't make someone marry you because you are pregnant. In many cases the woman may be far better off not marrying someone who is not right for them in the end. If a man does not want to stand up to his responsibilities he should have the reputation, not the woman. jmo

Wowsers - can't believe we didn't leave this "carp of a attitude" back in the 70's!!:waitasec: How does a woman who has a child without marrying and chooses not to abort that child or give the child up for adoption, but instead to love and raise that child to adulthood end up with a bad reputation? Unbelievable!! And at what level does judgement hit for the mother who does not know who the father of her child is and "invents a dead father" as a cover for that child?

 

[Chilly Willy]

It's not uncommon today for women to have children and not to be in a legal partnership. Men do it all the time and have, well forever....and no one feels their reputation is soiled. When have you ever heard someone say, "He's an unwed father." Never would be close. So why is it that people brand a women who in most cases has no choice in the matter. You can't make someone marry you because you are pregnant. In many cases the woman may be far better off not marrying someone who is not right for them in the end. If a man does not want to stand up to his responsibilities he should have the reputation, not the woman. jmo

I agree with you completely, a woman who has a child out of wedlock and supports and loves and protects that child is to be applauded, not condemned. However, Z(no F)G, did not do those things. She had many children, with many men, and let the state support them. She did not provide them with a stable home, she did not present herself as a good role model, she committed crimes, ran out on her bills, and was even accused of neglect and abuse. I can't help but feel that if this woman was not suing Casey, posters would be tearing her apart, not trying to make her into a saint.

How many different men did she bring into the house without concern for the safety of her children? What if the boy she seduced and provided with alcohol was your son, would you still be singing Z(no F)G's praises?

She's told many lies in the process of filing this suit. If she really was harmed by Casey, she'd have the truth on her side. Lies wouldn't be necessary.