ZG Hires Attorney - Lawsuit Against Casey Anthony Part 2

[5stars]

Can't sleep and began thinking about all this ZFG stuff. KC was arrested June 16. A CZG visited Sawgrass on June 17. Despite everything else that is wrong, how is this KC's fault? I've been swept up in the case and so much has happened.

Why is KC responsible for this particular happenstance? She never accused this particular woman right?

Please don't answer with loaded emotion. I want to understand from a legal standpoint why this is KC's problem. Why she would have to clear a person that she never accused?

Casey was arrested july 16th.Knew she had ny plates on car.Used the two childrens names when she was on her trip out of town with zfg.She must have seen the guest card at s.apt.

 

[Meagain]

Woe - She DID accuse this particular woman. She gave specific information on her car. Silver Ford Focus looking car, described the NY plates, described the no-tint, and childseats in the car, etc. etc. In addition to everything else above.

Cindy/George seem to ignore all this. This lawsuit is SO valid and appropriate. Despite what Cindy wants to spin to the media.

 

[carrie]

In the hearing about the state releasing the pictures of Caylee's skull didn't the SAs SAY Baez had received $200,000 plus already from picture and video sales?

The fear that Baez would ALSO sell Caylee's skull pictures to assist in paying for Casey's defense team was the SA's reason for limiting how Baez could get the skull pictures.

But what I'm saying is that Baez receiving money, or, Baez receiving money on behalf of KC, is not the same thing as th A's (George and Cindy) receiving money.

 

[LancelotLink]

Maybe I need glasses, but the Sawgrass card appears to have been filled out by HG. Also, the C looks to me like a G, like he was beginning to write her last name first.

 

[ibyoungr]

There was another ZG discussed here on the boards early on. A ZG that worked at UCF and lived in Brevard Co.

SHE ALSO WAS INTERVIEWED by police. The ZG that is suing IS NOT THE ONLY ONE police interviewed. (I just want to clear up this misconception.)

Attached you will see where the police went to interview her, she was expecting a police visit and she states where the news channels had contacted her.

What is the difference from this ZG and the ZG that is suing?

The difference is: The ZG that is suing decided to do a TV interview and put her face out into the public.

I know this is not a popular opinion but... I will stand behind the fact that if this civil suit was taking place AFTER the trial for murder the ZG that is suing would not have a case.

Could someone please direct me to the exact links and videos where Casey states that ZG drove a Ford focus and the children in the car (coming back from Tampa) are the same name as the children's name of the ZG that is suing?

I want to see where Casey said this.. not LP said Casey said..

 

[amethyst221]

There is no rule that a person can't file a civil suit against someone who is involved in a pending criminal matter. So maybe your complaint is really with the judge, who refused to grant the motion by the defense seeking to delay the whole case. I think another motion is pending, so maybe if the judge feels an injustice is being done, he will grant it. I think it focuses on discovery from Casey A, who is the one whose 5th amendment rights are at issue.

 

[Jolynna]

Can't sleep and began thinking about all this ZFG stuff. KC was arrested June 16. A CZG visited Sawgrass on June 17. Despite everything else that is wrong, how is this KC's fault? I've been swept up in the case and so much has happened.

Why is KC responsible for this particular happenstance? She never accused this particular woman right?

Please don't answer with loaded emotion. I want to understand from a legal standpoint why this is KC's problem. Why she would have to clear a person that she never accused?

The RESULT of Casey's lie harmed an innocent.

There was ENOUGH information in common with the ZFG kidnapper Casey described AND the ZG who filed the lawsuit that people found the latter's myspace. They posted it on blogs and linked to it on forums. People were turning in information about the myspace ZG to LE in droves. Even Lee said in his deposition that HE was getting tips and e-mails about THIS ZG.

I personally saw a LOT of accusations and not very nice stuff written about the ZG who is filing the lawsuit online. I can only imagine what this woman's life in real life was like.

Cindy HAD a chance to clear the ZG who filed the lawsuit nationally. Instead Cindy implied this ZG was still a suspect. She chose NOT to say that LE had cleared THIS ZG.

Casey had had a chance to tell her mother this wasn't the right ZG. She didn't. She lied and said she'd never been shown a picture lineup.

