ZFG Civil Case: Casey's Deposition #2

[Chilly Willy]

BBM- I doubt they just asked and that was the end of it. I'm sure they did some investigation. They did speak with the manager of the apartment complex afterall...so I would think they would try to tie Casey to ZG somehow. They were actually looking for a missing child at the time. They would have been remiss for not investigating this ZG further. JMPO

I agree, it would have been negligence on the part of LE if they did not question Z?G, but I have absolutely no doubt that they were certain she was not involved at the time they met with her. They were just typing up a loose end, IMO. I think they were already fairly certain that something bad at happened to Caylee at the hands of her mother.

The investigation at Sawgrass was not a result of investigating this particular Z?G, it was prompted by Casey claiming that's where she dropped Caylee off. LE didn't learn of Z?G's visit until they spoke with the manager.

 

[RR0004]

If the public choose to believe that Z?G, who was not young, not childless, not wealthy, not a nanny, not tattoo-less, not 'a 10', cleared by LE, and not accused by Casey was the ZFG that Casey described, that fault lies with the public. Maybe the public shouldn't react so quickly without knowing all the facts next time.

The thing is...the "public" was immediately told that there was a kidnapper on the loose and only had enough time to register that a beautiful little girl was missing. Why would they even believe a mother would lie about that? How long did we spend on here trying to find someone connected to that name? And we knew...before most...that Casey was an habitual liar.

 

[RR0004]

I agree, it would have been negligence on the part of LE if they did not question Z?G, but I have absolutely no doubt that they were certain she was not involved at the time they met with her. They were just typing up a loose end, IMO. I think they were already fairly certain that something bad at happened to Caylee at the hands of her mother.

The investigation at Sawgrass was not a result of investigating this particular Z?G, it was prompted by Casey claiming that's where she dropped Caylee off. LE didn't learn of Z?G's visit until they spoke with the manager.

Yes, I know the order of events...but the point was, they did believe that there may have been a kidnapping so they went to find out about the connection. I don't think they stopped with just accepting that ZG wasn't THE ZFG. At least, that's not the impression that I got (especially after reading about it in JA's book). There were, of course, other theories...one being Casey perhaps hid Caylee from her mother with someone. But, I don't think they just dismissed this person right off the bat (day 32).

 

[Chilly Willy]

The thing is...the "public" was immediately told that there was a kidnapper on the loose and only had enough time to register that a beautiful little girl was missing. Why would they even believe a mother would lie about that? How long did we spend on here trying to find someone connected to that name? And we knew...before most...that Casey was an habitual liar.

Yes, again I agree. People here did continue to investigate Z?G and dig into her personal life, even after being asked to stop and after being informed that LE had stated she was not involved. That's my point. If anyone went after Z?G, it was the pubic, not LE. I say shame on the people who made nasty comments and threats to her and her children, if it's true that those things happened.

As a hypothetical, what if there actually had been a ZFG who kidnapped Caylee and the public mistakenly singled out this innocent Z?G to torment? Would Casey have been wrong for telling LE who it was that took her child, or would the public be wrong for reacting in such a way?

 

[Chilly Willy]

Yes, I know the order of events...but the point was, they did believe that there may have been a kidnapping so they went to find out about the connection. I don't think they stopped with just accepting that ZG wasn't THE ZFG. At least, that's not the impression that I got (especially after reading about it in JA's book). There were, of course, other theories...one being Casey perhaps hid Caylee from her mother with someone. But, I don't think they just dismissed this person right off the bat (day 32).

I disagree, I think they did dismiss this or any Z?G as being involved when they questioned Casey at Universal. It's very obvious in Yuri's questioning of Casey that he doesn't believe the kidnapping story or any other lie Casey put out there. He's not a dumb man by any means and this wasn't his first rodeo.

 

[logicalgirl]

I disagree, I think they did dismiss this or any Z?G as being involved when they questioned Casey at Universal. It's very obvious in Yuri's questioning of Casey that he doesn't believe the kidnapping story or any other lie Casey put out there. He's not a dumb man by any means and this wasn't his first rodeo.

