ZFG Civil Case: Casey's Deposition #2

[treeseeker]

I'm not a lawyer, but I understand that precedent is a huge part of the law. One judge's ruling on one aspect of a case influences all future cases with similar circumstances. IMHO, the ZFG lawsuit has set a poor precedent. The court allowed a person LE questioned in a murder investigation to sue a suspect before their trial (possibly before she was charged with murder? I don't recall), even after the suspect told LE this was not the POI. It was pretty obvious there was no ZG in this case, but what about future cases, that aren't so obvious? We could see a POI threatening a lawsuit against a victim before charges are even filed. I could be wrong, I just don't see this being good.

Personally, I believe there was criminal intent regarding KC's inferring ZG's involvement, and I believe there should have been a criminal investigation.

 

[AZlawyer]

It does seem strange and it seems as if ZG still cannot get away from being identified as ZFG. jmo

It isn't strange, though, if Morgan never filed a motion to change the caption. You can't just change the official caption yourself.

I'm not a lawyer, but I understand that precedent is a huge part of the law. One judge's ruling on one aspect of a case influences all future cases with similar circumstances. IMHO, the ZFG lawsuit has set a poor precedent. The court allowed a person LE questioned in a murder investigation to sue a suspect before their trial (possibly before she was charged with murder? I don't recall), even after the suspect told LE this was not the POI. It was pretty obvious there was no ZG in this case, but what about future cases, that aren't so obvious? We could see a POI threatening a lawsuit against a victim before charges are even filed. I could be wrong, I just don't see this being good.

Personally, I believe there was criminal intent regarding KC's inferring ZG's involvement, and I believe there should have been a criminal investigation.

Luckily, there's no precedent because no final rulings have been made. The court didn't "allow" the lawsuit, except in the sense that the judge didn't grant the motion to dismiss--but that was very early on and, at that stage, the judge was required to accept that all the allegations of the Complaint were true. Plus trial court cases are not really looked to for precedent anyway--only appeal court cases are.

 

[Chilly Willy]

It does seem strange and it seems as if ZG still cannot get away from being identified as ZFG. jmo

She and her lawyers are the cause of her name being falsely stated as ZFG on the caption. If she doesn't want to be identified as ZFG, she shouldn't pretend to be her. It's not that she 'can't get away' from it, it's that she's responsible for it. The only person who has ever identified her as ZFG is herself.

 

[Chilly Willy]

It isn't strange, though, if Morgan never filed a motion to change the caption. You can't just change the official caption yourself.



Luckily, there's no precedent because no final rulings have been made. The court didn't "allow" the lawsuit, except in the sense that the judge didn't grant the motion to dismiss--but that was very early on and, at that stage, the judge was required to accept that all the allegations of the Complaint were true. Plus trial court cases are not really looked to for precedent anyway--only appeal court cases are.

bbm

I have to wonder if the true facts had been put in front of the judge, instead of the false name, false lost job, false statements, etc, would the case have reached this stage.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Hello everyone...

I guess its not so fair that the A's and Casey are being sued(if that is your opinion) but...it wasn't fair that Caylee was murdered. Sorry to come back to state the obvious...life isn't always fair. The Anthony's, Casey included can just hang their hopes on the fairness of our justice system. :floorlaugh:

There is no way something being done to innocent people or an innocent person would result in anything other than a not guilty verdict. :waitasec: They should know that...being so innocent and all...with the law working for them during Casey's trial.

What is there to worry about? Be upset about?

Nothing, as far as MOO goes... :seeya:

George and Cindy are not being sued. Are they upset about Casey being sued? I haven't heard a peep from them about it.

 

[LambChop]

She and her lawyers are the cause of her name being falsely stated as ZFG on the caption. If she doesn't want to be identified as ZFG, she shouldn't pretend to be her. It's not that she 'can't get away' from it, it's that she's responsible for it. The only person who has ever identified her as ZFG is herself.

I'm not sure I ever heard an interview from ZG that she ever claimed to be ZFG. All I have ever heard from her was that she denied ever knowing KC and that her name was ZG. If you have a link I'd be interested in viewing it.