Without a lawyer by her side and a lawsuit in the works, I'd say THIS ZG could easily have been targeted by Casey's defense team and her family.

In her shoes, I'd have an attorney in a heartbeat and I'd be asking for more than $15K just for the headache.

It isn't as if this ZG will ever see a dime of money. She is more than entitled to be assured of NO more harrassment or fingerpointing.

 

[flyonsweetangel]

It appears to me that ZG and her attorneys are advocates of Caylee because they are standing up to this circus of weirdos.....

 

[Spangle]

There was another ZG discussed here on the boards early on. A ZG that worked at UCF and lived in Brevard Co.

SHE ALSO WAS INTERVIEWED by police. The ZG that is suing IS NOT THE ONLY ONE police interviewed. (I just want to clear up this misconception.)

Attached you will see where the police went to interview her, she was expecting a police visit and she states where the news channels had contacted her.

What is the difference from this ZG and the ZG that is suing?

The difference is: The ZG that is suing decided to do a TV interview and put her face out into the public.

I know this is not a popular opinion but... I will stand behind the fact that if this civil suit was taking place AFTER the trial for murder the ZG that is suing would not have a case.

Could someone please direct me to the exact links and videos where Casey states that ZG drove a Ford focus and the children in the car (coming back from Tampa) are the same name as the children's name of the ZG that is suing?

I want to see where Casey said this.. not LP said Casey said..

I'm rather surprised. You have been here since Aug and haven't seen that info? Her family also helped spread the word on the Nanny. You might want to check that direction as well.

As for your other question about the difference from this one to the other one. It's been explained many times. But maybe this will help. My husband has a very, very common first and last name. The things that folks have done, with the same name as him is scary. There are warrants out in his name. Just they are not for him.

How do I and the cops know?? Each on of those persons have other flags that don't match up with him. Physical descriptions (wither it be race, eyes,hair, etc) age, location, children, WIFE, car, tats, etc, to just name a simple few.

More then just a name was known about this woman. Out of all the women found, this one had the most red flags raised that shows matches. That cause a deeper search trying to find more matches.

Since it wasn't just the LE doing the searching, but folks like us and other web junkies, it didn't take long for the public to really know about this woman. And for those that ran into her face to face, knew it was "her" that everyone was talking about as being a possiblity. Folks were even boldly saying to her face that she should give that baby back. THAT is why she lost her job.

You see, the name is just a starting point. There are lots of folks with the same name. As you mentioned. The LE interviewed that women to see if anything else might match up. Most likely they checked out several women with that name.

When trying to figure out who the Nanny was, the LE was interviewing everyone and asking them for what KC said about the Nanny. Trying to find clues. Some of what has been used to pin point this woman, came from such interviews. Casey's has never denied these descriptions. The information was flowing, in an attempt to find an ALIVE baby. Family and friends were helping the best they could by telling what they knew about this person whom Casey claims took the baby.

 

[LancelotLink]

Can't sleep and began thinking about all this ZFG stuff. KC was arrested June 16. A CZG visited Sawgrass on June 17. Despite everything else that is wrong, how is this KC's fault? I've been swept up in the case and so much has happened.

Why is KC responsible for this particular happenstance? She never accused this particular woman right?

Please don't answer with loaded emotion. I want to understand from a legal standpoint why this is KC's problem. Why she would have to clear a person that she never accused?

KC was not arrested June 16.

 

[Theonly1]

When Mr. Morgan raised his voice near the end and shouted (?) yes or no..the way you like it.....
that was just a glimpse of what we will see during the civil trial.
John Morgan was taking all the theatrics from both George and Cindy because John's day is coming. He is going to cut them to shreds.
They will rue the day they behaved in the way we all saw.
I can see it...
I can see it...
I cannot wait....G&C will not know what hit them....and it will keep hitting them...over and over and over.
You go mad john.
JMO naturally

and boy oh boy...Conway better think about preparing them for Big John at High Noon !!

I have to say that I LOVED the "YES or NO, the way YOU LIKE IT!" confrontation. Why? Because Cindy kept going on about not being able to answer a simple "yes" or "no". Finally, when JMorgan posed a question to her which could easily be answered with a "yes" or "no" she stumbled around trying to answer it. She finally gave him what he wanted on a silver platter.

