ZG Hires Attorney - Lawsuit Against Casey Anthony

[nancy botwin]

But there is a reason people couldn't or can't accept it and that reason is KC.
Remember KC led us to believe that she couldn't speak freely or Caylee would be harmed. I know I was highly suspicious of this ZG because KC named her, then said it wasn't her and then basically said I couldn't tell you if it was her anyway because she may hurt Caylee. She left far too much guess work in the mix even after she said it wasn't THAT ZG. I was even more unsure after KC said it wasn't her. Is that my fault? No, it is KC's fault. The public has been left with nothing but confusion with regards to ZG and this case. So to simply say that she was cleared by LE is not enough.

Moreover, it can also be argued that this was the ZG that KC had in mind when she made up her story. Perhaps this ZG was just the inspiration for the mythical ZG. I actually think that she was in some roundabout way. There is a connection, but we don;t know what it is.

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I tried to type something like this 3 times and failed. This is the perfect, and IMO, correct interpretation.

 

[Brini]

There was no coincidence about it !!! These are facts

1. KC names ZG
2. KC puts ZG at Sawgrass Apts. around the time Caylee went missing
3. KC states ZG is of mixed nationality Father BL / Mother PR
4. KC states ZG has ties to NY , TX , PR
5. KC states ZG drives a silver car
6. KC states ZG wears her hair both straight & curly

Like I said Unless Sawgrass Apts. Is where the ZG convention is held

Thanks, Irish!

 

[Tate]

I don't know-- I think the public policy reasoning behind defamation law is to protect innocent people from others intentionally damaging their reputation. Casey didn't pull a Diane Downs and accuse a "bushy haired stranger," she chose an actual name which would obviously correlate to a real person. And she accused the person of that name of a crime. I think it's in the interest of justice to punish such false accusations as defamatory. I don't know if ZG will win, but I do think she has a fighting chance. -- Especially if it can be proven that Casey saw the actual ZG's card at the Sawgrass office (which I bet she did-- but that's just my guess.)

Thank you for the Diane Downs comparison. I noted that months ago on one of the WS threads. This case is eerily similar in a lot of ways...

 

[Ezryder9]

NEWS FLASH! NEWS FLASH! I always fear this will happen when I'm deeply entrenched in a thread. More docs are available in the jury room. REAL docs! And they were put in the jury room for a reason. <wink> <wink> I hope this doesn't crash this thread, but hey, I'm taking my chances. And dear, sweet mods, please forgive this o/t post.

 

[Brini]

You're right Chilly. But (and you had to know one of those was coming, right?) when you speak about someone in a defamatory manner, a manner that prevents them from quietly pursuing their life, a manner which casts doubt on a person (and I don't believe LE even has to be involved), a manner that covers a person in a cloud, it is grounds for a law suit. I think Z is entitled to whatever monetary judgment a court of law sees fit to award her, so she can try and get her life back on track. Was she working before all this happened? I don't remember. Does it really matter? She's having troubles now. And exactly what jobs have been offered to her? I don't remember hearing them.

slander: n., v. words falsely spoken that damage the reputation of another

 

[JBean]

NEWS FLASH! NEWS FLASH! I always fear this will happen when I'm deeply entrenched in a thread. More docs are available in the jury room. REAL docs! And they were put in the jury room for a reason. <wink> <wink> I hope this doesn't crash this thread, but hey, I'm taking my chances. And dear, sweet mods, please forgive this o/t post.

No Discussion in there shhhhhhh.
They have been working really hard on them. Musikman, georgiaPI, Adnoid.

 

[Brini]

I agree, it can all be traced back to Casey in that Casey used the name ZG, but Casey also said she was not THE ZFG. LE said she was not involved. Let's say there is a real ZFG who did take Caylee, should Casey not have been able to give the name ZFG to LE in case some other person had a similar name?

If I say a guy named Fred Flintstone stole my car and LE shows me pictures of a dozen guys named Fred Flintstone, should I expect to be sued by the eleven guys I say are not the thief?