Too bad then that he interviewed ZFG and it became so public...and no one in the public would have continued to look at ZFG if OCA had come out with a very clear and final statement to say this ZFG was not involved, including not manipulating her mother CA to continue making statements to the press about ZFG.

Did we see any other ZFG's hauled up in front of the media? Accused of kidnapping a child who "drowned"?

 

[vlpate]

Too bad then that he interviewed ZFG and it became so public...and no one in the public would have continued to look at ZFG if OCA had come out with a very clear and final statement to say this ZFG was not involved, including not manipulating her mother CA to continue making statements to the press about ZFG.

Did we see any other ZFG's hauled up in front of the media? Accused of kidnapping a child who "drowned"?

I never for a moment thought ZFG was involved. She had to be interviewed though, no way around it. They called the number on the guest card at Sawgrass - but, I don't recall,, is this the same ZFG as the one who is suing?

 

[Chilly Willy]

Too bad then that he interviewed ZFG and it became so public...and no one in the public would have continued to look at ZFG if OCA had come out with a very clear and final statement to say this ZFG was not involved, including not manipulating her mother CA to continue making statements to the press about ZFG.

Did we see any other ZFG's hauled up in front of the media? Accused of kidnapping a child who "drowned"?

How exactly did news of the interview become so public? I recall seeing it on the news when Z?G did an interview with the media in her motel room. There were other ZG's, LE showed more than one picture to Casey. I would have to assume they were also ruled out as suspects, although we never heard of them and they never sold their stories to the media. This Z?G was NEVER accused of kidnapping anyone. Even if Casey denied seeing her photo, that is not an accusation.

 

[RR0004]

Yes, again I agree. People here did continue to investigate Z?G and dig into her personal life, even after being asked to stop and after being informed that LE had stated she was not involved. That's my point. If anyone went after Z?G, it was the pubic, not LE. I say shame on the people who made nasty comments and threats to her and her children, if it's true that those things happened.

As a hypothetical, what if there actually had been a ZFG who kidnapped Caylee and the public mistakenly singled out this innocent Z?G to torment? Would Casey have been wrong for telling LE who it was that took her child, or would the public be wrong for reacting in such a way?

First off...IIRC "we" did not single out that woman...we searched for ANYONE with that name or ANYONE connected to all the other imaginary names given. If there was any truth to Casey's story I would only hope that the real ZFG took the heat from the getgo. Are you saying 3 years later, after she didn't say any word to the contrary, it turned out that it was a different ZFG? I don't remember Casey ever saying one word about this ZG not being the "alleged" kidnapper. She could have shut it all down by stating just that...this is not the person who kidnapped my daughter. She claims she never saw a photo lineup...but yet she didn't "recognize" anyone. Sorry, just can't wrap my brain around your "hypothetical". The truth would have won out IMO. We just never got any from Casey.
And if my name was associated for 1 minute to the kidnapping of a child I would feel injured beyond belief...for a very long, long time.

 

[Chilly Willy]

I never for a moment thought ZFG was involved. She had to be interviewed though, no way around it. They called the number on the guest card at Sawgrass - but, I don't recall,, is this the same ZFG as the one who is suing?

The person named on the guest card is the one who is suing, although her name is not ZFG, there is no Fernandez in her name. Casey specifically accused a ZFG. I don't know where LE got Z?G's phone number. The apartment manager said the number on the application was no longer in service when he tried it.

 

[RR0004]

I never for a moment thought ZFG was involved. She had to be interviewed though, no way around it. They called the number on the guest card at Sawgrass - but, I don't recall,, is this the same ZFG as the one who is suing?

Yes, it is.

 

[RR0004]

I disagree, I think they did dismiss this or any Z?G as being involved when they questioned Casey at Universal. It's very obvious in Yuri's questioning of Casey that he doesn't believe the kidnapping story or any other lie Casey put out there. He's not a dumb man by any means and this wasn't his first rodeo.

Well...not according to JA...and you wouldn't know it by the amount of man hours put into tracking down "leads".