Heh.

 

[Theonly1]

The RESULT of Casey's lie harmed an innocent.

There was ENOUGH information in common with the ZFG kidnapper Casey described AND the ZG who filed the lawsuit that people found the latter's myspace. They posted it on blogs and linked to it on forums. People were turning in information about the myspace ZG to LE in droves. Even Lee said in his deposition that HE was getting tips and e-mails about THIS ZG.

I personally saw a LOT of accusations and not very nice stuff written about the ZG who is filing the lawsuit online. I can only imagine what this woman's life in real life was like.

Cindy HAD a chance to clear the ZG who filed the lawsuit nationally. Instead Cindy implied this ZG was still a suspect. She chose NOT to say that LE had cleared THIS ZG.

Casey had had a chance to tell her mother this wasn't the right ZG. She didn't. She lied and said she'd never been shown a picture lineup.

Without a lawyer by her side and a lawsuit in the works, I'd say THIS ZG could easily have been targeted by Casey's defense team and her family.

In her shoes, I'd have an attorney in a heartbeat and I'd be asking for more than $15K just for the headache.

It isn't as if this ZG will ever see a dime of money. She is more than entitled to be assured of NO more harrassment or fingerpointing.

I was one of the folks hoping Zenaida would get an attorney before she got one and was over the moon that she picked Morgan and Morgan.

I really feel for Zenaida. Here she is in this ****ty Orlando economy with a whole truckload of kids, divorcing her husband (or thinking about it), and trying to get an apartment at Sawgrass (which is not upscale, let me be kind). She's was either working or trying to work. Who knows how Casey cooked up the ZFG alibi (if it was a combination of Myspace/Facebook people, Orlando internet searches, and coupled "Fernandez" to the name to make it seem more authentic and harder for the PoPo and because Caylee's bones were near a house with a Fernandez and another with a Gonzales).

But here's little Zenaida trying to get by, trying to get an apartment, trying to work and then POW she gets a call from LE that someone with her name is a suspect (or needs to be questioned) in a kidnapping of some Orlando child. Zenaida is interviewed and likely says, "Look I have 5 or 6 kids. I don't need another one! I have never seen this Casey and I've never seen this Caylee." Zenaida drives a car like Casey later says ZFG drove, and Zenaida also had New York license plates (like Casey said too in the Blanchard Park Revision). Casey also said Zenaida lived at Sawgrass (where this Zenaida was looking to rent). So, then the Orlando news hits like wildfire with the Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzales as the baby stealer! I mean, newscast after newscast with everyone (including the family) talking about it. Zenaida's myspace gets comments after comments. Apparently she loses a job because of the drama. Let me tell you, I would not have wanted to be Zenaida Gonzales for the world (in Orlando) last year. Can you imagine trying to get a job interview with that name on everyone's lips as a possibly baby stealer? It's hard enough to get a job (I know it!). Plus, she doesn't seem to be the most educated lady on the planet (I could be wrong). It's one thing if you have a similar name and you have your Doctorate degree and another when you maybe just finished high school. Companies will always take the easiest route in hiring.

So poor Zenaida lives out of a friggin' motel. Who knows how she's paying for her rent. When she was interviewed by the local news she was always in a cheap motel and it was pitiful. And interviews smearing her name kept being given up until the point JMorgan took her on as a client. I cheered because at least that was going to SHUT PEOPLE'S TRAPS about THAT Zenaida once she had representation. Had she not gotten representation and not had an airtight alibi she's probably still be getting investigated by certain parties. Of this I have no doubt...

Further, when you file a civil lawsuit, you give a range on the monetary amount. Certain amounts go to small claims court (like less than $5,000.00) and amounts over $15,000.00 go to another section of the court. I think (and I could be wrong) that Zenaida's minimum is $15,000.00. A jury could award more and then you tag on PUNITIVE damages (meant to punish wrongdoer and insure they don't do it again).

