ZFG lawsuit gives defense a one-up

[MissJames]

Is it just me or does anyone else think this has gone too far with the ZFG lawsuit? This should have been postponed if possible until after the murder trial. We're hearing all the information and testimonies of all these "witnesses" and so are the defense team. They can now easily plan their defense better after knowing what everyone else will already say while on the stand for the murder trial.

I just think this is absurd. Never have I seen so much info put out there beforehand.

You know KC did so many things to so many people it complicates the case.ZG deserves to have her day in court.My understanding is the depos are more a result of KC countersuing ZG.You have the lefts from her grandparents and from AH. I bet there is even more stuff out there.

It's unfortunate that the defense may gain some advantage but I think it's small in comparison to what the prosecution is getting from the depos.Besides which the defense will be doing their own depos of all the same witnesses.

 

[ledwards]

Do we get to hear the defense depos?

 

[MAMABEAR]

Nope!

 

[ledwards]

Why is that?

 

[Mystic]

So you're asking how Casey got the information?

Oh my, it seems we discussed that for hours on end early on. I do know that the employees had been questioned, but only LE would know anything (if there is anything to know) at this point. I got the impression that there was no wrongdoing on SG's part. The big question-if there's any reality in all this- is how Casey crossed paths with ZFG?

Thanks for your reply. No I realized that there was never any answer/connection released on this. I was just wondering why SG wasn't named as well in the lawsuit (as I thought in lawsuits you name any and all that could contribute to what occurred). I may be wrong and that is in other type of lawsuits?

 

[MAMABEAR]

Why is that?

Well, I can't prove it but the lawyers here have said before that defense doesn't have to show SA. Maybe they will right fore trial. They are just lookin for loop holes. Wished we could watch em.

 

[mitzi]

You're probably not a lawyer (or a Florida one at that) so I can see how the issues are confusing.

Re: Surprises for Defense Team

Florida law does not really allow for surprises at trial. The defense already knows (if they do their own depositions and read the State's depos which they are required to give to the defense) essentially what each witness is going to say. The "wild card" involves asking the witnesses on the stand questions to which one does not know the answer beforehand. Other than that, essentially all the information is or should be already known (or able to be known) to both the State and the defense. These civil depos do not really change or add to this fact. The Perry Mason moments for either the State or the defense in Florida are rare.

What the civil depos do enhance for the criminal trial is giving both sides one more opportunity (one more bite of the apple, if you will) of having a witness under oath, answering questions (by a civil attorney with a wide latitude), for which they may be able to use in the criminal trial (even as impeachment material).

Sunshine Law:
This is why we as the Public are able to "see" what is going on before trial. Whether we were seeing it or not both the State and the defense in Florida have all this information. No surprises.

If you are saying that if we did not have the Sunshine Law that the defense would not "see" the extra Morgan depos then maybe I can see what you are saying. All the other depos (for the criminal trial) are already shared between the State and the Defense. However, the Morgan depos (in a "unrelated" civil trial) would not automatically be shared. However, one could obtain the depos either way. Yes, the fact that Morgan puts the depos up on the website makes it "easier" for the defense and the State but I assert they could get those depos anyway.


Whether the civil trial should have commenced before the criminal trial:
This was a decision by the trial judge as he deemed it was acceptable to go forward before the conclusion of the criminal trial and this is where we stand.

A question for you Theonly1...so due to Florida's Sunshine Law, will we ever be able to view JB's depos too? TIA.

 

[lin]

Thanks for your reply. No I realized that there was never any answer/connection released on this. I was just wondering why SG wasn't named as well in the lawsuit (as I thought in lawsuits you name any and all that could contribute to what occurred). I may be wrong and that is in other type of lawsuits?

Morgan wants to find a link to Sawgrass and will add them if any type of negligence can be found. At the beginning of this, iirc, Morgan even announced as much. Remember how Annie was asked about Sawgrass and whether she knew anyone that worked there, etc.?

And, in summary to answer the op:

1. Defense can depose any and every person related to the case with the exception of all TES searchers, at least so far, thanks to MN.

2. Sunshine laws only cause things to be released to the public. They do not cause anything to be released to the adversary to which they are not otherwise entitled.

So, imo, as a Florida resident, the Sunshine laws are great. Instead of just the state and/or even just Morgan, in this instance, being on top of the details of a case, there are thousands upon thousands of eyes going over every little bit of evidence, testimony etc. looking for and generally catching all inconsistencies, all linkages, etc. Lots of help getting to the truth.