If you said that it was the Fred at the Sawgrass, a "reasonable man," as defined by the law, would assume it was THAT Fred, and Fred suffered loss of reputation, yes, you could be sued.

 

[Chilly Willy]

But there is a reason people couldn't or can't accept it and that reason is KC.
Remember KC led us to believe that she couldn't speak freely or Caylee would be harmed. I know I was highly suspicious of this ZG because KC named her, then said it wasn't her and then basically said I couldn't tell you if it was her anyway because she may hurt Caylee. She left far too much guess work in the mix even after she said it wasn't THAT ZG. I was even more unsure after KC said it wasn't her. Is that my fault? No, it is KC's fault. The public has been left with nothing but confusion with regards to ZG and this case. So to simply say that she was cleared by LE is not enough.

Moreover, it can also be argued that this was the ZG that KC had in mind when she made up her story. Perhaps this ZG was just the inspiration for the mythical ZG. I actually think that she was in some roundabout way. There is a connection, but we don;t know what it is.

Perhaps you've explained why I see it differently than the way the majority of the people here seem to see it. I never entertained the thought that ZG was involved and didn't give Casey's kidnapping stories the least bit of consideration. As far as I was concerned, LE cleared ZG, Casey said it wasn't her, there was no reason, unless new information came to light, to believe she was anything other than just the wrong person in the wrong place at the wrong time. I felt bad for her, just as I do for all the other innocent parties in this case who have had their lives dissected and suspicion cast upon them by bloggers, but I don't feel Casey is responsible for that either. Casey is responsible for lying to the police, for filing a false report, for child neglect, for murder most likely, for all of the financial charges against her, but she's not responsible for what other people choose to believe even after they've been officially told otherwise, or how they behave as a result of those beliefs. Heaven help us all if someone like Casey has that much power.

 

[Brini]

Again, the intrusion in her life is all because of Casey, regardless of LE clearing her name...

Yes. She is having these problems because KC told LE that the ZG at the Sawgrass stole her child. Period.

That's where the blame belongs, and she has a right to seek a legal remedy.

 

[Brini]

I concur. Going the pro se route will work, imo, but setting damages to someone that was already unemployed is not that easy. Oddly, I would swear that I heard Zanny was 26, this woman is 37.. anyone?

Many people do not remember the details of the case, like we do. All they remember is ZG at the Sawgrass.

 

[Ezryder9]

No Discussion in there shhhhhhh.
They have been working really hard on them. Musikman, georgiaPI, Adnoid.

<hanging her head> sorry! j/k! I've been waiting for these since early yesterday afternoon. And I soooooo love the 3 of them for what they've done! Not another peep outta me about them, though! :blowkiss:

 

[Brini]

Neither Casey nor the A's spoke about ZG in a defamatory manner. They all made it clear that it was NOT this person they were speaking about.

And, what is the reasonable man test, again? The average person remembers ZG at the Sawgrass. They do not necessarily notice the details of the case.

 

[JBean]

<hanging her head> sorry! j/k! I've been waiting for these since early yesterday afternoon. And I soooooo love the 3 of them for what they've done! Not another peep outta me about them, though! :blowkiss:

no I mean no discussion once you are in that thread.!:blowkiss:

 

[Ezryder9]

Perhaps you've explained why I see it differently than the way the majority of the people here seem to see it. I never entertained the thought that ZG was involved and didn't give Casey's kidnapping stories the least bit of consideration. As far as I was concerned, LE cleared ZG, Casey said it wasn't her, there was no reason, unless new information came to light, to believe she was anything other than that she was just the wrong person in the wrong place at the wrong time. I felt bad for her, just as I do for all the other innocent parties in this case who have had their lives dissected and suspicion cast upon them by bloggers, but I don't feel Casey is responsible for that either. Casey is responsible for lying to the police, for filing a false report, for child neglect, for murder most likely, for all of the financial charges against her, but she's not responsible for what other people choose to believe even after they've been officially told otherwise, or how they behave as a result of those beliefs. Heaven help us all if someone like Casey has that much power.

