Zizians linked to four murders in three states, January 2025

[Muddy K]

Catching up on this case, I'm not sure whether this article has been linked (I was able to read it before paywall kicked in).

It's about suicides that preceeded the murders (since, I assume, no one is talking about the murders).

JMO: People messing with their own minds...

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/ziz-rationalism-lasota-pasek-20323332.php

@Cedars thank you so much for linking to this article. I thought I'd read all of the SF Chronicle pieces about the Zizians, but I missed this one.

Any piece of in-depth reporting helps. I keep thinking about these young people and struggling to find the words to describe what I think I understand about them. (Though it may be a losing cause, since every one of them, dead or alive, were/are more intelligent than myself.)

Following: JMO

I just feel they were born out of a moment (decade) that presented academic/philosophical challenges that vastly outmatched/stressed their own personal challenges and left them profoundly anxious, grasping at straws, desperately world building, but nearly blind to their vulnerabilities and struggling to handle even ordinary problems like food and shelter.

Add to that the feeling like you're one of the ones who "know" and have finally find the others who also "know." That can create an iron bond, powerful sense of belonging.

I think there can be a fine line between tribes and cults. Between tribes and chosen famiy.

 

[Cedars]

( every one of them, dead or alive, were/are more intelligent than myself.)

I would say they appear to have an extreme lack of emotional intelligence and verbal intelligence - the ability to express meaningful ideas concisely. They have no understanding about how to get along with members of their own species or empathize with others, or even if it were ever 'smart' to kill people, they don't have most basic kind of intelligence that would help them get away with it (which Manson did have, though not all his followers).

JMO