Most of the public who are unfamiliar with court documents have no idea what is proper and what is not when it comes to filings. If ZG read those initial documents it's possible she believed they were correct because she felt she was being accused of being ZFG and did not question them. I mean, you would think your attorney would get the name right when filing at the very least. But I know first hand that mistakes happen and attorney's count on their staff to get it right the first time (which does not always happen). jmo

 

[LambChop]

It isn't strange, though, if Morgan never filed a motion to change the caption. You can't just change the official caption yourself.

Luckily, there's no precedent because no final rulings have been made. The court didn't "allow" the lawsuit, except in the sense that the judge didn't grant the motion to dismiss--but that was very early on and, at that stage, the judge was required to accept that all the allegations of the Complaint were true. Plus trial court cases are not really looked to for precedent anyway--only appeal court cases are.

You know I can't remember but was KC's countersuit filed under ZFG? Would that have made a difference for Morgan not changing the name???

 

[Chilly Willy]

I'm not sure I ever heard an interview from ZG that she ever claimed to be ZFG. All I have ever heard from her was that she denied ever knowing KC and that her name was ZG. If you have a link I'd be interested in viewing it.

Most of the public who are unfamiliar with court documents have no idea what is proper and what is not when it comes to filings. If ZG read those initial documents it's possible she believed they were correct because she felt she was being accused of being ZFG and did not question them. I mean, you would think your attorney would get the name right when filing at the very least. But I know first hand that mistakes happen and attorney's count on their staff to get it right the first time (which does not always happen). jmo

I'm sorry but I refuse to give ZG credit for being that incredibly dumb. IF she didn't realize her name was being misrepresented in the legal filings, which is a huge IF, she certainly must have realized during all the many media interviews that she was being introduced by a name that wasn't hers. Everyone asks why Casey never came forward and said this particular ZG was not the kidnapper, but why didn't ZG ever come forward and say, "that's not even my name"? I believe it's because she enjoyed the notoriety and believed there was some money in it for her.

 

[Chilly Willy]

I'm not sure I ever heard an interview from ZG that she ever claimed to be ZFG. All I have ever heard from her was that she denied ever knowing KC and that her name was ZG. If you have a link I'd be interested in viewing it.

Most of the public who are unfamiliar with court documents have no idea what is proper and what is not when it comes to filings. If ZG read those initial documents it's possible she believed they were correct because she felt she was being accused of being ZFG and did not question them. I mean, you would think your attorney would get the name right when filing at the very least. But I know first hand that mistakes happen and attorney's count on their staff to get it right the first time (which does not always happen). jmo

bbm

Forgot to address the bolded part in my last post. Z(no F)G is not a member of the general public who is unfamiliar with court documents. She's had plenty of experience with them, although usually as the defendant rather than the plaintiff.

 

[AZlawyer]

You know I can't remember but was KC's countersuit filed under ZFG? Would that have made a difference for Morgan not changing the name???

No, it would have been easy to get it changed.

 

[LambChop]

I'm sorry but I refuse to give ZG credit for being that incredibly dumb. IF she didn't realize her name was being misrepresented in the legal filings, which is a huge IF, she certainly must have realized during all the many media interviews that she was being introduced by a name that wasn't hers. Everyone asks why Casey never came forward and said this particular ZG was not the kidnapper, but why didn't ZG ever come forward and say, "that's not even my name"? I believe it's because she enjoyed the notoriety and believed there was some money in it for her.

Why blame ZG for an error made by the law firm? Clearly the firm had every opportunity to confirm, for sure, what her name was and someone dropped the ball, which they admit. I'm not even sure she saw any of the filings because her signature was not required. It would serve no purpose for ZG to claim to be ZFG and to date nothing has surfaced to my knowledge that she ever claimed to be ZFG.

KC has no money nor does she have a job. I don't think money was a motivator for ZG but in order to file you have to put a price on your damages. That is for everyone who files. You can't sue for an apology and say I just want her to admit the truth. So far no one, absolutely no one has ever gotten the truth from KC. Maybe ZG wants to keep this from happening to someone else. It certainly might give someone a lot to think about before they try to falsely implicate someone in a crime.

While I understand your post I just have not seen anything that would indicate ZG was trying to say she was ZFG. Also just because a person is not familiar with how law firms file their court documents does not mean they are "incredibly dumb", it just means they count on their attorney to get the information correct the first time. I would like to see the video where ZG claims to be ZFG because I think if Mr. Greene had that video the case would have been dismissed a long time ago. jmo

 

[LambChop]

bbm

Forgot to address the bolded part in my last post. Z(no F)G is not a member of the general public who is unfamiliar with court documents. She's had plenty of experience with them, although usually as the defendant rather than the plaintiff.