Apparently, Casey was shown a picture of THIS ZENAIDA (or maybe more than one picture) and Casey denied it was her. However, the damage was done. THEN, when Casey met with Cindy at the jail Casey apparently or allegedly told Cindy that she DID NOT CLEAR any Zenaida or THAT ZENAIDA. So, we have the public which had been told, "Zenaida has been cleared". But THEN Cindy marches outside and says, "Casey said she did not see the pictures and did not clear a Kissimmee Zenaida" [paraphrased]. Well, this in my opinion, reopened the suspicion to the Zenaida in question. And in my opinion, this was a BAD MOVE on Cindy's part. The media was putting the mic in Cindy's face and she just blasted out that Casey had not cleared her...which the document dump seems to show that she had.

Then finally, now that the suit has been filed, Casey still has not gone on record to say, "THIS IS NOT THE ZENAIDA I CLAIM BABYSAT MY CHILD." Since Casey has not done that, it does not matter that George and Cindy sit up there and say, "I CLEAR HER" because well, they never saw her in the first place. Comprende? How can you really clear someone you never saw?

So, CASEY needs to clear this Zenaida. Period. And Cindy and George need to answer Morgan and Mitnick's questions. Period. It is Morgan and Mitnick's job to not only show that THIS ZENAIDA was slandered and libeled but if they can prove CASEY DID IT then it proves ZENAIDA did not.

 

[amethyst221]

Interesting stories on the news today about a woman with the same name (and some shared characteristics) as the suspected killer of Sandra Cantu coming under attack. People found her page on MySpace, thought she was the killer, etc. Hate mail, threats, put her photo on the internet claiming she is the killer, etc. It doesn't pay to be identified as a child killer.

 

[ibyoungr]

Interesting stories on the news today about a woman with the same name (and some shared characteristics) as the suspected killer of Sandra Cantu coming under attack. People found her page on MySpace, thought she was the killer, etc. Hate mail, threats, put her photo on the internet claiming she is the killer, etc. It doesn't pay to be identified as a child killer.

This is why I have a problem with arm chair detectives.. pulling up MySpace pages and speculating and then calling it sleuthing. This is why I have a problem with MySpace and Facepages -especially not private ones.

I am sure her life will be ruined for a little while... but who should she sue?

As my siggie says "Fine line between being a busybody and a sleuth." A good sleuth would get further evidence and ruling it out before GOSSIPING about POSSIBILITIES.

I think we should all be careful when we go out and pull in people's MySpace pages.. we are the very ones that could cause a lot of damage.

The first time I seen the ZG page here last fall.. I took one look and thought.. that is not the ZG that they described and dismissed it. However, I think in our zealousness to "find the killer" we could do serious damage to this innocent people ourselves.

 

[The World According]

The RESULT of Casey's lie harmed an innocent.

There was ENOUGH information in common with the ZFG kidnapper Casey described AND the ZG who filed the lawsuit that people found the latter's myspace. They posted it on blogs and linked to it on forums. People were turning in information about the myspace ZG to LE in droves. Even Lee said in his deposition that HE was getting tips and e-mails about THIS ZG.

I personally saw a LOT of accusations and not very nice stuff written about the ZG who is filing the lawsuit online. I can only imagine what this woman's life in real life was like.

Cindy HAD a chance to clear the ZG who filed the lawsuit nationally. Instead Cindy implied this ZG was still a suspect. She chose NOT to say that LE had cleared THIS ZG.

Casey had had a chance to tell her mother this wasn't the right ZG. She didn't. She lied and said she'd never been shown a picture lineup.

Without a lawyer by her side and a lawsuit in the works, I'd say THIS ZG could easily have been targeted by Casey's defense team and her family.

In her shoes, I'd have an attorney in a heartbeat and I'd be asking for more than $15K just for the headache.

It isn't as if this ZG will ever see a dime of money. She is more than entitled to be assured of NO more harrassment or fingerpointing.