 

[bayouland]

Of course I recall that Z(no F)Z had a visitor's slip filled out on her behalf, that's the basis of this discussion. It was not an application. My belief has nothing to do with Greene or the lawsuit, it's what I've felt, based on Casey's method of lying, since the start. I would not attempt to insult you by saying, "It's what So-and-So wants you to believe." Please extend me the same courtesy.

I meant you no disrespect.I should have said it was my opinion. I apologize.

 

[Chilly Willy]

First off...IIRC "we" did not single out that woman...we searched for ANYONE with that name or ANYONE connected to all the other imaginary names given. If there was any truth to Casey's story I would only hope that the real ZFG took the heat from the getgo. Are you saying 3 years later, after she didn't say any word to the contrary, it turned out that it was a different ZFG? I don't remember Casey ever saying one word about this ZG not being the "alleged" kidnapper. She could have shut it all down by stating just that...this is not the person who kidnapped my daughter. She claims she never saw a photo lineup...but yet she didn't "recognize" anyone. Sorry, just can't wrap my brain around your "hypothetical". The truth would have won out IMO. We just never got any from Casey.
And if my name was associated for 1 minute to the kidnapping of a child I would feel injured beyond belief...for a very long, long time.

I don't understand why you have a problem with the hypothetical. Let's say LE came to your door wanting to ask you about a child who had been kidnapped and the kidnapper's name was RR0003. Being innocent, you explained that you were not involved and did not know the child or her mother. The police believed you and ruled you out as a suspect, leaving them free to spend their time and energy on other leads. Would you feel injured beyond belief or would you feel glad that you were able to help them with the case? Should a mother be afraid to give the name of her child's kidnapper to the police because someone who has a similar name might sue? That's scary.

 

[RR0004]

I don't understand why you have a problem with the hypothetical. Let's say LE came to your door wanting to ask you about a child who had been kidnapped and the kidnapper's name was RR0003. Being innocent, you explained that you were not involved and did not know the child or her mother. The police believed you and ruled you out as a suspect, leaving them free to spend their time and energy on other leads. Would you feel injured beyond belief or would you feel glad that you were able to help them with the case? Should a mother be afraid to give the name of her child's kidnapper to the police because someone who has a similar name might sue? That's scary.

If they asked me if I had ever been to the same place where this child was supposedly left (with a person whose name closely resembles mine!!) on/or about the same date I was known to be there...you betcha I would have been upset. I guess it comes down to this...I don't believe it was a coincidence. Nope...just don't. And what's truly scary is a mother lying about the whereabouts of her child. That's why I can't take your hypothetical any further. If I said I left my child with a ZFG who resided at Sawgrass Apartments...you better believe that's exactly where she would be.

 

[Chilly Willy]

First off...IIRC "we" did not single out that woman...we searched for ANYONE with that name or ANYONE connected to all the other imaginary names given. If there was any truth to Casey's story I would only hope that the real ZFG took the heat from the getgo. Are you saying 3 years later, after she didn't say any word to the contrary, it turned out that it was a different ZFG? I don't remember Casey ever saying one word about this ZG not being the "alleged" kidnapper. She could have shut it all down by stating just that...this is not the person who kidnapped my daughter. She claims she never saw a photo lineup...but yet she didn't "recognize" anyone. Sorry, just can't wrap my brain around your "hypothetical". The truth would have won out IMO. We just never got any from Casey.
And if my name was associated for 1 minute to the kidnapping of a child I would feel injured beyond belief...for a very long, long time.

I recall a lot of effort going in to investing this particular Z?G on this board. As a matter of fact, everything I've learned negative about her was discovered by posters here, AFTER she was cleared. I think that was wrong.

Casey told LE that this particular woman was not the kidnapper while still being questioned at Universal. Whatever she said to Cindy later, in a jail visit that she most likely did not expect to be made public, is of no relevance. She did not accuse Z?G in the video either. She never accused her, that was the public's doing.