Oh, that does not mean she is familiar with the filing of court documents. Unless she typed them up herself how would she know??? Most people could care less what is filed, just "get me out of trouble" is their main concern. lol jmo

 

[BChand]

Oh, that does not mean she is familiar with the filing of court documents. Unless she typed them up herself how would she know??? Most people could care less what is filed, just "get me out of trouble" is their main concern. lol jmo

I agree. As someone who has no expertise about anything, I believe it's her lawyer's job to worry about the filings. She has a well-known law firm who is doing just that.

At times, I'm of the opinion that Morgan & Morgan are continuing with this lawsuit for their own amusement but I don't care.

Seems when you hire them, you not only get a first class defense, but a makeover as well.

The new Zanny:

https://twitter.com/#!/MattMorganESQ/status/177441444938792960/photo/1

 

[LambChop]

I agree. As someone who has no expertise about anything, I believe it's her lawyer's job to worry about the filings. She has a well-known law firm who is doing just that.

At times, I'm of the opinion that Morgan & Morgan are continuing with this lawsuit for their own amusement but I don't care.

Seems when you hire them, you not only get a first class defense, but a makeover as well.

The new Zanny:

https://twitter.com/#!/MattMorganESQ/status/177441444938792960/photo/1

Hey, sign me up..I need a makeover bad!!!!! Seems like KC has had her share, too. Should be interesting. jmo

 

[Chilly Willy]

Why blame ZG for an error made by the law firm? Clearly the firm had every opportunity to confirm, for sure, what her name was and someone dropped the ball, which they admit. I'm not even sure she saw any of the filings because her signature was not required. It would serve no purpose for ZG to claim to be ZFG and to date nothing has surfaced to my knowledge that she ever claimed to be ZFG.

KC has no money nor does she have a job. I don't think money was a motivator for ZG but in order to file you have to put a price on your damages. That is for everyone who files. You can't sue for an apology and say I just want her to admit the truth. So far no one, absolutely no one has ever gotten the truth from KC. Maybe ZG wants to keep this from happening to someone else. It certainly might give someone a lot to think about before they try to falsely implicate someone in a crime.

While I understand your post I just have not seen anything that would indicate ZG was trying to say she was ZFG. Also just because a person is not familiar with how law firms file their court documents does not mean they are "incredibly dumb", it just means they count on their attorney to get the information correct the first time. I would like to see the video where ZG claims to be ZFG because I think if Mr. Greene had that video the case would have been dismissed a long time ago. jmo

You really believe that ZG didn't even browse over the papers and see the name ZFG plastered all over them, including at the very top where ZFG is listed as plaintiff? Lying by omission is still lying - ZG never corrected anyone who called her by the wrong name - she never publicly stated that she does not have the same name as the imaginary babysitter. I repeat what I said before, no one ever accused ZG of anything and no one ever said she was ZFG. She did that to herself, either thru Morgan or on her own, I don't know which.

If I accuse Tom Alfred Jones of being a kidnapper and describe him in great detail and then Tom William Jones comes forward, looking nothing like the description I gave, and shouts, "Hey, that's me she's talking about!" that's not my fault. Especially if I said right from the start that Tom William Jones was absolutely NOT the kidnapper.

 

[Chilly Willy]

I agree. As someone who has no expertise about anything, I believe it's her lawyer's job to worry about the filings. She has a well-known law firm who is doing just that.

At times, I'm of the opinion that Morgan & Morgan are continuing with this lawsuit for their own amusement but I don't care.

Seems when you hire them, you not only get a first class defense, but a makeover as well.

The new Zanny:

https://twitter.com/#!/MattMorganESQ/status/177441444938792960/photo/1

Wow, she looks good. Quite a difference from her photos showing off her bare body parts and smooching up some young kid.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Does anyone else wonder where or how Morgan's law firm got all the false information they used in their filing? Did they just assume that ZG had the middle name of F, did ZG tell them that, or did they go with it knowing it was false but that it added strength to their case? And why, if they believed her full name to be ZFG, did it not appear that way on their payment agreement? And where/how did they get the idea that ZG lost a job as a result of Casey's actions when the reality is that she was living on disability and child support and rarely worked? Did ZG make up that story, did Morgan? Someone did.