KC's friend was moving out of Sawgrass apartments, on the very day that Z was there, le was told that the leasing agent came outside to run to catch Z before she pulled off because she forgot to sign her application (not the guest card that the la filled out in their hand). She had NY plates (her son's car). KC could have seen/overheard this exchange and noticed the NY plates. Yes, there are other ladies with that name, but this is the ONLY ONE QUESTIONED BY THE POLICE, THAT WAS AT SAWGRASS APARTMENTS, AND KC SAID SHE IS FROM NEW YORK). At any given time, any one in the family could have said to anyone of the reporters (Cindy said she couldn't sneeze without a camera in her face) that this particular lady who the news was interviewing in shadow, is indeed not THE ONE. At that time the discovery had not been released and the public didn't have the ability to read KC's physical description in her written statement. Did anyone notice that KC's description is different than the description Cindy was relaying in her deposition? Cindy said straight long black hair. Also she added new info that Zanny was Jeff's ex and a perfect 10. They are pulling a Bill Clinton splitting hairs about the difference between lineup/ a David pull up/ a printed photo. I think they started off telling the truth to the FBI and lost their way over these months (George , Cindy and Lee). George lied repeatedly in the deposition, easily provable lies if you watch his FBI and police interviews where he details the 2nd Blanchard Park story. At this point they may feel like they have nothing left to lose. If they believed that there was a person with this name that had their baby, they would have went door to door to each and every one of their addresses , or had DC and JH and Lee go. They never, ever went to one of them. That is the alpha and the omega. Lastly if Cindy had any address at any time she would have tore that entire house and garage apart trying to find it, she never looked. In the text messages you see that Amy and her room mates tore their apartment "inside out, all day long" and all she had lost was money (KC had stolen it). Imagine if you thought you had the address of where your kidnapper once lived, you would call every friend you ever had and ask everyone from the church to help you, you would go through every paper in your home to find that old address book. They never looked. They knew KC was lying. As hard , impossible as it is to admit publicly, they knew. George told the FBI, "If I have lost my granddaughter, I've lost my daughter". George had the decency to apologize to Z at the depo, she and her kids are literally HOMELESS, so yes she has been harmed and it would be impossible to measure how much.

 

[The World According]

I was one of the folks hoping Zenaida would get an attorney before she got one and was over the moon that she picked Morgan and Morgan.

I really feel for Zenaida. Here she is in this ****ty Orlando economy with a whole truckload of kids, divorcing her husband (or thinking about it), and trying to get an apartment at Sawgrass (which is not upscale, let me be kind). She's was either working or trying to work. Who knows how Casey cooked up the ZFG alibi (if it was a combination of Myspace/Facebook people, Orlando internet searches, and coupled "Fernandez" to the name to make it seem more authentic and harder for the PoPo and because Caylee's bones were near a house with a Fernandez and another with a Gonzales).

But here's little Zenaida trying to get by, trying to get an apartment, trying to work and then POW she gets a call from LE that someone with her name is a suspect (or needs to be questioned) in a kidnapping of some Orlando child. Zenaida is interviewed and likely says, "Look I have 5 or 6 kids. I don't need another one! I have never seen this Casey and I've never seen this Caylee." Zenaida drives a car like Casey later says ZFG drove, and Zenaida also had New York license plates (like Casey said too in the Blanchard Park Revision). Casey also said Zenaida lived at Sawgrass (where this Zenaida was looking to rent). So, then the Orlando news hits like wildfire with the Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzales as the baby stealer! I mean, newscast after newscast with everyone (including the family) talking about it. Zenaida's myspace gets comments after comments. Apparently she loses a job because of the drama. Let me tell you, I would not have wanted to be Zenaida Gonzales for the world (in Orlando) last year. Can you imagine trying to get a job interview with that name on everyone's lips as a possibly baby stealer? It's hard enough to get a job (I know it!). Plus, she doesn't seem to be the most educated lady on the planet (I could be wrong). It's one thing if you have a similar name and you have your Doctorate degree and another when you maybe just finished high school. Companies will always take the easiest route in hiring.

So poor Zenaida lives out of a friggin' motel. Who knows how she's paying for her rent. When she was interviewed by the local news she was always in a cheap motel and it was pitiful. And interviews smearing her name kept being given up until the point JMorgan took her on as a client. I cheered because at least that was going to SHUT PEOPLE'S TRAPS about THAT Zenaida once she had representation. Had she not gotten representation and not had an airtight alibi she's probably still be getting investigated by certain parties. Of this I have no doubt...