Sounds like a better way to get at the truth to me. And isn't that what justice is supposed to be about? The truth? Not who has the most money or the most famous experts. The simple truth of a matter with consequences imposed on the guilty.

 

[Mystic]

Thank you lin, I'm happy to know Morgan is still looking for that link.

Also I want to say I'm impressed with the Sunshine laws.

 

[lin]

Thank you lin, I'm happy to know Morgan is still looking for that link.

Also I want to say I'm impressed with the Sunshine laws.

 

[lin]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWFF-tHVsVU&feature=channel_page"]YouTube - Issues 5/19/09 Part 2[/ame]

At around 4:23 --- hat tip PattyG --- Keith Mitnik says the recent win adding in punitive damages gives them "free rein" to start digging into finances and they intend to do so "doggedly."

Sounds like this civil case is NOT good news for the defense to me...

 

[MAMABEAR]

I don't know if this is the right place to ask this question but gonna try anyway--->What is the hold up with the civil case? Did I miss something?

 

[QB.]

I'd like to know what the hold up is with EVERYTHING. Wasn't it supposed to be late June before they have another hearing in the civil case to compel the grandparents to answer the questions?

 

[MAMABEAR]

Thanks QB---I didn't member that. Guess I was jumpin the gun on the civil case. Everythang is goin to slow for me to. Rubbin up on yet another weekend without any meat here. We need something to chew on. LOL

 

[zoomom]

I think the attorney's for ZG are doing a great job.:clap:

They are trying to get to the real truth here.:woohoo::woohoo:

The A's have lied so much during this entire saga, that needs to be stopped, they want to blame someone else for the murder of that poor baby Caylee.:behindbar

They should have kept their lying conniving mouth shut! Hope they are both charged with Obstruction

Yeah. What you said.

 

[kwmred]

I'm surprised that Sawgrass isn't filing its own suit against KC. I'm sure their reputation has been damaged by her lies as well.

 

[SoSueMe]

I don't see why Sawgrass would be brought into the ZFG lawsuit. Even if someone leaked the information about ZFG looking at an apartment, has a law been broken? Is there some law or rule for rental properties that all applicants must be kept confidential? I mean, I can understand if that is the case.

As far as Sawgrass filing a lawsuit, what damages would they have? ZFG didn't actually live there so there was no kidnapping on their property.

I'm just trying to sort out whether either of these options are viable? In other words, would Sawgrass have reason to join in the lawsuit or to have a lawsuit brought against them?

I don't see either one happening, but I don't know.

 

[SoSueMe]

Prego, as many have said, I think the civil case has allowed both sides to see what type of witnesses they can expect at the criminal trial. They can see if they are believeable, nervous, hostile (gee, I wonder who that might be), etc.

I do think the defense gained a huge advantage during CA's deposition. If they want to go for some type of mental or personality disorder defense in the penalty phase, Cindy made their case for them. I know that is ugly, but I truly think she did not do well by losing her temper and acting so bizarre. You know, the apple, the tree and all.

 

[kwmred]

I don't see why Sawgrass would be brought into the ZFG lawsuit. Even if someone leaked the information about ZFG looking at an apartment, has a law been broken? Is there some law or rule for rental properties that all applicants must be kept confidential? I mean, I can understand if that is the case.

As far as Sawgrass filing a lawsuit, what damages would they have? ZFG didn't actually live there so there was no kidnapping on their property.

I'm just trying to sort out whether either of these options are viable? In other words, would Sawgrass have reason to join in the lawsuit or to have a lawsuit brought against them?

I don't see either one happening, but I don't know.

Bolded by me. For quite a while KC's story was that her child was abducted from Sawgrass Apartments. That was the story in the news for a long time. Not everyone sits on true crime forums and picks these stories apart. The average person with a child/children would think twice about renting an apartment in a complex where a child was said to have been abducted.

 

[kaRN]

Thanks QB---I didn't member that. Guess I was jumpin the gun on the civil case. Everythang is goin to slow for me to. Rubbin up on yet another weekend without any meat here. We need something to chew on. LOL

Firstly ITA. They can't convict soon enough for me. But MB, I take great comfort in the idea of the party animal confined to a 6x8 cage, wearing prison gear, using the toilet in public while all the friends she used to have, enjoy their youth. When I take myself to that happy place, the wait is almost enjoyable.