 

[Chilly Willy]

If they asked me if I had ever been to the same place where this child was supposedly left (with a person whose name closely resembles mine!!) on/or about the same date I was known to be there...you betcha I would have been upset. I guess it comes down to this...I don't believe it was a coincidence. Nope...just don't. And what's truly scary is a mother lying about the whereabouts of her child. That's why I can't take your hypothetical any further. If I said I left my child with a ZFG who resided at Sawgrass Apartments...you better believe that's exactly where she would be.

Obviously it's scary that a mother would lie about her child's whereabouts, especially when LE has already discovered that the mother's entire life story is nothing but lies. Regardless, LE needs to check out all potential leads, and that would certainly include a person with a name similar to the accused kidnapper's name - even knowing that the kidnapping story is BS. I can understand being upset, I'd be upset too, but I wouldn't sell my story to the media and then sue because people knew who I was. I wouldn't want to do anything that might cause mother's in the future to be afraid to tell LE who took their child.

 

[RR0004]

I recall a lot of effort going in to investing this particular Z?G on this board. As a matter of fact, everything I've learned negative about her was discovered by posters here, AFTER she was cleared. I think that was wrong.

Casey told LE that this particular woman was not the kidnapper while still being questioned at Universal. Whatever she said to Cindy later, in a jail visit that she most likely did not expect to be made public, is of no relevance. She did not accuse Z?G in the video either. She never accused her, that was the public's doing.

If you want to cite posts then that's fine...otherwise I don't think it's fair to talk indirectly about posters.
I was here...IMPO there wasn't anything really negative to say about ZG. She was this poor woman who was caught up in an ugly lie. However, I do remember folks all over the place stating she should sue. lol

 

[LambChop]

I don't understand why you have a problem with the hypothetical. Let's say LE came to your door wanting to ask you about a child who had been kidnapped and the kidnapper's name was RR0003. Being innocent, you explained that you were not involved and did not know the child or her mother. The police believed you and ruled you out as a suspect, leaving them free to spend their time and energy on other leads. Would you feel injured beyond belief or would you feel glad that you were able to help them with the case? Should a mother be afraid to give the name of her child's kidnapper to the police because someone who has a similar name might sue? That's scary.

BBM: I'm guessing here but I would think the problem with a hypothetical is that the information used is based on a lie. We know KC was lying. She had a least three different stories about what happened to Caylee. This is not a criminal trial where KC's life is in danger. It is civil and every lie she has told will be explored and hashed over and KC will be revealed for what she presents herself to be.

When you sue for damages it is not so much about what KC said. It has to do with the way she presented it, the way she handled her answers when presented with facts. KC's statement in the jailhouse video will probably cost her her case because regardless of anything that went before and regardless of what she may have said making that statement about "that woman from Kississee" was personal. It was meant to cast doubt, deliberately with malaise. It will not be easily explained away because KC to this day refuses to cooperate and apologize to ZG.

Another consideration is how KC's actions affected ZG. We may say what's the big deal she could have said worse. No one but the person who is affected can make the determination as to how they felt being accused. The jury will either believe her or not but it's within ZG's right to go after KC. Some of us here complain that we feel the legal system did not do enough to insure justice for Caylee and then turn around and say ZG has no case. At least ZG is not taking this lying down. She is demanding KC admit to what she has done. KC isn't hiding behind the 5th for nothing.

It's like AH's checkbook fraud case. KC would not admit she was guilty even with the video's of her cashing the checks and the paper copies of checks that were written. When she did apologize Dr. LG claims she did not mean it and it was only because she had no choice but to make the statement.

I think Judge Strickland was way too easy on her.

 

[Chilly Willy]

If you want to cite posts then that's fine...otherwise I don't think it's fair to talk indirectly about posters.
I was here...IMPO there wasn't anything really negative to say about ZG. She was this poor woman who was caught up in an ugly lie. However, I do remember folks all over the place stating she should sue. lol

No, I'm not going to cite the posts, I made the mistake of doing that once before and was justifiably criticized for bringing it all up again. I will say, however, that until the information and links were posted here, I had no idea how to look up someone's legal records or even that it could be done.