Further, when you file a civil lawsuit, you give a range on the monetary amount. Certain amounts go to small claims court (like less than $5,000.00) and amounts over $15,000.00 go to another section of the court. I think (and I could be wrong) that Zenaida's minimum is $15,000.00. A jury could award more and then you tag on PUNITIVE damages (meant to punish wrongdoer and insure they don't do it again).

Apparently, Casey was shown a picture of THIS ZENAIDA (or maybe more than one picture) and Casey denied it was her. However, the damage was done. THEN, when Casey met with Cindy at the jail Casey apparently or allegedly told Cindy that she DID NOT CLEAR any Zenaida or THAT ZENAIDA. So, we have the public which had been told, "Zenaida has been cleared". But THEN Cindy marches outside and says, "Casey said she did not see the pictures and did not clear a Kissimmee Zenaida" [paraphrased]. Well, this in my opinion, reopened the suspicion to the Zenaida in question. And in my opinion, this was a BAD MOVE on Cindy's part. The media was putting the mic in Cindy's face and she just blasted out that Casey had not cleared her...which the document dump seems to show that she had.

Then finally, now that the suit has been filed, Casey still has not gone on record to say, "THIS IS NOT THE ZENAIDA I CLAIM BABYSAT MY CHILD." Since Casey has not done that, it does not matter that George and Cindy sit up there and say, "I CLEAR HER" because well, they never saw her in the first place. Comprende? How can you really clear someone you never saw?

So, CASEY needs to clear this Zenaida. Period. And Cindy and George need to answer Morgan and Mitnick's questions. Period. It is Morgan and Mitnick's job to not only show that THIS ZENAIDA was slandered and libeled but if they can prove CASEY DID IT then it proves ZENAIDA did not.

I am curios about Brad's seeming poor understanding of the wide latitude they have in a civil suit. He has said publicly that he is working Pro Bono, but I do think he is trying. Does anyone know his experience level, or could it be that he explained to them over and over again what to be prepared for and like all things, they blotted it out? They both seemed to be indignant believing that the lawyers were way out of bounds and they were kind to be bothered to even stop by to answer any of these ridiculous questions. They kept saying, "That is not relevant", as if no one had explained to them the lawyers could and WOULD be trying to prove who did it, to clear the possibility that their client did it. Do you think they were playing dumb or they never understood the nature of the civil suit rules and regulations? I think a jury will award Miss Gonzales a lot of money because they know that the Anthony family has already made a book, mini series and movie deal and there will indeed be money there (even though the checks wont be payable to KC, there will be checks written , much the way checks were written in a round about way to OJ for his book If I Did It, right?) I have one question. Can anyone help me know exactly what Richard Grund said regarding the time he told KC he/his younger son could no longer care for the baby all day, she told him not to worry she had a friend who was going to start babysitting. I hope I am remembering incorrectly, but did he say , that at that time (years ago) KC said her name was Zenida Fernandez Gonzalez? She went on to tell him a lot of details about Jeff, the playmate the baby would have, etc. etc. DOES ANYONE HAVE A LINK TO HIS POLICE INTERVIEW WHERE HE DETAILS THIS CONVERSATION WITH KC? Are Z's lawyers going to file suit against Cindy now too, just to make sure they can indeed attach a lien to any profits she makes off the sale of this story, and since she is the one who "published the defamation" knowing it to be a lie,now that she has admitted she knew KC was lying?

 

[Americka]

Can anyone help me know exactly what Richard Grund said regarding the time he told KC he/his younger son could no longer care for the baby all day, she told him not to worry she had a friend who was going to start babysitting. I hope I am remembering incorrectly, but did he say , that at that time (years ago) KC said her name was Zenida Fernandez Gonzalez? She went on to tell him a lot of details about Jeff, the playmate the baby would have, etc. etc. DOES ANYONE HAVE A LINK TO HIS POLICE INTERVIEW WHERE HE DETAILS THIS CONVERSATION WITH KC? Are Z's lawyers going to file suit against Cindy now too, just to make sure they can indeed attach a lien to any profits she makes off the sale of this story, and since she is the one who "published the defamation" knowing it to be a lie,now that she has admitted she knew KC was lying?