Chilly, dear, please re-read your post. You've pretty much hit the nail on the head (put DOWN Cindy's hammer) as to why ZG will, IMO, prevail. Again, think the unringing of the bell and stopping the snowball. I think what's sticking in people's minds are KC's first statements, not later when she recants. And heaven knows there's not a single entity out there that control what's being said on the internet. If the words weren't spoken in the first place, regardless of whether KC said Z, ZG, or ZFG, they were spoken and the rest followed. That is, in our litigious society, the nature of the beast.

 

[Brini]

No, I did not see the my space - figured it was not my business to delve into ZG's life. After learning how many names Casey made up based on the names of people she went to school with and that there was a girl named Zanaida at Casey's school, I can believe it was a coincidence that she came up with that particular name. What sense does it make to use the name of someone she knew looked at the model apartment and that left a phone number where they could be reached by LE? How would Casey even have access to that information?

How does she get into other people's bank accounts? KC is a very practiced identity thief.

She is also often on MySpace.

Moreover, she has friends who live in an apartment very near to #210.

That's three possibilities. The fact is that she came up with enough details to convince people that this poor woman was involved.

And, the media cannot be blamed. Whenever there is a kidnapping, all of the known details are broadcast widely. KC knew this.

All of the As have been braying, "Get off your azzes and find Zanny! Find Caylee!" Well, that's exactly what people are trying to do.

 

[Brini]

Can you share one derogatory comment that either Casey or the A's have made against ZG? Not against the non-existent ZFG, but against the ZG who is suing Case.

Yes. The ZG who was at the Sawgrass committed a crime.

 

[Tate]

Chilly, dear, please re-read your post. You've pretty much hit the nail on the head (put DOWN Cindy's hammer) as to why ZG will, IMO, prevail. Again, think the unringing of the bell and stopping the snowball. I think what's sticking in people's minds are KC's first statements, not later when she recants. And heaven knows there's not a single entity out there that control what's being said on the internet. If the words weren't spoken in the first place, regardless of whether KC said Z, ZG, or ZFG, they were spoken and the rest followed. That is, in our litigious society, the nature of the beast.

I am in complete awe... Will you defend me if I ever get into trouble? :smiliescale:

 

[Ezryder9]

no I mean no discussion once you are in that thread.!:blowkiss:

I knew exactly what you meant, my friend! (I read the thread!) And apparently you and I are the only ones discussing this o/t topic, so I'm gonna quit so I don't get my hand spanked. Trying to maintain my stellar reputation, as I defend Z to the n'th degree!

 

[Brini]

But the ZFG Casey named is not the same ZG that looked at the apartment, according to Casey. If she hadn't said that from the start I'd be inclined to believe that the real ZG has grounds for a law suit. In the case of the teacher accused of selling drugs and guns, what if some other guy with a similar name filed a suit because some members of the public confused the two and refused to believe he was not involved? If he did, would he file against the person who accused the teacher, or against the people who were harrassing him?

What if there really is a kidnapping ZFG? I'm kind of afraid that if I report a crime and someone has the same name I give police, I'll get sued.

There is no kidnapper. But that isn't the point.

KC said the ZG at Sawgrass did the deed. The lady who is suing is the ZG at the Sawgrass. KC has harmed her. She has a right to seek redress. And, quite a few people believe that she is involved, because of KC. NOT because of the bloggers. Not because of the media. Not because of LE-- because of KC.

If you report a crime and are truthful, chances are you will not be sued. That is, however, not the case here.

If you recklessly accuse someone falsely, and give enough details to make a specific innocent recognizable as the accused, yes, you will get into trouble. And, should.

 

[Ezryder9]

I am in complete awe... Will you defend me if I ever get into trouble? :smiliescale:

Absolutely, Tate, IF you promise to hire me a lawyer to defend me against the unauthorized practice of law! Maybe I'll pass myself off as your Cousin Vinnie?