What about the false NY connection or the false accusations that Casey gave police the names of ZG's children and a description of her car. Where did those stories originate? They surely didn't put themselves in the filing.

Even if I accepted that ZG is not able to understand the legal docs, which I don't, it still doesn't explain where all that false information came from. Who made up the lies and decided to use them as a basis for filing a lawsuit?

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I agree. As someone who has no expertise about anything, I believe it's her lawyer's job to worry about the filings. She has a well-known law firm who is doing just that.

At times, I'm of the opinion that Morgan & Morgan are continuing with this lawsuit for their own amusement but I don't care.

Seems when you hire them, you not only get a first class defense, but a makeover as well.

The new Zanny:

https://twitter.com/#!/MattMorganESQ/status/177441444938792960/photo/1

It will be nice to see this strategy used against FCA instead of in her favor. I doubt we'll be treated to hearing her called a "a little girl" or see her being cradled, caressed or told when to cry.

 

[okiedokietoo]

Does anyone else wonder where or how Morgan's law firm got all the false information they used in their filing? Did they just assume that ZG had the middle name of F, did ZG tell them that, or did they go with it knowing it was false but that it added strength to their case? And why, if they believed her full name to be ZFG, did it not appear that way on their payment agreement? And where/how did they get the idea that ZG lost a job as a result of Casey's actions when the reality is that she was living on disability and child support and rarely worked? Did ZG make up that story, did Morgan? Someone did.

What about the false NY connection or the false accusations that Casey gave police the names of ZG's children and a description of her car. Where did those stories originate? They surely didn't put themselves in the filing.

Even if I accepted that ZG is not able to understand the legal docs, which I don't, it still doesn't explain where all that false information came from. Who made up the lies and decided to use them as a basis for filing a lawsuit?

No, I don't wonder about that at all.

 

[AZlawyer]

Does anyone else wonder where or how Morgan's law firm got all the false information they used in their filing? Did they just assume that ZG had the middle name of F, did ZG tell them that, or did they go with it knowing it was false but that it added strength to their case? And why, if they believed her full name to be ZFG, did it not appear that way on their payment agreement? And where/how did they get the idea that ZG lost a job as a result of Casey's actions when the reality is that she was living on disability and child support and rarely worked? Did ZG make up that story, did Morgan? Someone did.

What about the false NY connection or the false accusations that Casey gave police the names of ZG's children and a description of her car. Where did those stories originate? They surely didn't put themselves in the filing.

Even if I accepted that ZG is not able to understand the legal docs, which I don't, it still doesn't explain where all that false information came from. Who made up the lies and decided to use them as a basis for filing a lawsuit?

My scenario (educated guess only):

LE comes to see ZG and asks, "Are you the ZG who drives a _____?" (because they used driver's license records to find her info). Yes, says ZG. Then, "You have two kids named J and M?" Yes, says ZG. "You visited Sawgrass Apts on June 17?" Yes, says ZG. Well, says LE, this girl Casey Anthony is accusing someone with your name of kidnapping her child from Sawgrass.... ZG says I don't even know this girl, signs her statement, LE says sorry for bothering you (because they have already figured out Casey's whole story is almost certainly a lie) and leaves.

ZG leaves the conversation with the impression that Casey used her name, car info, and kids' names to ID her and is pretty freaked out. She talks to Morgan and says, "This girl Casey Anthony used my name, described my car, knew my kids' names, and everything!" Morgan thinks, "fun!", calls a paralegal in, and repeats all the allegations for use in a complaint. The paralegal has been following the news and knows "ZFG" is the name of the kidnapper, and Morgan just said Casey knew the client's name, car, kids, etc., so the paralegal types in "ZFG." The fee agreement just says "ZG" because who uses middle names in fee agreements?

Eventually, Morgan and his team start paying attention to the facts and realize that ZG is not ZFG, that Casey didn't describe her car or use the names of her kids, etc., but by then they've gone too far and made too many statements to the media to just drop the lawsuit. So instead they are making the best of a not-too-great case. But they don't go out of their way to correct anything until the associate (I think he's an associate--apologies if not) goes on TV and says, "um, well, her name is actually ZG not ZFG" when a reporter refers to her as ZFG. At that point, Morgan has to correct the record or it looks like he's intentionally misleading the court.