I believe this is the interview you are looking for: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Grund, Richard-0905.pdf. The following information was found on pages 7 & 8.


“Yeah (affirmative), I’ve got that worked out,” “Oh, yeah (affirmative), I found this lady uh, Zenaida Gonzalez and she, she watches my
friend Jeffrey Hopkins son Zachery. And Zachery and Caylee play together and they, they love to be together. So this’ll work out great.” I’m thinking, “Wow that’s a whole lot more information than I really needed.” And by this point I picked up that Casey likes to tell stories. Uhm, we started to all pick up that Casey had a little problem with exaggeration.

 

[The World According]

I believe this is the interview you are looking for: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Grund, Richard-0905.pdf. The following information was found on pages 7 & 8.


“Yeah (affirmative), I’ve got that worked out,” “Oh, yeah (affirmative), I found this lady uh, Zenaida Gonzalez and she, she watches my
friend Jeffrey Hopkins son Zachery. And Zachery and Caylee play together and they, they love to be together. So this’ll work out great.” I’m thinking, “Wow that’s a whole lot more information than I really needed.” And by this point I picked up that Casey likes to tell stories. Uhm, we started to all pick up that Casey had a little problem with exaggeration.

Thank you for finding the Richard Grund police interview. Now I don't know what to think, unless he is remembering the name she gave him as her new babysitter wrong, (like Jesse realizing he may have been incorrect thinking he overheard Caylee in the background on the telephone the time he talked to Casey), this is not good for the case that she used this name since 2006 Zenida Gonzalez. I am really curious to heart what all of you think about this. Of course we all know a gorgeous young woman, a perfect 10, is likely not a babysitter for a living, and we all know no Jeff or any other man that doesn't believe he is KC's only man is going to pay for her to have a nanny. With her spending, nights, weekends even weeks at a man's home, there is no way she had any man fooled into being a sugar daddy, unless he couldn't care less who else she had a sexual relationship with. She told Cindy that she and Jeff were to be moving in together and becoming a family, they and the two children, and that he had given her a Tiffany ring, yet she cannot produce a phone number for him. I believe this all to be made up to appease her mom who hated her dating Black guys and Hispanic guys. I can put that aside. I am concerned that she had this particular name Zenida Gonzalez, even as a lie, back in 2006 and if Revrand Grund testifies to that, will that help the defense?

 

[Americka]

Thank you for finding the Richard Grund police interview. Now I don't know what to think, unless he is remembering the name she gave him as her new babysitter wrong, (like Jesse realizing he may have been incorrect thinking he overheard Caylee in the background on the telephone the time he talked to Casey), this is not good for the case that she used this name since 2006 Zenida Gonzalez. I can put that aside. I am concerned that she had this particular name Zenida Gonzalez, even as a lie, back in 2006 and if Revrand Grund testifies to that, will that help the defense?

*respectfully snipped*

You are quite welcome! I find it unusual that Rev. Grund heard the name in 2006, but her own father stated in the deposition (p 9) that he had not heard the name Zenaida Gonzalez until July 2008 when Caylee came up "missing." I am trying not to generalize, but in "normal" family dynamics, I would think her father would have heard this name long before her fiance's father. Or am I reaching too far? :trout:

 

[The World According]

What no takers?

This theory of Casey seeing ZG I believe may have started here at WS. LP went on NG with it. Now it is cemented in everyone's mind that this is how she heard the name ZG.
I would like to find out using the ping records and police interviews regarding the 17th... what time ZG was at SG and what time do you think Casey was there do survelliance... why do you think Casey was doing survelliance (backed up by evidence) and how long she was there based upon ping records.

Can anyone that thinks Casey seen ZG at Sawgrass show me EVIDENCE that proves that she was there. I do not care about how big a coinky dinky this is.

According to Richard Grund's sworn police interview, KC gave him this entire Zenaida Gonzalez is my new babysitter story way back in 2006. If Reverand Grund is correct, I don't know what the heck to think. He also remembers her adding in the Jeff Hopkins, with Zack, (son) for the baby to play with specific details. What in the world? That may get her out of the civil trial, but certainly all the evidence in the criminal trial makes it irrelevant how long she has used this lie of a babysitter.